john avlon, a quick fact check on that.ut not totally true. >> what they're doing right now is explaining to the american people why democrats are rejecting speaker boehner's offer to solve this in congress. they thought it might avoid a shutdown. they are saying the reason we are having this fight is because we haven't passed a budget. we have been wanting to go to conference but the republicans have blocked it. >> and the republicans blocked it because democrats wanted to include an increase in the debt ceiling in that. >> correct. >> the republicans want to use the debt ceiling as a conversation point. >> a leverage point and mike lee, rubio and cruz have been fighting that fight. >> terry, what about this? did john boehner make a mistake by not going into conference before? the question is here, is he going have ended up overplaying his hand in such a way that the republicans lose the battle over the budget and not able to fight a battle over the debt ceiling in two weeks? >> before that, the trap from the democrats i n

john avlon, have people lost their minds? what is happening? >> they have a serious case of stockholm syndrome. they're being hostage by their own party, including speaker boehner. they think the people holding them hostage is their allies. in fact, they are making them impotent to deal with this problem, the self-inflicted crisis. so i think it's an inspired choice to have a hostage negotiator. >> listen to some of the language we are hearing, the ransom hostage language you are hearing. been. >> you don't get to demand some ransom in exchange for keeping the government running. you don't want to ge hand ransom in exchange for keeping the economy running. >> hostages, ransom, holding a gun to the heads of the american people. what is the first thing we should do here to step down the crisis level? >> well, somebody needs to ask a really good question. i know that sounds simplistic. but the idea is, it's not the answer, it's the response that you're looking for. ask somebody a question, it makes them stop and think. then you try to see if you c

if the recall includes the asynesia, camry, and avlon. all from the 2012-2013 model years. >>> there are new developments in a salmonella alert involving chicken. a costco is recalling fosters rotisserie chicken. this is in addition to the 40,000 pounds of foster farm chicken recalled last week. the products yet to recall are kirkland signature feature farm. rotisserie chicken soup and rotisserie chicken salad. >>> women are aweing the maker of the smoothing product. the women behind the class action lawsuit claim save smoothing kit burned their scalp. >>> child is being treated at oakland's children's hospital. his father took him there last week saying the boy had a seizure and passed out after he picked him up from day care. >>> am nine-year-old boy whom snuck on to a flight from minneapolis to las vegas will not be returned to his parents. a judge has ruled the boy will live apart from his parents while he under goes therapy and evaluated for special education services. his parents will be allowed to visit and call their son on the ph

the air bag includes the venosa, camry, and avlon.f the cars from the 2012 and 2013 model years. >>> the bart strike this morning obviously commuters having other ways to get to work. we'll have a live report from the richmond san rafael bridge to see if that is a good option. >>> plus why an air marshal was escorted after a plane and arrested. >>> good morning. bart workers are on strike in case you are just joining us. we are looking at the line getting on to the ferries which will take a lot of people into san francisco. this at jack london square. it looks like the ferries are running. we do have more more ferries online today according to the ferry spokesperson. we will have more ferries taking people from the east bay into san francisco and later on the other way around. i think this one almost looks like a golden gate transit ferry. some of the golden gate transit ferries have been led to the east bay ferry system to help people get across the bay. we'll have another report on all of your commute options and that indeed is the

i'm john avlon, and this is "reliable sources." >>> obama care signups started october 1st, but the struggles of the site have dominated. reports of nightmare signups, dropped connections, overloaded servers, led to finger-pointing, congressional hearings, and calls for heads to roll. for a look at the coverage, whether it was fair, accurate, or even helpful, i'm joined by joe, rosie, and jamal, from "the daily beast," where i also work. joe, let's start with you. you had a piece up taking aim at sebelius' attempted defense of this dysfunction, with sanjay gupta. >> the guy who exposed sebelius in terms of everything that went wrong with the website is a doctor, and also a reporter for cnn. he's a doctor first. and what made this interview so effective, it was conversational and not confrontational. if she goes on fox, she probably has a finger wagging on her. at msnbc, she'll get the pat on the back. she goes with sanjay gupta, he was tapped to be surgeon general in 2008, like, hey, we might get a friendly interview. instead, he asked questions that knew two major things. one, the site wasn'

joining me is john avlon.. >> good morning, carol. >> so first of all, let's tackle conservatives' concerns. why didn't paul ryan didn't mention obama care in the op-ed. i read it. it's nowhere in here. >> yeah. i think he realizes it is a nonstarter with the president which, you know, should have been obvious like a year ago or right after the election at least. look, what paul ryan is doing, however, really deserves applause. he is putting forward a path forward, something that a real conversation can be about. areas of surprising agreement that could actually help us take this whole shutdown and the debt ceiling debacle and turn it constructive for the country. props for paul ryan for actually putting forward a plan. if he angers the far right, sometimes that's a sign you're doing something right. >> he doesn't give the president a pass. the president is giving congress the sigh lept treatment. he is refusing to talk even though the federal government is about to hit the debt ceiling. does he suggest some t