ayatollah khamenei did not have anything like that. he had the view that islam was everything and individual rights very often had to be superceded to that. i think in that respect they were very fundamentally different. but there are some striking parallels and one of the interesting parallels is that both of these men were misfits. in some ways they were very unusual in their religious beliefs. john paul ii had an intense mystical relationship to christ and the virgin mary. he was not your ordinary priest. his beliefs went off into some really amazing and unconventional realms. ayatollah khamenei was a practitioner and mystical in his belief things along the lines of what we would call sufi is some in sunni islam. there were many other clerics who regarded him as the protection shin or of some forbid nor suspect ideas. what is very interesting is the way that matches -- mysticism can lead to political activism by showing you the perfectibility of man. there are a whole bunch of different things that are very complex but if you think

ayatollah.whenever one of the other says a the end of the day, it will decide where they are going. he has not decided to let go of the nuclear power. that is why i am very reticent to believe that he will go far as policy. lou:s this an effort anan effective attempt to block his power from reaching out further? >> well, in order to acquiesce i think it is important that the ayatollah actually a line with whatever the ultimate outcome will be, but i think what this does is gives us a good indication of just tell the political leaders are split. who actually has his hands on power? is the ayatollah. he is the guy that makes the foreign policy decisions, the guy in charge of the military, the guy in charge of the judiciary system. lou: but that has been the contract since 1979, and point of fact. what is different here is we are talking about a split within the iranian top echelon mall simultaneously the obama administration is accused of being cavalier and, in fact, reckless with the negotiation

fascinated by the with a legacy that ayatollah established continues to shape that country today very clearly. >> host: and particularly relevant, another presidential election coming up in just a few weeks in june, and that think you'll see that tension is of as americans continued to a struggle with the question of who really makes decisions in today's islamic republic. you can we negotiate with. and that is another striking thing. the internal american positions at the highest level, the u.s. government over how we should approach this new more threatening iran. and you chronicle how the secretary of state had one point of view, much more in favor of negotiating a more conciliatory stance. you could be writing a story you could read page. >> guest: those things are very similar. the thing that was new, of course, nobody ever encountered an islamic revelation -- revolutionary movement like this. people at the time, there were looking for all kinds of comparisons, people comparing ayatollah to ghandi, wherever comparison, he is a religious leader. pretty much as simple. and when you

and while there's no proof that republican senators are secretly asking ayatollah khomeini to violate the terms of this weekend's nuclear deal their obsession with slamming iran with more saying this is just as dangerous we know what happened the last of a deal with iran fell through because a republican sabotage who knows what could happen this time. a long term iranian nuclear deal would be a once in a generation chance for the united states to rethink its foreign policy president obama should go forward but he should watch his back because if history tells us anything it's that republicans are more than willing to betray their country for a little short term political gain. and that's the way it is now it's tuesday december third twenty third t. and oprah did tom's new book the crash of twenty sixteen the plot to destroy america and what we can do is stop it is now available for purchase at all on line retailers and at your local bookstore go to your local bookstore to get it and you can read it for free at your local library. and you should really read this book and if you haven't

there is no difference between rouhani and the ayatollah on the nuclear ram. the ayatollah killed iranians who were asking for honest elections and more say in their lives? has he ever criticized the regime for putting people in jail and executing them randomly? no. when he was the negotiator in 2004, the current president, he bragged about the advancements under his watch of their nuclear program. so they're mistaken. there are no moderates in the government when it comes to iran, and i think the obama administration -- like this and other things -- are misreading the tea leaves. martha: i want to play an an exchange with your colleague, john mccain, who got very exasperated -- john kerry, who got very exasperated the other day. >> do you believe it is the goal of the supreme leader to destroy israel and the united states? >> well, you know, when you say do i believe, do i believe, i think their rhetoric is dangerous and threatening and, you know, incredibly counterproductive and damaging to any potential sort of rational relationship. martha: what do you thi

articles in their trotskyite journals explaining why the masses were temporarily being seduced by ayatollah khamenei. in the end he said they were completely flummoxed. he basically said this was the end of the lot of communist and socialist believers in the middle east because it just ceased to be a viable alternative. people didn't want it. >> host: i think that's an important note for us and on. we are almost out of time but not entirely. i want to bring out this question we were debating before which is what is not in the book one of the most significant things were talking about. there's a great other book for someone in the rise of the personal computer which happened in 1979 time period battisti technology is playing a role even backstage in the hands of this new order? >> guest: absolutely. the rise of telecommunications is important. ayatollah khamenei was in exile for much of the iranian revolution be communicated through the state-of-the-art telephone switching system that have been installed by the americans for the shah. you could call anyone in iran at a moments notice and it

you reduce sanctions, which is the essce of the deal, you have taken all the pressure e ay any the ayatollah to, in way, roll back the program. on the issue of us walking away 10 years ago, we have not engaged with the iranians. the europeans have for 10 years nonstop. they have gotten nowhere. , and i do not know but the, alternative is. thehe 20% enriched uranium is not diluted, it is turned into an oxide. it can then be completely chemically reversed and become active any time the iranians want. in the older negotiations, we talked about shipping it out to france and russia. iran can access it and activate it overnight. willcreasing the sanctions also probably not stop them from getting a nuclear weapon. the american people have made it clear. they want negotiations. they are not interested in war. remember what happened in syria when obama talked about striking syria. to it to the congress endorse it. he was about to lose that vote, just as cameron lost that vote in the united kingdom. the fact of the matter is, the u.s. citizens are not prepared to go to war with iran. >> we are not the

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a lot of people second guessing and maybe including ayatollah common name. and. obama administration is gonna have a helluva time getting anything productive through congress at the end of the day. so we're a long way from the final deal. this is just the beginning of the beginning. beginning as the beginning. nonetheless to see a thaw in relations. well yes there is because relations was so bad before i mean you have to remember that people drowned when the new job who was present for the last two times. i mean you look at him a new thought this is a crazy man probably in charge of the crazy country. and now i think people feel much more coke accountable in the united states with this sort of a particular almost grandfather lead rope on the coming forth. danny seems so reasonable and probably as reasonable compared to happen in a medina job. but um but at the end of the day. there are strategic imperatives and ambitions that iran has that are hard to argue with in the nuclear program is part of those and its nuclear programme of raw honey is us charm offensive i

one hundred kilometers away travelling at six hundred kilometers per hour the wave would reach the ayatollah in just ten minutes. to read so close tomorrow so far from the haiti twelve hundred kilometers away. yet here in the united states that's really a pretty astonishing thing when an organization like we're used to doing work on behalf of writers around the world who are subject to censorship. because they know that in china in iran they're going to be jailed for a right they were not used to that here at home and i think that needs to sink in the courts and in the congress to recognize that we really are trading away some fundamental values potentially you know if you do if you're a person under surveillance and you can be free and i think that it's not just beginning to make a connection with people this is a terrible thing to be happening in our country to have this massive system and really to the world massive system where a few people in complete secrecy can monitor anyone in the world and let's be clear if we look at the obama administration's rationale for who are terrorists they

when the ayatollah says we've sworn off nuclear weapons i think the of rainy and must look at that middle east and say you know what do we gain if we build an atom bomb if we get an atom bomb then the israelis will put their nuclear arsenal on a hair trigger the saudis will get atom bombs from the pakistanis the turks won't let us be the only nuclear power in this region they will build a bomb the egyptians might have a bomb the americans will have all their warships some of them armed with nuclear weapons in our neighborhood and if god forbid some atomic weapon went off anywhere in the world everybody would blame us without looking at the evidence and they would attack us so what would an atom bomb for us do look at north korea they may be isolated they're isolated they're sanctioned they are alone they are despised and look at china which has come out and engage the world and look how they have done and so i think the if i were out in a rainy and i would say why don't we go to china road rather than the north korea road because we're eighty million people eighty five million we will bec

of hardliners within iran who also aren't in favor of the deal but the country's supreme leader ayatollah khamenei has xpress his full support to the negotiators mohammad marandi a professor at the university of tehran thinks the majority of iranians see agree see the agreement as beneficial the overwhelming majority of politicians and. political parties and political leaders in this country have come out in support of the negotiations and the deal the important thing is that iran is enriching uranium today it is continuing to do research and improving its technological capabilities within the framework of the n.p.t. and in fact the fact that iran is halting uranium enrichment to twenty percent is something that iran actually wants because it's very expensive and the iranians have produced the fuel that it needs for the taliban reactor that produces medical isotopes for cancer patients so the iranians have already produced enough nuclear fuel through enriching uranium at twenty percent it no longer needs it so halting that is actually an advantage for iran because it does not want excess

iran supreme leader ayatollah ali khamenei warned his country will not back down one aisle and it's trying to maintain some new clean facilities including its head he wanted the accent according to the vine speak in tongues parliament. i mean he has characterized the negotiations as a full scale will take place at the diplomatic front. despite the management and such with mom thinks i continue to express optimism that this plant will make progress three in a hostile consultation on monday morning with the eu also shows the head of the iranian indication in the next in the mood. it's that i can because hello this is the distance is the best suited to the us to continue i was closer to a deal. i do hope that we have the deal at the end of today. the autumn your options. the target date for implementation is genuine twenty s the toll hike piece declaring bearing tend to result being constantly upon sleepy and grant her peace on the issue nation. mission am reporting to us from geneva this trial has said freeing twenty six long serving palestinian prisoners as part of the u s brokered peace de

fact that there is one man that governs iran and just makes all the decisions, and that guy is the ayatollah. and now that rouhani is a hard-liner -- by the way, as the senator from south carolina just mentioned, bragged, bragged about how he deceived the americans when he was the negotiator and the other countries when he was the negotiator for iran. now he's the moderate. now he's the good guy. so all this is just -- is forgot. but i -- is froth. but i guess the other point that really needs to be made that we forget, in syria and in iran, this administration, this president and this secretary of state look at their -- at these countries as an arms control issue. they look at syria as an arms control issue, while from helicopters they are dropping bombs that are killing and massacring women and children while they are doing -- committing the most atrocious acts. on the one hand, we -- the secretary of state and his friend sergay vladarov are removing chesapeake from syria while plane loads of weapons fly into damascus and they kill people. and i'm not sure whether a mother in syria can dis

of the reagan administration to reach out to have leverage in side the islamic republic after the ayatollah khamenei died. when we look at the president of on this first inaugural address, let me backtrack. recent history is 1,000 years ago but in the united states going back for years it is ancient history but people don't think about moving 1,000 miles away. but to ask iran to stretch out that with george h. w. bush that is much of the same theme we don't need to assume this must go on forever. twice i can think of a time when the republic shot -- shifted positions with what it would take to release the american end hostages the second is what it would take to end the iran-iraq war. if you read what warren christopher edited with different chapters contributed by all different policy makers and so forth forth, they came to a basic conclusion it was persistence of diplomacy that led to the release of the hostages. the late peter bobbins wrote in 1981 that they got it backwards that the key episode that led to the committee changes his mind is saddam hussain invaded iran and had increased e

he is a ruthless dictator, and the ayatollah is behind him calling the shots. we have seen that getting tough with iran has been able to cripple its economy, and it's gotten them to a very weak currency, and now they have nowhere else to go. they need this escape, and they see a very hungry, eager united states willing to barter away with this regime. and we're really giving away the store. so i know that secretary kerry will do his best, but we believe that strong sanctions and diplomacy, but strong sanctions will work. jon: what do you think is the motivation for the administration at this point in time to ease up on the sanctions? >> well, i think that the president in his second term, as many presidents have, they feel the need to build on their legacy. and i think that he has a burning desire to earn that nobel peace prize that was prematurely given to him. and he's done it with syria. we signed this accord thinking that they're going to get rid of their chemical weapons and with russia being the lead, taking the lead when russia has been part of the probl

but ayatollah khamenei said the agreement. >> a good agreement has something in it for both sides, otherwise they wouldn't agree. otherwise it's a capitulation or a stalemate. they are things that iran is happy with. it can read some of the language in the agreement to say there's an implied right of enrichment. secretary of state john kerry is right in saying there's no recognition of that right in this language. it's proof that there was an agreement that may hold because both sides got something they wanted. and can sell. >> are you optimistic that as we move forward it will lead to a permanent solution. >> i am optimistic for the reasons i wrote about, i think a lot of this has to do with domestic politics, and for the first time since president obama was elected, the domestic politics in iran create an opening for an agreement. the sanctions we have imposed have had an impact. the iranian people are saying to their leaders, "we need relief", and we have a president who is pragmatic. he's not soft, president hassan rouhani. he's practices mattic and put it together with president barack

the ayatollah. >> i can't comment on the inner workings. i couldn't tell you that for certain. >> but you're fascinated by his operation. >> and it is something but you have to be aware of. i think that for us, for me, this is about instability. is it creating more instability? >> i will leave you with this, i know you have meetings to get to. it is interesting that we have now and play diplomatically, israelis, palestinians, russia, and it ran in negotiations with the -- the p5 plus one taking at the same time. these parties are somehow connected. it connects them to hezbollah, who was fighting in syria. and the saudi's are watching with great concern. it just goes on and on. all those forces, which have this enormous -- but things are in motion now which would seem to be perhaps a good thing. >> all of us in uniform, i can't speak for everyone. a large majority would say we are always happy, but we are trying to come with the mic solutions to these problems. i think it is always important. it is never bad to talk to people to see if we ca

if robert deniro wants to play the ayatollah in a movie, who does he go to get permission to do that? in the whole world. >> the iranian parliament, i don't know. >> you got to get permission if you are going to proep rate someone else's culture. >> first time i've heard of this. katy perry, i mean, the song was in context, nice costumes. it's almost like an homage. it makes you want to go there. >> this is not about katy perry. this is about liberals who on halloween decide kids can't wear cowboy outfits or indian outfits. with katy perry, she's apparently proep rating japanese culture. she's playing a gash sha. that's a woman who is subservient to men. a gash sha tries to please men and make them happy. in liberal circles playing such a woman is a felony. if katy perry were wearing that exact same outfit on that same stage but were kicking men in the head, she would be a feminist icon. >> let me stop you. so if katy perry were. >> it isn't just the japanese culture. she's playing a subservient woman. >> i got it. >> liberals can't tolerate that. they are the cultural police, bill. t

. >> i think the last of the evil picks was the ayatollah after the iranian revolution in the late '70s. so i'm interested to see how did they actually frame these issues back in the day, how did they get the joseph stalin -- >> that is the difference. >> ultimately, when time magazine shows activist of the year, if we're talking about nelson mandela, see, that is what he was about. he said it is about the movements, not about the man, and that is really what makes it -- >> there was a protester in 2011, which is of course the year of the occupied and the egyptian -- i actually thought it was a good non-figurehead pick. and amy goodman, thank you all, that is all for this evening. >> good evening, thank you, my friend, thank you for joining us this hour. up all night! and apparently it is not just tonight. they're going to be up all night tonight, which is only wednesday. and then they're going to be up all night tomorrow and then they will be up all night the night after that. they are going to be up all night all the way from now until saturday. that is the plan. they are doing it aga

. >> there is no difference between rohani and the ayatollah.when it comes to iran. >> that's the view we shouldn't be doing this negotiation at all. when you talk to obama security officials, it doesn't matter whether there are moderates or not in iran, it matters if we can force them to do what we want. >> it is what senator graham did, these people will create the biggest strategic blunder for u.s. foreign policy since the invasion of iraq. to quote one white house official, this is not another crank at the wheel at sanctions. this is a fragile moment where we are going to be either on a war track with iran or have an opportunity to move iran in a very wholistic way. >> do you think the democrats on the way are posturing or are they open to blowing up in deal the president reached? >> there are some democrats that are quite sincere in their belief that only more and more and more sanctions is only the right policy. we now see some rumors that bob ma mendez is backing off. right now it's the democrats in this debate that matter more than the r

so if robert de niro wants to play the ayatollah khomeini in a movie, who does he go to get permission all muslims in the whole world? >> the iranian parliament, i think. they got to pass, you know. >> i don't know. but you got to get permission if you're going to appropriate somebody else's culture. you can't do it without permission. >> i've never heard of this. i never. this is the first time i've ever heard of this. but perry, katy perry, i mean, the song was in context. nice costumes. it's almost like a homage. it makes you want to go to japan. >> exactly. >> spend some money there and learn about the culture, right? >> here is the thing, bill. this is not about katy perry. this is about liberals who on halloween, for instance, decide that kids can't wear cowboy outfits or indian outfits because it's appropriating cowboy culture or indian culture. and with katy perry, she is apparently appropriating japanese culture. but that's not what it's really about at all. she is not playing just any old japanese woman. she is playing a geisha, right? and a geisha is a woman who was subservi

the add adviser for ayatollah co-menny told them the situation is ready to reach a agreement with worldy pulled out of further talks to protest how sanctions are being enforced. >>> don't expect to see president obama at the winter olympics in sochi, russia. the white house announced that the commander in chief won't be attending and neither will be the first lady, the vice president or any former president for that matter. instead, the administration plans to send a delegation, including tennis great billie jean king who is openly gay, pretty symbolic. >> no president or vice president, or former vice president from the government has gone to the olympics. a clear signal -- >> it will be interesting to see how vladimir putin and the russians react to this. >>> coming up, disturbing new details released in a deadly school shooting. how a colorado student may have mapped out his revenge. >>> plus, a teenager checking into a hospital for a routine procedure now on life support. what went so wrong. we're going to have that story and more just ahead. >> this is terrifying. splenda® lets you

if we pass the types of serious sanctions that could really undermine their economy and give the ayatollah choice, and we had that sitting there as a hammer, then we could say, look, if you're out of compliance, then this befall you. we know those sangs can work. we saw sanctions work on south africa, right, when congress passed sanctions on south africa. it forced their handle on apartheid and on giving up the nuclear weapon, which south africa had at the time. >> it doesn't soubd like you and secretary kerry are that far apart. let me mr. play you something of what he said last night at an american jewish joint distribution committee speech. let me play the remarks and have you react to them. >> if we get to the end of the six months and they don't do the simple things you need to do to prove your program is peaceful, then we will have kept you nighted the pcs -- p5 plus 1. we will show them the way to do what they need to do through dimt si, and we will not have taken any sanction off the table, can ratchet them um when we want. >> it sound like you and secretary kerry aren't that far a

look up very close in the long time time believes that agreement remains unlikely that's because ayatollah ali khamenei. hates america is fundamentally time to start doing that tehran wants a nuclear weapons capability comes down to it though so the french a weekly any magazines of the korea international are they going from page one year three semester now it's the new recruits awesome of course from around the world hear the theme is climate change you can see the cover that the tall decaf this post. now that's come in the workplace in italy could see it on is trying in french but also the website said. the whole day eight we live in that weather catastrophes. now it's on getting that while climate change may not explain everything will be school with typing high and in the philippines where he was simply dumb. when the swings and for the global population about this that the good the way these costs has a calming force how fast on how to its tail. now it's looks that bangladeshis climate refugees and not um um optical. two out of namibia which is going through its most now seen the team

i thought as i listened to this that he was perhaps laying the ground for the ayatollah khomeini eventually if he decides iran has not got what he wants to renounce the interim deal and say it was misrepresented to me by the foreign minister. >> brown: president rouhani of course got a lot of-- for taking far more conciliatory views and statements than his predecessor. but the question that you are raising, for policymakers is how strong still is this hard line faction. >> i think there's no way for any of us to know. i asked this hard line person close to the supreme leader, do you think compromise with the west is possible on the nuclear deal. and he answered directly, no, i don't think it is. i think this is a matter of identity. we don't know if the supreme leader himself believes that, clearly rouhani the president doesn't. he authorized these negotiations, he told me back in september when i interviewed him in new york at the u.n. general assembly he thought this interim deal could be done in three months. it was done even more quickly, i thought at the time it couldn't possibly be so

. >> ayatollah, it is said .. >> i can't comment on the inner workings i couldn't tell you that for certain. >> rose: but you are fascinated by his operation and you have to be as part of your own responsibility. >> that's right. it is something you just have to be aware of and i think for us, again, for me, again, this is about instability, and we have to watch very carefully. >> rose: it is interesting and i will leave you with this, you have meetings to go to, it is interesting to me we have now in play diplomatically palestine, sir i can't chemical als weapon, and iranian negotiations with e-5 plus one taking place at the same time. >> yes. >> and all of these parties are somehow connected, as we said, iran has a certain interest in assad, and it connects them to hezbollah, and hezbollah is fighting in syria. >> right. >> rose: and the saudis are watching with great concern, and a lot of -- and it just goes on and on and on, and it just -- all of those forces which have this enormous lethal powers and if this spreads, at the same time diplomatically things are in motion now which would

that might reset our resolve as a nation is for the congress to impose additional sanctions so the ayatollahs will not be confused by our lack of will in syria when it comes to their nuclear program, that the bottom line here is that after our debacle in syria, don't you think we have a problem with the iranian regime of taking us serious? the interna -- the international regime is breaking the sanctions and if know sanctions were imposed in a bipartisan way, that is the best way to reset the debate. mr. mccain: i'd also point out if we are looking for one bright spot, i would point out that we see countries in the gulf in the middle east aligning with israel in a way that we have never seen before. and shouldn't we listen? shouldn't we listen to the prime minister of israel that's the first target of iran, the country that the iranians said and have not renounced their commitment to -- quote -- "wiping off the map"? you think that maybe relations between ourselves and israel are at the lowest ebb? do you think it is an accident when now saudis and leaders of other countries are outspoken in

why would you want to let the ayatollahs have the ability to enrich and hope the u.n.p them? that's not an acceptable out come. >> reporter: the administration is calling for none of those proposed steps in its negotiations with iran. this weekend, president obama once again said he can live with uranium enrichment on iranian soil. >> we can envision an end state that gives us an assurance that even if they have some modest enrichment capability, it is so constrained and the inspections are so intrusive that they, as a practical matter, do not have breakout capacity. >> reporter: the administration gained some grudging support for diplomacy with iran from its harshest critics so far, israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu. >> israel is prepared to do what is necessary to defend itself. we share president obama's preference to see iran's nuclear weapons program end through diplomacy. >> senate aides tell me it's the view of the senators on the hill that these new sanctions would only strengthen the administration's hand at the negotiating table. that is certainly not

the striking to say about ayatollah in iran but that it true. i wonder really if you look at the country, even with its wealth, and the amazing achievement, maybe one could say is the qataris. if you take them out of the equation, at about saudi arabia is punching the lowest rate. in the base is punching above its readers when it was spending all the money to spread extremist ideology so you had wahhabi imams and mosques and wahhabi schools growing up in indonesia. so that was not a good name. >> i'm not casting a judgment value. the point of the article was if you have those resources and words saudi arabia and share those goals, you certainly could do better. again, i'm not saying that what he and the u.s. interest certainly. i'm trying to clinically analyze it. an important point is that i think especially since 2011, but i think it preceded this, the region had looked into the multidimensional polar competition for power. he talked about saudi arabia versus qatar. that's one feature of it. you look at turkey's role and how it in many ways di

bill was over in the senate which would have probably imploded the economy in iran or given the ayatollah choice between true compromise on his program or economic collapse. i think they wanted to avoid that hard consequence of confrontation. so they, they chose to try to negotiate this. bill: all right. second question. >> not in a way i think is verifiable. go ahead. bill: can congress torpedo the deal? >> we don't want to torpedo the deal. we want to strengthen the deal in this sense, bill. we have sanctions legislation in the senate, bipartisan support, democrats and republicans frankly will put the pressure in place a hammer, if you will, which we say, look, if you violate this interim agreement, this hammer will come down in six months and the types of sanctions you will be looking at are the types of sanctions the world put on south africa. bill: is that something that the president would have to sign? >> no. bill: already we're hearing some give from democrats on the senate side. they talk kind of like the way you're talking frankly. >> the president can veto that but remember, be

the striking thing to say about the ayatollahs in iran. but it's true. i wonder really if you look at the country, even with the 12, the amazing achievement maybe one could say is the qataris. if you take them out of the equation, at about saudi arabia is punching hello it's me. in the days when i was punching above its weight, that was when it was raining all this money to spread extremist ideology say you had wahhabi imams and mosques and wahhabi schools growing up in indonesia. so that was not a good thing. >> i'm not casting a judgment value. i'm sitting in terms of the article is if you measure, if you have those resources in u.n. saudi arabia ensured those goals and you certainly could do better. again, i'm not saying that would be for u.s. interest certainly. i'm trying to critically analyze it, which is due in the region right now. an important point i think especially since 2011, that preceded this, the region have for into the multidimensional mmo seed polar power. talk about saudi arabia versus qatar. you look at turkey's role and its purporte

before the agreement in geneva, the supreme leader, ayatollah khamenei, spoke about jewish , ande as pigs and dogs israel will disappear. and i did not see any protest of any political leader in europe. made very strong -- very strong expression about this on able nazi- -- unaccept style accusations against israel and the jews. i think this is something he should pay attention, and we iraniannian -- intentions. lebanon, in a rack iraq. and of course their nuclear ambitions. know, we have you all of this philosophy, something that brings all of to a very, very bad today, and what we have we can say today really openly we in the beginning caused a , today what wece have with egypt and turkey and saudi arabia. part of this nuclear arms race. consequences -- it is even more serious than movies in hollywood. >> before i turned to the audience for your questions, i want to ask you one last question of my own. a moment ago you think it is important to turn down the -- if i understood you i- in the u.s.-israel negotiations. that made me think of a theme in the israeli press a lot -- >> you c

now,if they stop enriching in two months when there are ayatollah says we want nuclear 5apability, it them 1. months together. that is not acceptable. "usa today"ote in that the race to halt the nuclear ambitious iran is reminiscent of america's sprint to help north korea's department of weapons. iran constitutes a greater threat. you say to think of iran as any differently than north korea would be foolish. guest: iran is a much more dangerous foe. north korea has tended to keep it in check. they have russia, south korea. north korea is kept in check by china's ambitions. does not have that. there is no check on iran. there is no india-pakistan check. iran has no check but the u.s. and the sanctions. there is no country besides israel in a community that has or will have the thinking ability. that is why iran is -- to be frank, with iran's government driven by radical extremist muslims, that is different from a self-preservation mindset that north korea has. the old soviet model, that is different from iran's government. the iranians are still sponsoring terrorism, syria, ir aq, all

sort of striking thing to say about the ayatollah's iran. but i think it's true. so i wonder if really if you look at the country even with its wealth, the amazing achievement maybe one could say is the qataris. but if you take them out of the equation, i don't know if saudi arabia's really punching below its weight. in the days when it was punching way above its weight, that was when it was spending all this money to spread extremist ideology around the world. >> yeah, yeah. >> so that you had wahhabi imams in wahhabi mosques in wahhabi schools growing up in indonesia -- >> still have it. >> yeah. so that was not a good thing. >> yeah. no, and i'm not, i'm not casting a judgment value on it. i'm just saying in terms of, again, and i think the point of the article was that if you measure, if you had those resources and you were in saudi arabia and you shared those goals -- >> would you do better? >> yeah. then you certainly could do better. again, i'm saying that -- i'm not saying that would be good for u.s. interests, certainly. i'm just trying to clinically anal

again, even if they stop enriching right now, that doesn't mean within two months when their supreme ayatollah says we want nuclear capability, it takes them up and have to get there. that's unacceptable and that should be except the bolt to the international community, israel or the united states. >> you wrote in "usa today" that the nuclear ambitious iran is reminiscent of america's sprint more than two decades ago to halt north korea's development of nuclear weapons. iran constitutes an even greater threat to the world. to think of iran as any differently as would have in north korea would be foolish. explain. >> guest: absolutely. you ran the thing much more dangerous foe. or as korea has china to keep it in check. they have russia to some extent. south korea, north korea has kept in check you would hope by china, their ambitions economically and one in a peaceful resolution to the north and south korea. iran doesn't have it. there is no check on iran. there is to india, check. iran has no check at the sanctions because there is no country by israel in that community that has or will have