alie: we see hiding of ivory under coffee, under avococados.these methods to conceal these products are very sophisticated. roberts: you might have a legal shipment in a giant shipping container that has 20 tons of cacapacity, , and that 20 tons f capacity is filled with 18 tons of dried seaweed or stones or cashew nuts, a perfectly legal international commodity, but two tons of ivory smuggled in. alie: to undertake this type of transaction requires bribery, requires paying peopople off at each link of the chain. thornton: you can't have that kind of poacaching andnd that amount of ivory moving out of a country unless you havave some very big players that are right near the top that are protected people that protect the people that are doing all that destruction. vivira: it's not uncommon for ministers, it's not uncommon for local governors to be involved. huhutson: corruption that extens all the waway to the presidentnl level. the kinds of corruption that couldn't happenen without presidential a authorization from the presidents ofof congo and