let's bring in our legal guides, avery friedman and looking organizatioh, so dapper, richard herman, us from las vegas. gentlemen, i think we're going to save that for the end. explain why you're in that beautiful tux, avery. so we got the drum beat going. mean time let's talk about these leaks, richard. is this leak an indicator, perhaps, if it's coming from prosecutors even, is it an indicator that maybe there is not going to be an indictment so drip, drip, drip, leak out some of this information so it's a softer blow to the community in particular or how do you read this? >> could very well be, fred. these grand jury proceedings are supposed to be private. none of this information is supposed to be leaked. by the fact that it was leaked, the community has got to say what's going on with our government if things like this are being leaked when they're not supposed to be. but what's critical here, fred, is this, the officer testified at the grand jury for four hours. the forensics, if they're true and accurate, appear to corroborate their story and there were six eyewitnesses who als

i want to bring in our legal guys, avery friedman, ba civil rights attorney and law professor is in cleveland most recent case, there are two sides. the officer says jones did not get out of the car when ordered, that he reached into the backseat. but was this excessive force in your eyes? the way he used that device to shatter the window. and then he tased him in front of children. >> well, remember also, that deb, this is a seat belt stop. and the reality is that it's clearly excessive force. one of the standards is, does the behavior shock the conscience of the reasonable person? of course it does. the second issue is proportionality. this is a seat belt stop. and again, this wasn't instantaneous, it was 13 minutes. and i have to tell you something, if linda mahon and jamal jones wouldn't have filed this case on their own, i would have hitchhiked to hammond, indiana, to bring this suit. it is really objectively outrageous and the case is going to wind up going to a federal jury. >> and you look at the video. that is being filmed by a child in the backseat. and richard, you know, what's fas

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