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and by the way, of course, there is also that aviation engineer that was on board. i spoke to his family yesterday. of course, anyone with any kind of aviation expertise will be of particular interest and of high priority, john. i spoke to his father, his mother, who misses him terribly, his step sister, who is just 8 years old. and his father said, i have full confidence my son is not involved. if investigators want to speak to me and my family, they're welcome to. john? >> as you say, such a sensitive situation, a delicate balance there. one thing investigators can do to bring peace to these families is to investigate thoroughly and rule people out. at a minimum, we've got to hope that is what happens soon. saima mohsin for us in kuala lumpur following the investigation into the pilots, into the people on board. thank you so much. so, with no clear sign of what happened at this point to flight 370, really, it does seem nearly all possibilities remain on the table. that has to be very, very frustrating to the men and women from so many countries who are trying to l

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rule of flying is to navigate, aviate, then communicate.ire came on quickly, pilot responds course changes and passes out. >> we have the best aviation experts in the united states and in the world to answer all of those questions. if you want to send them you can send them. make sure you #370qs. and we will try to get your questions on the air tonight. the host of experts and myself will be doing that at the top of the hour. bill? >> all right, don. if you want the very best you got to get mary in your studio. >> mary will be in the studio tonight. she'll help answer some questions. >> we love this woman and her breadth of knowledge and thanks to keith our pilot friend as well. tune into don top of the hour. >>> coming up it's about the size of the continental united states. that is the area of ocean currently being searched for flight 370. seems like an impossible task. we're going to talk to a man who knows more about it than most. he helped find air france flies 447 in the middle of the atlantic and we'll meet him next. marge: you know,

i want to bring back aviation lawyer and pilot and aviation engineer arthur rosenberg. good to see you. so -- >> how are you, fredricka? >> based on the information we're getting from malaysian authorities, are you anxious to hear whether there was more to this message? all right, good night? or is it alarming or disturbing enough to you that it was just simply all right, good night, after the communication system was disabled? >> all right, good night, is a game changer in this investigation. so i think we just have to back up a little bit. we have a plane that took off from kuala lumpur in the middle of the night. the middle of the night is the least traveled time for airplanes, the least time that air traffic controllers are manning the stations. things are much more relaxed. 45 minutes into this flight we now know from the prime minister of malaysia that it was either the transponder or the acars system. i'm not sure which one, was turned often, and then you have a communication, which is, all right, good night. now, with all deference to mr. quest, i disagree with

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>> aviation can't stand a vacuum. boeing and the rest of the aviation community are not going to allow a cloud to be over an aircraft as ubiquitous as the 777. they are going to keep after this until they find it and solve it. >> lastly, sir, i know we want to avoid speculation, but you did work for the ntsb. what do you think is the most plausible theory at this point based on the information we have? >> the only thing you can do is you start to narrow the options. and frankly right now the options that are, you know, highest on the list, you've goat to look inside the cockpit. something happened to turn off that transponder and we don't know why. it could have been the flight crew. it could have been someone from outside the flight deck that entered the cockpit. i think that's got to be near the top. >> but you think based on what we know how a hume nl had something to do with this. >> you can't eliminate that. got to be near the top. >> peter goelz formerly of the ntsb, thanks for your expertise. >>> up next, the t

fox news aviation analyst former commercial jet pilot and airline instructor and fox news aviation panelistu back. the lack of a mayday call kathleen that is a point on which so many people want to give the pilot the benefit of the doubt. >> i don't find it unusual. from watching the news the past few days there is first you aviation to flight the airplane then you navigate. if you have time you communicate. it was so sudden they didn't have time to react to the call. >> how can you not have time to hit the button and say mayday? >> what would be interesting to find out ahead of time is if we could determine positionbly through air traffic control if there were earlier radio calls made i would be interested to know if we heard the captain's voice at all once they took off. the captain would be on the radio on the ground. if the captain was on the air when they were flying to beijing we hear the last call from the co pilot if there was an in-flight problem or emergency something like that in a crisis what a captain might say is you have the airplane i am going to work the problem. you have t

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in the world of aviation, they call this a red box item. checking list is in your gray matter. it is so critical that you have to memorize it. the first thing you do. this is called a cabin altitude issue. that means a decompression scenario. and bear in mine the environment that this might mean for the pilots. you have a sudden pop, explosion, whatever you might say. things are flying. you might have loss of lighting or power. you might lose your primary flight display. the screen you use to fly. you might be using little gauges. it is a very chaotic environment. and they say that flying is long hours of boredom punctuated by moments of stark terror. this is a stark terror moment. so obviously the oxygen masks go on first. that's number one. they drill it. you should be able to do in it two seconds. remember i was telling but the context. this is incredibly loud now. the most important thing. forget air traffic control, forget the back of the airplane, the pilot needs to be able to talk to the co-pilot. you're getting ahead of me. can you

and we have cnn aviation correspondent richard quest in the new york studio, and also aviation analysten. miles, if i could start with you, and this is something that we have asked of all of the aviation expert, because there have been doubts expressed in the past about pieces this large being possible of a plane to hit the water, and when you look at the satellite foephotos, to you does it look like a boeing 777? >> well, if you lay it in one area, and lay it gaiagainst the schematic of a boeing 777, it is hard to know what piece it is. if it is a stabilizer, it is tip to tip, the wing in the back part of the plane or the portion of the main wing section, a nd here we are two weeks later, and this aircraft is almost entirely aluminum, and only 10% carbon materials, and it is hard to imagine a piece of wing still floating two weeks later. and another thing that mitigates against this being a piece of the aircraft is that there is no other notsome nearby, and what you would see is seat cushions by the very least, and maybe the satellite does not allow this, but you don't see anything el

aviation experts tell nbc it looks quite routine. and while it's friday night here in new york and the eastern hemisphere, it's now morning on what is the 15th day of the search for flight 370. and the best leads are being pursued in that search off of australia's southwestern coast. that search, however, is not at full capacity right now. that's because one of the best pieces of machinery in this effort, an american p-8 poseidon plane is currently grounded for its routine maintenance. you may have heard about it. it's got to kind of technology that allows for a simultaneous search both under water and on the ocean surface. in all, there are six planes in the air for saturday's mission. most of them australian. three chinese planes are set to join the search today. and two more from japan will arrive by sunday local time, also coming from malaysia. chinese officials are sending four ships to help, but those are also a few days away. the royal australian navy joins the search on the water with a ship that is called the hmas success, w

none were asian, from the head of the civil aviation. more detail from one of these two from the inspector-general of police. overnight, it's tuesday afternoon. overnight from monday to tuesday we are getting reports coming out of the united states, and recently from police in thailand where the tickets are purchased, that they are starting to point the finger away from terrorism to human trafficking. that's what the police general said, this 19-year-old iranian man, was trying to immigrate to germany. he was travelling from a stolen passport from an austrian gentleman. it appears in this case that this was not anything tied to terrorism. we can probably assume because the two gentlemen were travelling together, that's going be the case with the second. we can't quirm it, they are not confirming it because the investigation is going on. >> absolutely. and the police representative again saying there that it is still too early to come to any conclusions. >> absolutely, yes, because there's a lot they need to go through. closed-circuit tel

aviation analyst and 77 pilot. plus pilot and aviation analyst miles o'brien. we'll start with mary first. mary, the significance of this new information? >> highly significant because it explains so many pieces that didn't fit together before. now if we have a scenario where something happened, the plane made a dramatic turn and dropped from 35,000 feet to 12,000 feet, this scenario would fit what a pilot would do in the event of a catastrophic onboard event such as a rapid decompression, a fire, and explosion. that's what you would have to do. desce descend. get down. turn around and try to get back to an airport that could accommodate an ailing plane. >> okay. mark wise -- i said mark wise. sorry for mispronouncing. >> we've had so much information and so much contradictory information coming out i caution jumping to any types of more conclusions at this point. we heard the plane went up to 45,000 feet then down to 25,000 feet. it made a left turn then made a right turn then made another left turn. there's a lot of conflicting information. but, you know, as

but it's important for aviation safety. because remember accidents like u.s. air and united's cases were uninvolved solved for four years. years into the case they were still blaming pilot suicide or one they theorized is the pilot may have had a seizure. well, the pilot had no history f seizures but theorized the pilot stamped on the -- by accident. so what we really need to find out. and it's a public service and what we do. we try to make things as safe as possible. we need to find those black boxes because if on the chance something was wrong with the plane, we have to know and the black boxes will tell us. the triple 7 has one of the most advanced black boxes ever. there are thousands of parameters, so many pieces of data on that black box, it's an absolute treasure trove of investigation for aviation safety, and we need it. host: to this point why steal a plane and crash it in the ocean? of course that's a question we don't know yet the answer "the washington post" has a depiction of what the black box looks like as we listen to -- mason, mason west west

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>> joining me, mike boyd, aviation analyst and aviation consultant for boyd group international.eter brooks also. and philip hollyway is a flight instructor. peter, let me start with you. in light of the most recent developments, looking down on the side of australia, many saying that this is consistent with a flight path that would have been on auto pilot and gone straight past an alternate airport. do you believe that terrorism or hijacking is diminished? >> well, the other possibility, megyn, is that whoever took control of this aircraft didn't want the aircraft to be found. and put it out in a place that was very inhospitable to recovery operations or search operations. so as little as we know about possible motivations, i'm not ruling any of the above out at this point. >> mike, same question to you. >> we don't know anything yet. all we know is the airplane disappeared. at this point in time, there are plausible arguments that it could have been a zombie airplane, that something went wrong in the cockpit. but there is a lot of information came out, misinformation in some in

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aviation analyst as well. miles, i'll begin with you. this new information, a game changer. if so, why? >> i think so, don. what we're seeing there is the evidence of a crew that was dealing with some sort of calamity. we don't know what caused that. that could have been a number of things we can talk about later. but was trying to get an airplane that was at 35,000 feet with -- where the air is very thin as we just heard, down to an altitude as quickly as possible where the air would be satisfactory for people to breathe. so that is what we call a high dive in aviation. it is -- we still have to look at a few things, how rapid the descent rate was, a few details we need to gather, but the impression we get is of a plane that is turning around, 180 degrees, and getting down as quickly as possible. so what would lead to that? a rapid decompression of some kind, perhaps a fire, perhaps a tuation where there were hijackers who commandeered a crew. it tends to take away any sort of implication toward the crew itse

aviation is an interesting mix of high-tech, and frankly low-tech. and in some cases, eyes on is the best way to go. you have the p-8 op-3 that gets you way beyond the horizon and into the zone. but once you get close to a potential siting, you do just want to take a look and see it with your own human eyes. and, you know, we have been seeing, for example, the crowd sourced effort to look at satellite imagery. using, you know, the many hands making light work. actually analyzing imagery, just using human eyes. so at the bottom line here, some high-tech might have saved us from a lot of this aggravation if we just had a decent amount of telemetry between the plane and satellites. but in the end, low-tech is probably how we're going to find that debris floating in the water. >> that's what i find so remarkable, with a quarter-billion dollar aircraft, we still have critical human eyes. and what's hard about this, is that it can't be out there long. they're a long way from land, not a lot of refueling. i'm going get to more in a moment in terms of techno

joining me the editor of aviation security international.ack with my bill nye, jim tillman and fran townsend. the question here i may put this to bill nye first. from sherry rosen balm who's tweeted me. one expert said if pieces that big came from the airplane they would be too heavy to float. no mention of that since. pretty good point. 70 foot by 70 foot. >> we're all speculating. what if they're rafts? what if they're gas-filled wings that broke off and float because the kerosene, the jet fuel is less dense than water? but i want to ask jim a question. would you agree that when stuff goes wrong on planes there's two things that make things go wrong on planes. maintenance and then a series of small things that just get out of hand. one thing leads to another. and then it gets away from you. >> i've never heard of an aviation accident where one thing made the difference. as a matter of fact, it's almost always a series of events. and if you change any one of those items along that chain of events no accident. so yes, you're right. it would

but remember the three tenants of aviation, navigate, and communicate. somebody would always be flying the airplane, somebody working the problem. and it same time, going off the intended track, intruding somebody's air space so you could communicate that event to air traffic control. >> so you would generally agree, working assumption that something -- someone -- something nefarious, an individual or individuals were responsible for whatever happened. >> absolutely. >> and that's -- just want to make sure. peter, let's talk a little bit about the notion that someone 40 minutes into this flight reprogrammed that automatic pilot computer to make it fly in a different direction. first of all, could it be done, someone hacking in to that computer from the ground and changing the direction of that plane, or is that too wild? >> i find that hard to believe. but the captain would know better. >> what do you think? >> i don't believe that that really was going to be the case. >> you think it's technically possible in this day and age of hacking, someone on the

phillip balm, editor of aviation security international. whole aviation industry has been buzzing about the stories for days. i've read millions of theories. and we are in the speculation business. i know as much about what happened as you do as bill nye does as any of the viewers. but we have to speculate because only through asking questions can we possibly get to some kind of helpful answer. for me, aviation industry experts that you've talked to, what is the most regular theory that you're hearing that makes the most sense? >> okay. when i'm primarily dealing with the security space, and ever more so since the malaysians themselves came out 36 hours ago and said that they were looking at four scenarios, hijacking, sabotage and psychological or personal problems amongst passengers and crew. certainly a lot of the people i'm speaking to are seriously worried that there may be something like pilot suicide as an issue here. that would give every explanation as to why there would be no communication from the aircraft. it wouldn't be the firs

kip darby is head of his own aviation firm and cnn safety analyst david soucy. good to have you all here. a meeting of the minds. today we have new developments. mary, just on this news that malaysian authorities said today about data coming from that cockpit, because you remember a little more than a week ago there were reports, indications that that turn to the west after the plane lost contact might have been preprogrammed and this added to the theory that the pilots might have done this on purpose or that it was premeditated. now you have word at least from the malaysians that that is not the case. there was nothing from the plane to indicate that that turn was preprogrammed. how important a development do you think that is and for you does it undermine the theory the pilots were somehow intentionally involved? >> well, i mean, i never thought the pilots were intentionally involved. we were pondering this 12-minute gap. what happened was because this was thought to have been programmed in by the pilots, and the last communication was 12 minutes after they th

that is an absolute given in the world aviation community. so they are beginning to rule that concept out given the data they have. that's the southern india ocean. >> barbara has been doing great reporting. andy, you reported that officials were looking into the possibility that the plane may have landed somewhere. given all of these developments, do you still think that's a possibility? >> i think it is a possibility. you cannot rule it out. but i would say from the beginning it has not been the major strand of this investigation. i would say it's looking increasingly less likely and particularly, if it happens, if there was a landing or attempted landing, finding the wreckage in those mountains with snow will be almost impossible. but i think investigators are increasingly looking at the scenario that the plane did not make land, that somehow it went into the water either because of lost fuel or for some other reason. it ran out of fuel or some other reason at this point, we really don't know. >> andy, jim, barbara, appreciate all of you.

he's an aviation buff. that's how they describe him. he managed to build his own flight simulator at home. he made a youtube video of it and posted it. that is the kind of thing he likes to do. people in the airlines industry saying, well, he looks like a typical pilot kind of guy. he's just into the aviation side of things, seems pretty stable for his age and has an awful lot of experience. however, its first officer, well, there are things on the internet with two young blond teen-agers which raise a question about his sense of judgment because those young teen-agers were in the cabin with him while he was on board a flight in 2011 from thailand to kuala lumpur. that's embarrassing to him and embarrassing for the airline because that obviously is outside protocol taking that sort of thing. so the airline looking into that. now, we understand that hamid is a muslim and there is a vast population of muslims in malaysia and his friends and neighbors say he's a good muslim and that he regularly goes to the mosque on a friday and prays. so

that is not true. >> you've been covering aviation for the last 25 years. have you ever heard as much contradictory statements? >> no, i any there's always a period of contradictory statements, but it usually sorts itself out. >> the last location desperate for any possible clues. >> we have breaking news to bring you up to speed about on that missing airlines 777 passenger jelt. >> all of these turnled out to be falsement when you're looking for a little spot, it's very difficult. understandably why they would have been attracted to these little spots that they see. they fish them up and see that they're nothing more than miscellaneous debris. nothing more from an aircraft. >> teams continue looking for the airliner. >> you really need the black boxes to tell if it was a mechanical problem or some other catastrophic failure. >> one day after the disappearance, more than 40 planes and two dozen ships have joined the search. yet, no one can find evidence of a plane crash. they would have been in clusters. but this period of time, this wreckage could be sprea

the aviation story. we all fly. i sat down yesterday for breakfast in new york city and i'm talking to a guy who has nothing to do with the news business and starts telling me what he thinks happens because he has interest in aviation and flies. >> right. >> so that's story, that mystery connects on all these compelling levels. >> back to our original point about speculation do you think there are times when it can be damaging, hurt the credibility of the news business? that's what this comes back to. >> speculation is very dangerous because if you speculate wildly you appear to be irresponsible, you can be irresponsible. you can fuel undo concerns, undo panic. you can fuel misinformation. and then in the journalistic world, you will be and you should be accountable for that. but speculation can also be smart speculation and informed speculation. you're an investigator. i'm the show host. and i'm asking you take me into this investigation. you've been in similar things like this or not. what's likely to be happening

charles barnett, he's the 777 pilot, also an aviation attorney. michael, thanks very much for coming in. let's talk about your report. give us the upshot. what did you learn? >> basically this plane moved in several different directions after it went off -- >> after the transponders stopped sending information. >> correct, correct. >> to ground control. >> at first it goes -- shortly after it goes off the radar, it goes up to 45,000 feet, which is above its normal flying altitude. and then shortly after that, it's down around 20,000 feet, which is below its normal altitude. now, along with -- >> then it goes back up again. >> then it goes back up again. while this is all happening, it is changing directions, it has moved west, it has turned back around and whatever. so all of this suggests this erraticness that has really led investigators to say, well, who was flying the plane at that point. it clearly wasn't flying itself. if it was, that certainly doesn't make any sense. and now they're trying to figure out who had control of the plane at that

so that means it was done by somebody who has aviation knowledge, right?y, not just aviation knowledge, but knowledge of that airplane. now, there is one point here i need to clarify. i said this yesterday. the elts go off under normal circumstances. but the pilot can disable the one that is in the tail with the switch in the overhead panel above him. because frequently pilots land hard and don't want to set off the beacon. the ones in the back have to be manually turned on by the flight attendants when you ditch at sea. they're activated by salt water but they have to manually turn them on, they don't want to run on them because the batteries will run down. >> what about the transmission of data? the engines we know, the boeing triple 7 transmit data as to the other functions and the mechanical devices that are inside of the plane. now, we also know that they tried to do this for up to seven hours afterwards, at least tried to connect satellite-wise. so doesn't that give us some information. doesn't boeing have the ability to monitor such things? >> yeah,

. >>> breaking tonight, new clues tonight in what for many has become the greatest aviation mystery of all time. welcome to "the kelly file," everybody, i'm megyn kelly, 12 days after flight 370 seemedly vanished by air we have learned of bizarre movements picked up by thailand radar. they say they spotted the aircraft on a twisted and turning path towards the malaysian city, just minutes after the transponder went dark. it comes amid reports that the malaysian prime minister is now asking for pakistan's help to track down this plane. why? we'll dig for answers after boeing weighs in on this now. in the meantime, the families of the missing appearing to reach their breaking point. staging a protest, begging for answers, anything that will give them some idea of what happened to the 239 people on board that aircraft. and they are not alone. watch as one reporter gets caught up in the chaos today. >> reporter: in the last 12 days they have been given no information whatsoever. >> we'll have much more on that chaos that didn't erupt at this news conference a little later in the hour. >>>

cnn aviation analyst.he malaysian police are still analyzing the flight simulator taken from the home of the pilot. we know that there are background checks being done on the passengers, and that's been cleat. and apparently there are no red flags. so what more is on this to-do list for investigators? bill, to you first, do you feel like investigators are now trying to refocus their search or the focus of this criminal investigati investigation? do they feel comfortable enough to turn away from the fact that the pilots may not have been complacent. it appears now according to national authorities they did not request to work together. there was no additional fuel requested for the plane. does that start to make you think investigators would look less at the pilots or do they still need to investigate further? >> well, i would think that the pilots probably are not in concert with whatever plans are put here in one of them was about foul play. the thing that is confusing to me is that if only one pilot was

>> aviation is an incredibly safe way to travel.n you travel from the united states to hot spots, i wouldn't call malaysia a hot spot but where you're not under the security umbrella of the united states, there obviously is a little bit more of a risk. but generally traveling to mexico, traveling to europe is an incredibly safe way to go. my personal feeling is i would rather fly an american flag carrier knowing that the quality assurance of the pilot and the equipment are ruled by the faa and placed less confidence in the -- >> oh, no, no, no. i'm going to interrupt you on this. forgive me, sir. >> that's okay. >> i can't let you get away with that one. there are many international carriers. i can reel them off, singapore airlines, qantas, la opportunity sa. i cannot allow, forgive me, the suggestion that somehow a u.s. carrier is that much safer than one of the other major global carriers. >> well, the question, though, is about international travel. maybe the standards are better than in the united states, especially when it come

to told enterprise of naval aviation or military aviation or armed service. s generally, and i think it's something we always need to remember what the family goes through and how to support them. so thank you for sharing that and thank you for doing that. that's incredible. >> any other questions? >> ladies and gentlemen, let me add one more endorsement to the book. i personally read arguably three different accounts, three different books, on the pow, the american pow experience in vietnam. this is by far the most readable, the most easily understood, and the best account that i have personally ever read, and i encourage you to pick up a copy. i encourage you to pick up a copy and read it. you also had the opportunity to have him autograph it today, and i encourage you to do that. i want us all to give alvin another round of applause for taking the time and writing such a wonderful book and such a wonderful account. [applause] >> thank you. >> the autographs will actually occur up by the book store over here. the flight deck shop. behind you. up against the

you know, pilots are in the business of aviation because they love aviation. it's much more than a job. it's a tremendous passion that extended well beyond their flying for whatever agency or corporate outfit they're flying. >> and steve, what do you make of all the data we have, all the evidence, the flight's path was reprogrammed to a new point at least a few minutes if not 12 full minutes, before the first officer said, all right, good night. >> it's not entirely clear to me how that conclusion was reached because it was the a car's data. nobody has said the data went from this airplane and was received at this location. so, the source of that, i don't know, we read it in the newspaper, so, i haven't seen the trail of that. >> assuming that information is accurate, the significance would have what? >> that would certainly tilt the shift of the focus towards some kind of a deliberate act. if i could just add a couple of things on that simulator issue as well, pilots have these things, they love flying. we hope they find a fantastic clue, but you don't need t

here in new york, arthur rosenburg, an aviation lawyer and pilot. daniel rose. in washington, rick is an aviation surveillance engineer, tom is a cnn law enforcement analyst, sean o'connor, a former intelligence analyst joins us from indianapolis and from denver, a safety analyst and author of "why planes crash." thank you all so much for joining us. sean, i want to go back to you in indianapolis. part of your job over the years has been to look at the satellite images. you know the technology from the satellites taking the pictures. the news today, this new picture from the chinese satellite that spotted something, could be a piece of debris about 75 miles from where the other satellites took images of debris that the planes have been looking for over time. how many more satellites are now taking pictures? can we expect more coverage of this area? are we surprised we haven't seen, if any part of this plane did go down in that area, are you surprised we haven't seen more pictures? >> well, first off, i'm not surprised we haven't seen more pictures, yet. you have

is an msnbc aviation analyst and was a commercial pilot for 25 years. bob, i guess i'm asking the most fundamental question this is friday evening which is going back to who did this or what did this? have we solved any of this giant mystery of a disappearing airplane? >> sure haven't. right now it's all a guessing game and it will be a guessing game unless they find something in the investigation or the background of these pilots -- and apparently they haven't so far, but unless they do -- or unless miraculously they find that some of this wreckage is from the plane and managed somehow to trace back where the main wreckage may be and fish up the flight data recorder and the cockpit voice recorder. unless either of those things happens, it may remain a guessing game forever. >> and we don't know what was spotted 1,500 miles off perth has anything to do with this, do we at this point? >> we sure don't, no, not at all. i think the most interesting development of this day is this transcript that this london "telegraph" says they got ahold of and they publi

assisted by the director of aviation services director of aviation. we will persevere.us is the search and rescue operation. and we are pursuing every means possible to narrow the two corridors. thank you. >> good afternoon. [ speaking in foreign language ] >> all right. we're watching the news conference from kuala lumpur, we're listening to the minister of defense also the minister of transportation from malaysia right now. he briefs every morning. this morning, he did give a few new details. he said they're working to narrow the search corridor for the flight. more on that. he don firms they're investigating all passengers, crew, both on the ground, in on the air, and the pilots of this plane, they're still looking into that. he confirmed that they have received some radar data from another country. however, he would not tell us what country they've received data from or what that data might be. finally, he said that they're going through the pilot's flight simulator, he said some data has been deleted from the flight simulator. they're working to restore that. altho

daniel rose, a pilot and aviation attorney and also cnn aviation correspondent richard quest.ght, guys, welcome back to the program here. we'll get to this fire theory in a minute. on the news we're hearing, there was nothing suspicious on the at-home simulator. nothing suspicious between the pilot and air traffic control. nothing suspicious in e-mails. your reaction? >> i think that's been the problem all along with this so called deliberate or hijacking type theory.so-called deliberat hijacking type theory. you have a captain, who's by all accounts a family man and well-respected, and an enthusiast about aviation. you wouldn't leave a simulator out in broad daylight if you were planning some kind of nefarious act like this. on top of that, you don't have any sign of the aircraft. you don't have any communications from 139 passengers. you don't have any ransom demands. >> no one claiming responsibility. >> right. >> richard quest, you've been listening to all of this the past 12 days. now the nugget today we have is the thai government saying yes, they were tracking the fligh

the international civil aviation organization rules that the civil aviation investigatory body should take the lead. we have the malaysian military taking the lead. it's causing confusion, and they don't have much experience in the area of leading these technical investigations. >> the big development on wednesday was the release of chinese satellite photos that show three large objects. the largest is 79 by 72 feet. there's a lot of debate as to whether it's possible that large debris is consistent with debris from a high altitude crash. what do you thing? >> it depends what caused the catastrophe at 35,000 feet. if it was a situation where you had a problem, a fuel tank explosion, or a wing off an explosion or fire, then you would expect to see parts really torn apart and widely dispersed. if it was like an air france 447, the plane encountered bad weather. it had a stall, an aerodynamic stall. the air stopped moving across the rings at a speed fast enough to keep the plane flying and it fluttered to the earth like a leaf, the ocean. that could leave you with big parts. in the case

this simply -- this is baffling to aviation experts. and the consequences are absolutely extraordinary. we've never seen anything like this in aviation security history. i would like to tap into catherine's focus on the system data that is coming in today. that system data is going to look at the range to -- the flight velocity to this aircraft. i guess that is the amount of time when the transponders tapped off. and the time is based on three factors, the lift to drag of the boeing 777. and on the other side, there is the weight ratio. the initial weight and the final weight. and then in between you have this thing called impulse consumption of the fuel inside. so once you multiply all the three factors together that gives you an estimate of time. that is why you see "the wall street journal" point to the range. >> talking about four hours of range. certainly the report said it was off course, off course significantly. d.j., you're a pilot, i don't know, have you flown the triple 7? >> i have not flown the triple 7, sean, however, my t