we are joined by mike allen, he is co-found err of axius, and the axius news letter, great to have youat to be here. >> rose: let me begin with general kelly, i thought that was a very, very emotional moment. >> we're hearing that inside a huge impact on the staff. one of the insiders of the white house saying that general kelly is looking like the moral core of the trump white house. that so many people watching his surprise appearance in the white house briefing room to say that discussions about conversations between families of the fallen and the president should be sacred. and of course, general kelly talking from very harsh personal experience lost a son, the greatest man that he knew, general kelly said, lost a son in combat. so he is experienced this, and charlie as your viewers saw, in the most clinical term, walking through what happens when a soldier is lost, how is he brought back? how is the family known? i should he is trying to shock both the public and the press into saying it is not a normal like punching bag partisan sport. >> rose: partisan politics. >> yes but who s

so "the washington post" and axius are reporting that the president could spend a lot of his own money. i think they put it at $430 million for legal team and white house staff. some have concerns about this and i'm wondering if you do as well. >> well, the rules allow this spending from the -- for the republican national committee to pay legal bills also for, you know, the president and don jr. through its legal and compliance fund. >> the president directly can do it? >> no. the republican national committee has been paying some legal bills through its legal and compliance fund. so i think it is not unheard of in some other areas where staff is being investigated for congressman perhaps to pay legal fees for a staffer under investigation. but whether or not -- if you're asking me. the ethics and we are not talking about what a law may be, but certainly it has a strained appearance when somebody is paying the legal bills for somebody whose testimony might be injurious to you. let's balance that. you have a very wealthy president for whom $480,000 is not a lot of money and you have sta