. >> host: ayaan john dinges and i am talking with eduardo galeano and we are talking about his book, "mirrors." edgardo is particularly important in latin america because he has captured the long history of repression and exploitation immigration and conquests and done this and a number of books and that wasn't enough just to talk about latin america. he's now taken on the history of the world with his new book, "mirrors." i wanted, as we broke we were talking about your way of putting these stories together. one of the people i guess it was an interview that i read in which you were talking about your way of writing and you use the word [inaudible] rich is feeling thinking. >> guest: it's a language, a feeling, thinking of the language. a language able to express the mind and the heart. >> host: how do you collect your stories so that you actually have those vignettes of 30 or 40 lines? >> trying to unite the mind and the heart and the horrors and marvels of life because if i would be just a writer writing about repression and death and the terrible life of so many people who are li

>> it's the fatty part of the chicken fried in a manufacturing plant, rafer ayaan de restaurant the red sauce, what is it? fat and sugar. the white creamy sauce, fat and salt. schumer, it tastes good. what is it? fat on fat on fact, sugar on fact. i could go through an entire basket. the food industry said all we are doing is giving consumers what they want. that's the argument. he we now know what is going on as our brains are being hijacked. let's put this together clinically so everyone understands the cycle of consumption. how does it work? past memory, past experience is. that learning, the learning circuits of the brain get activated so you get queued. dennett que activates the brain circuitry and arouses you, it grabs your attention and locks you and and then you consume the food and then the next time you get queued what do you do? you do it again and every time you engage in that cycle, you strengthen the nero circuits and come back for more. so you all remember path of, you understand the condition behavior's but this is more than conditioned behavior is and this is the scienc

. >> host: ayaan in the middle of a campaign people. [laughter] >> guest: and i felt like couldn't say who i was because i would be on the news or the papers and i just wanted to be anonymous and and and she was a little weight with me like why are you not wasting my time if you're not going to kill yourself but why are you calling? i said i just needed someone to talk to, so she was a little annoyed with me. she did do a good thing. i just needed to be anonymous and get it off my chest. >> host: after being very public in the campaign. here's a low point. perhaps for you. i want everybody to listen to this low point because it is a low point for the country. let me read from ms. cahill. the holiday season was always reminded me how little we had and how unfair i felt that was to my children. she's talking about her own three children now. they were all some of little kids and i felt so guilty no matter how hard i worked there was never enough. you're talking about a mother that was a schoolteacher and worked three jobs, people, in orde

. >> host: ayaan ralph peterson, and we are having a great time today, at least i am, talking with nicholas speed, the author of "to live or to perish forever" a superb and remarkably timely book on his two recent years and pakistan, a country very much in the headlines and is granted dominate headlines for some time to come. nick, one of the striking things about this series of tales is the time spent with taliban of fighting drugs with pakistanis but the other side of the taliban, the enforcers, people bringing sharia law to the northwest frontier and perhaps you could start us off by just telling us how you got there, introduce, something you could read from this book that will explain how you got in there. >> guest: the first thing is we were talking last time about abdul aziz ghazi. after he died he'd been my introduction to all of these and after ghazi died i wrote a piece titled farewell my jihadi friend, which was sort of a single off to this guy who helped at a complex time in my life. the article was published in urdo so even though he had been killed there was still this article