he was asking awlaki to find him a wife. awlaki wasn't responding to him. awlaki is kind of ignoring him and say yeah, brother, if i find you a wife, i'll let you know. and then nidal hasan commits this heinous crime and kills all of these soldiers, and awlaki responds by printing a blog that says nidal hasan is a hero, and essentially calls on other soldiers, if they're muslim, to do the same thing that nidal hasan did. and that really was when most americans heard about anwar al awlaki. so he is added to the list. not only is he killed in a drone strike, his son, an american citizen, abdulrahman al awlaki is killed. there had been another discussion about was it a mistake. you have new reporting in the book about the reporting of the president when he finds out about the death. >> just to clarify, abdulrahman al awlaki was born in denver. he had not seen his father for two years. the last time he saw him in 2009. he was living with his grandparents, upstanding citizens in yemen. he ran away from home, trying to find his father. two weeks later, he is sitt

he was asking awlaki to find him a wife. awlaki wasn't responding to him.en most americans b heard about pit. >> not only is he killed in a drone strike, his son, an american citizen, is killed. >> just to clarify he was born in denver, colorado. he had not seen his father for two years. he was living with his grandparents. he ran away from home. two weeks later, he is sitting outside with his teenaged cousins when a drone enters yemeni airspace and kills him and his cousins. there has never been an official accounting of what happened from the obama administration, only through leaks. the ultimate conclusion it was an outrageous mistake and they were trying to kill a terrorist named ibrahim. he is still alive. we don't know who the intended target was. but what i am reporting for first time is a former senior administration official, who worked on the targeted killing program, told me that when president obama found out that abdulrahman al awlaki had been killed, he was incredibly upset about this. and that john brenneman who at the time was the senior ter

al-awlaki isn't the only u.s.here's been three others in yemen alone. the closer to quit points. in referencing the department of justice, the white paper that came out said that a senior qualified official in the u.s. government would determine who is the senior operational commander within al qaeda. there's a very real assumption the u.s. has it's not perfect, near-perfect intelligence about what is happening in the inner workings of al qaeda. i think that's a dangerous assumption to make. as i said, i've been going to yemen since 2003. i've talked to a lot of different people. one of the things most frustrating to me over the past decade is the u.s. is self-evidently right. the u.s. has more technology, more munitions and then it has my money and yet on the ground in a place like yemen, we appear to be losing. >> i think drones or a tack tick. they are one instrument of trying to deal with a deep-seated complex problem then they cannot solve that problem for us. they can be one element, that they need to be a c

awlaki had a much broader world view. he viewed this clash of the united states against islam and took very seriously bush calling it a crusade. we could talk about this incident and that incident with awlaki. there's a whole bucketful of reprehensible things that man said and potentially did. we should see the evidence. there should have been a judicial process where he as an american citizen had a right to respond to the evidence against him. it's one of the core things that's supposed to make the united states the united states. the right to face your accusers. >> speaking of drones, rand paul, senator rand paul said this on tuesday. take a listen. >> if someone comes out of a liquor store with a weapon and $50 in cash, i don't care if a drone kills him or a policeman kim kills him. but it's different if they want to come fly over your hot tub or your yard just because they want to do surveillance on everyone and they want to watch your activity. >> senator paul to be fair to him did amend those comments later. after h

is done with the computers, they find links to anwar al-awlaki websites. we do know from youtube page he was following another extremist imam, someone who is in favor of violence against non-believers and have said that openly on his website. an australian cleric out of lebanon. >> paul: knees people are very heart hard to detect. because they are operating by themselves. what do you do at nypd to make sure that you defect these people before they become violent? >> the signals are very faint to detect radicalization. essentially nypd tried to be creative and create trip wires in a variety of places, travel overseas, absolutely, zone of conflict that required further scrutiny, maybe check out and find what the trip was about. we want to better understand the neighborhood to try and figure out, are there certain incubators where radicalization is likely to happen. in madrid, they were radicalized in a barer shop. in london, they radicalized in a bookstore. some public places at the nypd could go to and most importantly online. >> paul: had you a couple trip

al-awlaki was killed in a u.s. drone strike in 2011. authorities are also examining what they believe to be a twitter account of dzhokhar tsarnaev which includes a tweet in russian last year saying "i will get killed young, but tsarnaev may have shared that account with another person." in watertown where dzhokhar tsarnaev was captured eight days ago, investigators towed away the boat. the 19-year-old didn't have a weapon and did not shoot himself or at police before his arrest. tsarnaev is now being held at a federal prison hospital 40 miles from boston. tributes to bomb victims continued today. 8-year-old martin richard who was killed in the marathon attack was honored in dorchester where he played little league. it was the first day of the season. the town's firefighters all wore shirts with his name and age. 30 bombing victims are still in the hospital. one of them is in critical condition. elaine quijano, cbs news, boston. >>> authorities in new york will search for more remains of 9/11 victims. after part of a plane was found two

al-awlaki was killed in a u.s. drone strike in 2011. authorities are also examining what they believe to be a twitter account of dzhokar tsarnaev, which includes a tweet in russian last year saying, "i will get killed young." but tsarnaev may have shared that account with another person. in watertown, where dzhokar tsarnaev was captured eight days ago, investigators towed away the boat where he had been hiding. police now say the 19-year-old did not have a weapon and did not shoot himself or at police before his arrest. tsarnaev is now being held at a federal prison hospital 40 miles from boston. tributes to bomb victims continued today. eight-year-old martin richard, who was killed in the marathon attack, was honored in dorchester where he played little league. it was the first day of the season. the town's firefighters all wore shirts with his name and age. 30 people remain in the hospital tonight. jim, one of them is in critical condition. >> axelrod: elaine quijano in boston for us tonight, thank you. supreme court justice steven br

with the links to the international terrorists anwar al-awlaki there is no doubt in anyone's mind. so, to me, it is appalling that this administration is more worried about a political narrative and frankly trying to give aid and comfort to a terrorist here, my goodness sake his own words will indict him and assure his presence in jail for the rest of his life. there is nothing here in the congressional legislation that will actually help the defendant in any way, any plausible way that i know. you are the lawyer. i'm not. i have studied law quite a bit. i can't see how this would give any -- congressional action to this any aid to the defense of major hasan. >> scott: what do you think is next? how do you think this all will play out? >> i'm going to encourage my members that i consider friends on the hill to push this forward. the right thing to do is take care of the families. they suffered. they continue to suffer. and they need to be taken care of first and foremost. i hope congress passes this and they force defense secretary hagel to do the right thing. >> scott: the way to

drone strike that killed al-awlaki. again, a two-fer. a two for one.of course, we don't know how many innocent civilians were killed in the process. >> stephanie: oh really? should have gotten those two guys. >> la, la, la, la. >> stephanie: you're not glad we got those two guys? >> i'm saying sometimes there is collateral damage. >> stephanie: it is a concern. >> i'm not argue with you about that. >> ooh boy. >> stephanie: as i mentioned part of what happened here is we talk about earlier is the cooperation between the u.s. and russia and they described the relationship as fraught on law enforcement and intelligence matters. one reason the fbi may not prove more aggressively is the russians never revealed basis for their suspicions. they assumed they had interhe wanted worrisome things. two suspected radicals under surveillance in russia but the russias would have been loathed to disclose, revealing their methods to a foreign intelligence service. and then there's also the chechen part of it that we talked about that sometimes the fbi is suspicious be

believe that al qaeda may have influenced the pair with intent-bombmaking instructions posted by al-awlaki. >> the individual whose may have connection overseas but the primary radicalization is in places like the united states. >> he was formally charged in the hospital room yesterday where he is recovering from gunshot wounds he suffered in a shootout with police on friday. >> we hear more stories of courage and survival from the attack of the more than 200 injured, at least 14 people have undergone ambassador stations including a dancer who lost her foot but not her will to dance again. the 32-year-old and her husband, an airman just back from afghanistan were watching the marathon near the finish line when the first bomb went off. >> i remember telling adam, my $i'm alive and he said i'm okay, i'm okay, are you okay, are you okay, and i think, i thought we were okay and i said, my foot, something is wrong with my foot and he lifted my leg and we lost it. >> she lost her left foot and works as a ballroom dance instructor and says when someone tries to stop you from doing something you h

an onlean preachings of anwar al awlaki were a likely influence.ind his krad were likely an influence. there is no doubt in tsavraev's ability to conceal his sinister plan to those closest to him. his parents and even his wife. >> the reports of his involvement came as a shock to them all. >> reporter: david mattingly, cnn boston. >> our thanks to david mattingly for that. the older brother, tamerlan, tsavraev, was increasingly radicalized and may have influenced by a friend. the surviving brother told investigators the two acted alone with no outside assistance or in influence through foreign groups. joining us from washington is former cia director and chair of the foundation for defense of democracy, ambassador r. james wolsly. thank you so much for being with us. >> good to be with you. >> one of the things we are hearing, the younger brother, dzhokhar tsavraev is telling investigators, not sure if we should believe him or not, that the brothers became self-radical ice e self-radicalized here in the united states by watching online videos. does

>> i won't hold him out as the next al-awlaki.that basically, they are doing the same thing. spreading the word of radical islam. in an effort to directly or intrechtly through the internet ramblings and the speeches. they are trying to influence and encourage impressionable, disfected individuals like the boston bombers. perfect target for what the radical islam tries to do. imam in australia, the family moved from lebanon to australia. he was born there. in his early 40s. proponent of al-awlaki, as are a lot of the fiery imam that are out there. it don't want to lump them the one category. but they're doing the same thing. important to go above the individual preachers and say what they are trying to do is what they have done with the other bombers elsewhere. fort hood ooting is a perfect example. >> as a former c.i.a. covert operation officer what do we expect now of the intelligence community given this time of inforti? this is a changing beast. we have had success in the past years. targeting al-qaeda and the like-minded mini

the bureau got tipped that this guy was in contact with al awlaki. that he was a jihadist. didn't do anything. bang. this looks like the identical thing here. and you say? >> well, it looks similar. but we can't say based on what we now know that the fbi blew it in this particular case that we talked about you. no certainly the fbi knees to explain itself. hasan case led to a commission appointed by the director led by william webster which came down very hard on how that case was handled in the hasan case and said major mistakes were made and a lot was missed and me blew it whether they blew it this time is impossible to say yet. i think a lot of questions need to be answered about what exactly the russians and we now, i guess we know it was the russians who tipped us off. what exactly did they tell us? what exactly did the hasan -- did this guy say when he he was questioned? what was he asked? and when the fbi said, you know, they found no evidence, you know, how did he get out off the country and back in without apparently knowing about him and there is a lot here. >> wh

after we drilled al awlaki with the drone in 2011. the bombers moved their allegiance to another radical imman named phi i can't see mohammed thop his head off. these guys are radical islamist. trained on the internet. temple can be several and accessible. time to spop with the pc crap and get tough on terror. andrea work around the table. pretty easy when you realize they may have had training as well. but a lot of the stuff that they did can be found in some of these online web sites. >> well, when you think about radical islam, it's not a new concept. i know a lot of people think in recent decades we have heard a lot about it. you go back to the days of thomas jefferson. the muslims were killing our ship captains, jefferson had to hear from the french what was happening. that's how he learned about the threat of radical islam. this has been going on for hundreds of years, of course, you will never hear about it in our schools or universities because of the political correctness you talk about. what's interesting though is it's actu

al awlaki was a muslim chaplain at george washington university? >> yes, he was. >> look, this is where we are going now, juan, i will give you the last word. this is is where we are going. the left, this is primarily on the left. i don't see it on the right. okay. they want laws that shut you up if you criticize any so-called minority. go ahead, juan. >> well, to me what happens here is if you challenge their ideology because you talk about self-righteous. you think the catholic church is self-righteous, bill, try liberal orthodoxy in this country and i'm someone who you up in that orthodoxy. shocked at my age you know what? they will punish you more than the right wing will if you vary from what is the official line, the official message of the day. one quick point. i think if you engage in hate speech. if you start using the "n" word and all of that i'm not going to protect your right. >> bill: if you are basically doing that kind of add homonym to the man attack that's a different story. >> thank you, bill. >> it's clearly not what's happening

we're not being told that there is an exact match, wolf. >> anwr awlaki, the american born cleric andhan also were killed by u.s. drone strikes. do we know who runs this "inspire" magazine now? i told adam gadahn very much involved, and he is still on the loose. >> are you absolutely right. this magazine features a lot of writing of adam gadahn, but he is at the moment believed to be in pakistan and it is believed this is produced in yemen by english speakers, perhaps some americans still part of the group now. we saw new issues come out recently. still putting the magazine together, and it's causing a lot of concern in each issue, they had have a how-too guide in terms of launching attacks in the west and real concern because of that, wolf. >> paul, appreciate it very much. paul is our terrorism analyst. there are a lot of developments happening right now here in boston. coming up next, the wife of the dead boston bombing suspect could provide some serious clues about what her husband was doing just before the attack. >>> and we'll hear what her attorney is now saying about the coupl

anwar al awlaki was a brilliant preacher. because he spoke to a western audience. he was an american. and so if you were susceptible, he could give you a message and it resonates with you then you're off to the races toward radicalization. >> we talked beforehand, i'll let you talk now. is it your hunch what we heard today from the suspect, he's still technically a suspect, dzhokhar, do you believe he's telling the truth in what he said? it may not be the whole story. but in what he said? >> i do. he's young. he's not the leader of this two-person cell. baited on -- based on what -- i hate to use the word cell. >> why to you hate you use the word cell? >> cell has connotations there was a broader group of individuals involved and could have been here for a long time. these guys were self-radicalized. how they were self-radicalized, toward what end, are the two central questions. >> let me go to robert. same sets of questions. do you believe they acted alone? do you believe they're capable of building the bomb and becoming radicalized by their lonesome? >> yeah. i a

bin laden was killed, al awlaki was killed, et cetera. but this is continuing to met as it size.generation 2.0 of jihad, they are going to use the internet. this is a younger generation and it's imperative, piers, we use the internet to actually teach our people and first responders to identify this. and there are programs like trip wire and dhs and the office of bombing prevention that are being cut by over 50%. we're spending less than 1% of the money we spent on defeating ied in iraq and afghanistan. this is an opportunity now to do -- to cross-apply it at home. >> has there been a failure of intelligence? if it turns out this wasn't al qaeda-hit on a relatively soft target like the boston marathon, would heads have to roll? is this a failure? >> not necessarily. if -- sure f it turns out that it's an al qaeda hit that was coordinated by al qaeda from abroad, then you would think that is something that should have been detected. but it doesn't have the hall marks of that. it does have the hallmarks of something that is put together on an ad hoc basis. and something that is muc

hassan, my psychiatric colleague at fort hood was found was by monitoring the e-mails of anwar al-awlakit it's a very difficult process. and if someone is himself exploring -- feeling a sense of fervor, meaning, of aggression, it's quite a daunting challenge but we musn't give up our civil liberties in pursuing that challenge. >> woodruff: just quickly, inal we doou, jessica stern, it seems a few years ago we were hearing there was more homegrown radicalization going on in europe and great britain because perhaps young people were not feeling as assimilated there as they were here in the united states. that's changed? >> well, it does seem to be changed. for the most part, muslims in the united states are much better integrated. they're better educated than the average american. they're more likely to vote than the average american. but the new york city police department predicted after the 200 murder of a man that that kind of radicalization would come to the states in about five years and i think they were right. >> woodruff: on that note, we will live it there. jessica stern, dr. jer

reporter: jones says the brothers seemed to have been inspired by the internet preachings of anwar al awlakie charismatic american-born al qaeda jihadist who has been dead now more than a year and a half. >> the older brother appeared to be the more radicalized of the two and drove both the need to conduct the attack as well as the preparation of the attack, that is, building the bombs. >> reporter: as for what drove tamerlan? his younger brother claims it was hatred of america. >> he may have been angry about other things, about the status of his life. but he increasingly turned to jihadism, was radicalized, because among other things, u.s. foreign policy decisions overseas and that especially afghanistan and iraq. >> reporter: what the younger brother is reported to be saying is consistent with what we heard in the neighborhood about the older brother tamerlan and his disgust with things american and christian. >> he said the bike is a cheap copy off the koran. he said most american wars are excused off the bible. >> reporter: and it also emerged there might be a link to an unsolved murder

tell abc news, dzhokhar said he and his brother were following the internet preachings of anwar al awlaki, the american-born jihadist, who has been dead for a year and a half. >> it appears to me that the older brother was particularly influenced by al awlaki. >> reporter: despite his ties and his trips to russia, it was a hatred of america that motivated the attack. >> his brother believed that the u.s., through the wars in afghanistan and iraq, were killing muslims. >> reporter: hours after the younger brother talked, authorities swarmed an area behind a cambridge drugstore, looking for more explosives or the place where the bombs might have been built. the fbi hopes to get additional insight from tamerlan's wife. seen over the weekend leaving the family apartment. a rhode island native, she converted to islam and changed her name from katherine to karina. her family lawyer said monday, she was shocked to learn of her husband's role and had no idea until the fbi first released those surveillance pictures of him and named him a suspect. in fact, the lawyer says, the wife doesn't speak an

that's why awlaki was considered such a threat, because they indeed think he was an inspiration to many idea what happened to these two young men, they're trying to find out so urgently right now. i have never seen a description of a suspect, a description of someone who xward out such a horrific act, uniformly across the board, everyone saying that he was a wonderful guy. >> scanning the horizon for clues. we have been hearing this morning about dzhokhar tsarnaev but his brother tamerlan tsarnaev has been less of a focus. >>> i want to bring in the boxing coach of the older brother, tamerlan tsarnaev, who was killed in that firefight. mr. kiernan, can you hear us? >> yes, i can. >> tell us about his brother, have you been hearing the reports that these people were courteous, young men? >> what i thought about this young man, i would have said that he was a fine, young man, very good athlete, very courteous, quiet, and, just a nice guy. i'm shocked beyond belief that he was involved in this. >> how recently did you talk to him and did talk to you about his family, he was married with a

authorities believe the attack may have been inspired by al qaeda and the preachings of radical jihadist al-awlakiators focus on his older brother killed thursday night as the possible brains behind the attack, of particular interest is his tip to russia last year. a neighbor said he returned more extreme. >> he said the bible is a cheap city of the koran and most american wars are an excuse. >> the investigation continues and boston is moving on. the scene of the bombing is in longer an f.b.i. crime scene. hundreds turned out at memorials to remember the dead including the 23-year-old graduate student. >> we will keep running to finish the race for you and we will try to realize your unfinished dreams. >> of the more than 200 people injured in the bombings, 48 are still in the hospital recovering but good news, all those are expected to survive. >> that is good news. before you get away, we know the f.b.i. was tipped off by russian authorities about tamerlan, why didn't they more closely follow him after the tip? >> that's the big question right now and authorities are looking into that as the to

we were talking a little before about anwar awlaki, the muslim cleric who had been proselytizing over the internet trying to inspire action here in the united states >> that's exactly what he was trying to do and why they thought he was such a threat. i used to talk to officials saying what is it awlaki has done, exactly, just putting stuff out on the internet. we learned later he had a far bigger role in some of the terrorist acts in this country but they thought that was a huge threat exactly for that reason, that he would inspire people and, remember, they had this online magazine and this magazine told people how to put a pressure cooker bomb together so that's the kind of things that will go back, going to try to check the internet. they're going to do whatever they can to track what these two young men were up to and what changed them. what radicalized them. were they living these double lives r a long time as brad said or did something happen in the last yea so? alsoave to wonder about the training. the younger brother probab dndi have as much training as e older bro was 26, th

we've seen this before, this is one of the reason why the cleric, anwar al awlaki put up videos online by a drone strike. that's why he did it, to radicalize individuals in different parts of the world. and apparently some videos like that, we don't know if it's al al wa awlaki or not, influenced tamerlan. >> any indication if this happened before or after he was given miranda warnings? >> i don't know as of now. just based on what the miranda warning is, you have the right to remain silent to have an attorney, probably before. we know that dzhokhar conveyed this through nods and by writing. the big point no, foreign terrorist group involvement according to dzhokhar. no -- the older brother tamer n tamerlan, the one driving the -- their action. and that they were self-radicalized by watching videos online and that they were jihadists, they thought they were defending islam from what? we'll find out more what they thought they were defending, in the days and weeks to come. >> key here, investigators following up on leads. not taking their word for it. >> what dzhokhar is conveying. not

leader awlaki a dozen times in the months leading up to the incident.tagon will not call the shooting a terrorist attack. and there is the rub. because some would say, well look. just let the hasan trial finish and after it's done the pentagon would be free to award the purple heart. but what the pentagon is arguing is that this is not an international terrorist attack and that is the criteria to get the purple heart or even be eligible so really no matter what happens in this trial hasan would have to be found to be acting as a direct agent of al qaeda for then these victims to be eligible for the purple heart. >> which raises the question, chris. if he was inspired by anwar al awlaki the al qaeda operative later killed by a u.s. drone in yemen, if he was inspired, coordinating if you will, some of the messages, if he was saying what he said when he was killing those individuals at fort hood, why isn't it a terrorist act? it looks like it has the feeling of a terrorist act. >> to a lot of people it does. i mean, what he said, the fact that he was in co

he went and met with the al-awlaki family.but not only did president obama have awlaki killed, you know, without trial, without charge, a drone attack in yemen kills not only anwar al-awlaki whether you think what he is saying is right or you think it's absolutely reprehensible, he was an american citizen, and you have to ask this question should we be doing it to anyone? killing this american citizen, then two weeks later dropping another missile, bomb, drone strike on his son who was born in denver, 16 years old. what did his son do? and, actually, senator paul raised this question, what was his crime? that he was the son of his father? these are very serious questions. i would expand rand paul's questions to not only u.s. citizens, but anyone. but it was very significant what he did on that day. >> host: bill in washington, d.c., thanks for holding. you're on the air on booktv with amy goodman. >> caller: ms. goodman, how are you doing? >> guest: good. >> caller: just want today see if you might have had a shoutout to ron p

internet preaching of the radical cleric anwar al awlaki. even though the american born al qaeda figure was killed in a -- more than a year and a half ago, his words still have power. here condemning the u.s. actions in iraq and afghanistan, which the younger brother said, became their motivation to attack. >> we have chosen the path of war in order to defend ourselves from your oppression. >> reporter: the elder brother tamerlan had another favorite speaker. a chechen rebel leader who's video tamerlan posted online. here the leader threatens death to anyone who helps the infidels. he was killed by the russians last year. and it was on the internet, dzhokhar told fbi agents, that they learned how to make a bomb with a pressure cooker all found from an al qaeda online magazine. >> it suggests people are getting smarter about building easily manufactured bombs and targeting the united states. >> reporter: in russia today, the mother of the brothers tsarnaev, who first encouraged her older son. she was defiant in claiming their innocence. >> my

the guy in yemen ayman al awlaki is now dead and was influencing people through emails and telephone calls to do attack, but there's also the influence that just comes from the jihadi website to urge everyone to do attacks. the al qaeda magazine which is online inspire in english, urges people to do attacks and tells them how to do it. so is there a foreign end? it's not going to be a yes or no situation, perhaps they don't know yet, but it could be somewhere in the middle. >> one thing we do no, though, dick is that there have been few attacks here since 9/11 eaven though the fear was people inspired by al qaeda going after soft targets in the united states. >> i've never understood that. in the weeks after 9/11 president obama asked me for what could happen next and we predicted that there would be a lot of attacks like this. it's been a decade and it hasn't happened. now, the fbi has stopped a lot of things before it happened, and initiating people in the united states, but i would have expected a lot more to have happened just like this, and i don't know why it hasn't. >> thanks

>> jake, awlaki and al qaeda has a very simple message for people. stay home.ave to join us. you can launch attacks in our name. we'll provide you the instructions in this magazine for how to do it. it may well be these people were not connected to any terrorist group. >> paul, here is my questions because we've been talking about the inspire article since last we week. what's the take away for investigators? he is inspiring these young extremists from the gave. that particular article got thousands of downloads. what is the take away for investigators and how does this stop? >> one of the problems is this group in yemen continues to put out this magazine. they put these dangerous instructions online. the boston devices did have striking similarities to a recipe put out in inspire magazine, how to build a bomb in your mom's kitchen right down to the how to glue the metal in the pressure cooker. a ranking member of the house committee said he was told the younger brother said they downloaded one of these recipes, brooke. >> wow. >> paul cruickshank, thanks so mu

on the radar and failed a good example is major hassan with the fbi aware of emails and anwar al awlakipped that investigation. >> neil: why do you think they did in those cases? because they didn't want to typecast? because they were trying to be politically correct? >> exactly. we know from the webster report on the fort hood shootings they're talking about religious stuff so we can't get into it. and the conclusion of the webster report was it was political correctness and in fact the fbi has done nothing to correct those systems that keep having these incidents recur. >> neil: what should they say, put out an edict, call it what it is, muslim extremists, how should they go about chasing this? >> within the past couple years they've purged all counterterrorism training materials of any mention of radical islam. they need to begin to roll that back. secondly. >> neil: say it for what it is, looking at radical islamist. >> yes. look, these -- i'm not saying we need to look at or throw, you know, aspersions over the entire muslim community. we know which mosques are rolling out terroris

hue san had coordinated with all-awlaki. we node that is true. he was radicalized. >> cenk: that's fair to say there was correspondence beforehand. but the fbi looked into that correspondence and so did the army and conclude it was not ordered by al-awalaki. that he acted on his own and he was mentally embalanced. there was no coordination in that sense. it was not from muslim to muslim. >> he was radicalized by an ideology and his mental imbalanced allowed him to buy in that ideology. and there are people in their 20s who are open to being radicalized. i'm not sure what ideology that is but they're susceptible to radicalization of ideology. >> cenk: noah brings up an interesting point. if it turns out that they're militant right wingers then do we need to look into the right wing ideology and see what's wrong with it? should we start to look at right wingers with the same wary eye that they do with muslims. >> it's cart before the horse because we don't know what kind of right wing extremists there. america learned about the militia movement in

as far as the influence of awlaki, again, i have not heard that at this point. the things that i'm sure the fbi is going to be looking closely into with respect to their websites, e-mails, those types of things. but "inspire" magazine is available over the internet and it is pretty clear they read that magazine and whether that is where they learned how to make the bombs, again, we don't know the answer to but, certain certainly, there are instructions in that journal that would tell you how to make bombs that are very similar to this. not exactly but similar to the ones that were used. >> i know you just emerged from a briefing with the fbi, a closed door briefing. did the fbi drop the ball a couple years ago when the russian authorities notified the u.s. that tamerlan tsarnaev was associating with islamic radi l radicals? was there a blunder there? >> i think the fbi did a very thorough investigation of tamerlan when they were notified by a foreign intelligence service and they went back and asked for additional information not once not twice but three times a

anwar al-awlaki is not the only citizen that has been killed by u.s. drones. with twost close points. in referencing the department of justice, the white paper that came out, it said that a senior qualified official in the u.s. government would determine who was a senior operational command within al qaeda. there is a very real assumption there that the u.s. has, if not perfect, near-perfect intelligence about what's happening in the inner workings of al qaeda. i think that is a very dangerous assumption to make. toi said, have been going yemen since 2003. i spent a lot of time on the ground and talk to a lot of different people. one of the things that has been most frustrating to me over the past decade is that the u.s.'s -- is self evidently right. the u.s. has more technology, has more munitions, and has more men, and has more money. and yet on the ground, in a place like yemen, we appear to be losing. >> i think that drones are a tactic. they are one instrument of trying to deal with a deep- seated, complex problem, and they cannot solve the problem for us

> published by al qaeda in the arabian peninsula in english, the magazine was started by anwar al awlakiyemeni cleric who was killed by a u.s. drone strike. cruikshank has been tracking al qaeda and this magazine for years. he says investigators are looking closely at whether the brothers tsarnaev got their bomb recipe here. that could have larger implications. >> one of the largest concerns of western counterterrorism officials is that "inspire" magazine is still publishing new issues. in an issue that was put out recently, the magazine stated we are publishing america's worst nightmare. >> as investigators sift through evidence, the bits of bombs found blown across the crime scene should yield other clues, too. >> what were the components used in creating these devices? toa -- awith that you're going things like fingerprints, hair and fibers that may be included in there, and also tool markings. >> ray lopez is a former fbi explosives expert. >> these things were made with tools so there's going to be a -- look for tool marks that are left after these things were done, and that's going

: published by al qaeda in the arabian peninsula in english, the magazine was started by anwar al awlakierican yemeni cleric who was killed by a u.s. drone strike. cruickshank has been tracking al qaeda and this magazine for years. he says investigators are looking closely at whether the brothers tsarnaev got their bomb recipe here. that could have larger implications. >> one of the largest concerns of western counterterrorism officials is that "inspire" magazine is still publishing new issues. in an issue that was put out recently, the magazine stated, "we are publishing america's worst nightmare." >> reporter: as investigators sift through evidence, the bits of bombs found blown across the crime scene should yield other clues, too. >> what were the components used in creating these devices? coupled with that, you're going to have an investigation or laboratory science is working on things like fingerprints, hair and fibers that may be included in there, and also tool markings. >> reporter: ray lopez is a former fbi explosives expert. >> these things were made with tools. so there's goi

he's pictured alongside anwar al awlaki. fort hood shootings, this is the cleric that communicated with nadal hasan before this was carried out. this was samir and they were killed in a drone strike in 2011 by the united states in yemen. a lot of people thought that was the end of the road for the publication which started in 2010. not so fast, carol. they still continue publishing online and they call it open source jihad, a resource manual for those who loathe tyrants and includes bomb making materials which is why investigators in boston and beyond are so interested in learning more about this magazine. it is a step by step guide of how to make chemical explosions, mechanical explosions, and as you begin to unfold the layers of these pages, this is from the first issue where they dedicated ten pages of how to make a bomb in the kitchen of your mom. it says the ingredients are readily available and it is also important to put a quantity of small nails in the bomb. of course if you remember that bomb used in the boston mara