ayers books on education. "teaching toward freedom" is one of his books, another one is called the zero tolerance: resisting the driver punishment in our schools, we have a "teaching the personal and the political", essays on hope and justice, city kids in city schools -- these are books and edited by mr. ayers with several different contributors in this. this is city kids and city teachers, reports from the front row and the city kids and city schools, more reports on the front row. these are just some of his education books and we will get into some of his other books also as we go. this is "to teach" which also contains the myth of education -- what are some of the myths of education? in an era that 15 years ago and you're asking me to remember? [laughter] when i wrote the book i was taken with the attack that when you go to college is education and when you become a teacher you get kind of surrounded with the smiths and some of them are things like kids today are dividend kids ever were in the world feared

ayers' books on education. "teaching toward freedom" is one of his book, another one is called "zero tolerance: resisting the drive for punishment in our schools." we have teaching the personal and political, essays on hope and justice. "city kids and city schools," now, these are books that are edited. this is "city kids and city teachers" and this is more reports from the front row. these are just some of his education books, and we'll get into some of his other books, also, as we go. this is "to teach" which also includes the myth of education. what are some of the myths of education? >> guest: gosh, i wrote that 15 years ago. your asking me to remember? [laughter] >> host: yes, i am. >> guest: when i wrote the book, i was taken with the fact that when you go to college, it's about getting an education, when you become a teacher, you get surrounded by some of these myths, and some of them are like these are the toughest kids, the worst kids. that's been said by every generation ever, and now that i'm old i f

you're on with bill ayers. diane, you with us? >> caller: take every chance i get to tell people about no child left behind that requires children to take tests at grade level even if they're in special ed, and then the school is found nonproficient because the special ed children do not make their annual, yearly progress that compares their test scores to last year's students' test scores. it does not test how much they've learned. and i feel that it's an intended failure, the intent to fail public schools. >> guest: you know, the no child left behind is the federal legislation that i think is right now up for reauthorization, and even conservative critics like diane and chester finn have said if we reauthorize it in the current form, it's going to be the death of public education. it's going to mean that only a very tiny minority of kids are going to get an education for citizenship, an education for full participation in our society. we ought to reject it, we ought to reject it because of its single-minded obsession with standa

>> now, in depth with bill ayers. >> host: bill ayers, in your book, "to teach," you talk about teachers having a moral choice. what is that moral choice? >> guest: i think that teaching is profoundly ethical work, and the moral choice is to take the side of the students, to choose to see them as three dimensional creatures with hearts and minds and spirits that have to be both nourished and challenged, and to see yourself as somebody who is in the position of shepherding the choices of others, and that gives you a profound, i think, ethical responsibility. so part of it is to see the students whole, to see them as human beings not as interchangeable cogs in a machines, manipulatable, but to see them as human beings much like yourself and to open your eyes to that. >> host: as individuals? >> guest: as individuals and members of a community both, and that's one of the techs of teaching right there -- tensions of teaching right there. if you have 25 kids, you have a responsibility to see each kid as the one and only, indiewb lick bl. and that's essential. on the other hand, they're member

i'm just kidding. >> host: bill ayers the coe coauthor of this book. you're on will bill ayers. >> caller: in 1987, how can you go on with a piece of paper and a pen. go to the people of oakland. we are hively educated and we were illegal he evicted out of your piece. your people around here. i'm being evicted right now. the government took all me money, took away my medical. to back to 1968 when i was five and a half. the police tried to shoot me then. i'm trying everything possible. we are good people. the reason the white supremist is afraid because they made us a third party. we do the work and they take the money. open heart surgery and everything. so finally like a full investigation, where does the money go? so don't ruin our people. we don't have the -- so i'm asking, in god's name, june 19th. we are prisoners of our -- god bless and the lightness, and that's what it is. you guys are in control. you guys took my land and everything. we have no say-so. but i will die for any rights so therefore right now i have my medical insurance. so tell me w

and thank you -- >> host: bill ayers. sure. >> guest: i'll answer two of those questions or comments. on the question of the communist party funding the vietnam vets against the war, i don't know about it, but it may be true. but it makes me actually -- i've never been a supporter of the communist party, but if they gave the vietnam vets money against the war, it makes me warmer towards them. it reminds me of a friend of ours who founded the highlander folks school at the end of his life when he was dying we sat down with him, and we were going over pictures from the civil rights movement. highlander was the center of the civil rights activity in the south, and it was a marvelous place, and miles was a real hero in american history. but we were going through some pictures, and we found a picture of a billboard that was very popular in the south in the '60s, and it was a picture of martin luther king at a young age sitting at a highlander workshop, and the banner said martin luther king at communist training school. and mi

m host: what is your relationship to bill ayers? >> guest: he is my best friend, my partner, i adore him. he makes me laugh. >> host: is your husband? >> guest: it is fair to say we are married. >> host: bill ayers and bernardine. feingold the power of the have never seemed more powerful or full of themselves. in chicago we have rick sent kelly calling for his lanitionary key parties. the greatest line of the year so far, something like the bush administration tried to privatize schools and privatize social security. having failed to do so, .pivatize the united states treasury itself using henry paulson's park program. it is a bleak time. i don't mean to be a downer. i was wondering if you could comment, the famous line about propaganda, the mark of successful propaganda is when you can convince people that their own destruction is nktertainment of the highest order. i am hitting on tom frank, when whercan turn a class conscious proletariat, people can act against their best self-interest. i wonder if you can elaborate on those idea

ayers to reject his past in bomb making and terrorism. did he realize and does he realize even now that innocent people who had nothing to do with his target organizations could be hurt by such tactics, 1k3 ken decker the e-mails in, why does bill ayers think that bombing the u.s. capitol and police stations was a good idea? .. americans opposed the war. what happened? well, antiwar activists were part of the story. probably the least important except important to me because i was one. more important than that was the black freedom movement came out in large numbers to oppose the war. martin luther king certainly from 1965-'68, read his speeches. he calls the u.s. government the greatest purveyor of violence on earth. he calls for, he calls the war illegal. he risks all of his prestige and his allies to make the point that the war is wrong morally, ethically, that it's illegal, and that it's a travesty and a catastrophe for the world. he says in april 4, 1967, we need to get on the right side of the world revolution. i mean, it's hard to

. >> host: what's your relationship to bill ayers? >> guest: i ran into them 30 years ago and he is my best friend and i adore him. he make me laugh. >> is it fair to say he is your husband? >> guest: don't go that far. >> guest: it's fair to say we're married. >> host: okay, bill ayers and bernadine dohrn, our guests on in-depth. sean, in vancouver, washington, go ahead with you question. >> your book, the power elite have never seemed so purl and full of themselves, we have risk san tellly calling for the tea parties. melanie cline said something like the bush administration tried to privatize schools and privatize social security and having failed to do so just up and privatized the treasury itself using the t.a.r.p. program. so it's kind of a bleak time. i don't mean to be a downer but i was wondering if you could comment at all on -- there's that famous line about propaganda, that the mark of successful prom began days when you can convince the people their own destruction is entertainment of the highest order. i'm hitting on tom

ayers to respond? >> well, yes, would he prefer an educational system like the leader of venezuela, chavez? i know you praised m-chavez when you go down there, his educational system. would you like to should that here in america for the kids to denounce capitalism and go more for a marxist type of education? and thank you for -- >> guest: i will answer two of those questions or comments. the communist party funding the vietnam vets against the war, i don't know about it. it may be true but it make mess actually -- i have anyone been supporter of the communist party usa but if they gave the vietnam vets against the war money it makes he feel warmer towards them in an odds way. it reminds me of a friend of us, miles horton, who founded a school when he was dying. he sat down with him and were going over pictures from the civil rights movement. highlander was the center of the civil rights activities in the south and a marvelous place and miles was a real hero in american history. we were going through s

ayers to respond to what you just said? >> caller: well, yes, but would he prefer an educational system like, like the leader of venezuela, hugo chavez? because i know you praised mr. chavez when you go down there, his educational system. would you like to see that here in america for the kids to denounce capitalism and go more for a marxist type of education? and i'll -- thank you for -- >> host: bill ayers. >> guest: sure. i'll answer two of those questions or comments. on the question of the communist party funding the vietnam vets against the war, i don't know about it, but i'm -- it may be true. but it makes me actually, i've never been a supporter of the communist party of the usa, but if they gave the vietnam vets money against the war, it makes me feel warmer towards them in an odd way. it reminds me of a friend of ours who founded the highlander folk school. at the end of his life when he was dying, we were going over pictures from the civil rights movement. highlander was the center of the civil rights movement in

. >> host: texas plea go-ahead with your question for bill ayers. >> caller: whether the three or four important things for teachers to do too be assured that the students are learning? >> guest: i missed it. >> host: three or four most important things for a teacher to teach their student or be with their students in a classroom to when it is a huge question but simply i would say the intellectual challenge of teaching and ethical challenges to see your students as three-dimensional creatures like yourself with a heart, mind, spirit, aspiratio ns, goals taken into account. that is not easily done in a system that reduces kids to deficits and thrives of a toxic cabot of labeling. they are 80 h. d., adjusted endless swarm of labels but that does not get the part of the one and only. your job is to look through that confetti and see the actual human being before you. challenge number one. challenge number two, led to create an environment that is the deep enough and rich enough and wide enough so every child can find something familiar and stretch toward it. it is huge it is under taught

i am a fan of bill ayers's book a kind and just parent. also to say that bob dylan's on in law is coming to chicago on june 17th. you can google him, see where he is. i will give you my e-mail. my question, i have lived a long time too. most of the time change happens, change comes from something really bad. there are a lot of good things people wish for and long for and i keep hearing about this. why do we just write about it instead of doing something? good things before bad things happen. t you have anything to say on cw to make good things happen before bad things happen? >> change comes from the activity of people, the activity of citizens. and we have an administration for the first time. power exists from below. writing is a political act, speaking to one another, talking to strangers, those are political acts. learning to talk beyond the silo in front of us. some of us on worker's right. some of us on peace. a should recognize those things are united. coming together is the key thing. finding a way to change the dominant paradigm,

. >> i'm from chicago and i just have one question but first to say i'm a fan first of bill ayers bookind and just parent, so it addresses some of the things that the questions have been asking. also to say that bob dylan -- i'm thinking of bob dylan lately but his son-in-law is coming to chicago a week from wednesday, june 17th so like up peter, anyway. here's my question. i hear -- i have lived a long time, too i have just a few months till 60, and i have seen that most of the time change happens, change comes from something really bad. and i know there are a lot of good things that people wish for and long for and i keep hearing about this longing for, but why do we just write about it instead of doing something? the good things before the bad things happen would be a good idea to act i'm. i'm wondering what's this dynamic. >> guest: do you -- do you have anything to say? >> guest: well, i agree with you that change comes from the activity of people, the activity of citizens, and as i said earlier, thick we have an administration for the first time in memory that actually understand

please go ahead with your question for bill ayers. >> caller: yes. i want to know what are the three or four most important things for teachers to do to encourage their students to learn? >> host: thank you, cheetah. >> guest: i'm sorry, i missed it. >> host: three or four most important things for a teacher to teach their student or to be with their student in a classroom. >> guest: you know, it's a huge question, and we could spend the next several hours talking about it, but simply i would say this: the intellectual challenge of teaching, the intellectual and ethical challenge of teaching is to see your students as three-dimensional creatures, much like yourself. people with aspirations, goals that have to be taken into account. that's not easily done in a system that reduces kids to deficits and that kind of thrives on a toxic habit of labeling. so we have kids who are bd, ebh, ld, tag, it's just an endless warm of labels. but that doesn't get at the heart of this, you know, one and only who will ever trod the earth. so your job is to look throug

he joins booktv for an in depth interview from the printer's row lit fest in chicago. >> host: bill ayers, in your book "to teach," you talk about teachers having a moral choice. what is that moral choice? >> guest: i think that teaching is profoundly ethical work, and the moral choice is to take the side of the students, see them as three-dimensional people with hearts and minds and spirits, and to see yourself as somebody who is in the position of shepherding the choices of others. and that gives you a very profound, i think, ethical responsibility. so part of it is to see the students whole, to see them as human beings, not as little inteha

. >> host: a little bit more than halfway through our in-depth on book tv with bill ayers. we're going to take a short break. we're live from chicago with a studio audience and we will be back with your phone calls and more questions from the audience. [inaudible conversations] >> when i arrived here' and was looking four your office, someone told me it's easy to find because you have all of these things attached to your door, and they tell a lot about my interests which are eclectic, and ever-changing. so this wall here next to my office -- and that wall, what happens is that as things strike my attention and i put them up here, eventually this wall will be covered by clippings and things i find that it think are worth sharing. my students, who are waiting for office hours, will sit out here and i figure i will give them a whole political education. some of it, of course, is just personal stuff. this is one of my son's plays at juliard. and then the wall grows, there's martin luther king with a powerful quote from may 1967. and so on. and so the wall grows, and then at som

william ayers, the unrepent tant terrorist recruletted him. by these document, acorn is working on the census and at a minimum providing temporary employees to work on the census to count the people. we know what's happened to our election process, it's been corrupted. by the way, there are news reports of fraudulent votes and prosecutions on fraudulent votes and people that voted multiple times that were enabled by the registrations of acorn. some of that, madam speaker, is in the news today. so i revere this election process and i would rather lose elections than i would lose the integrity of the election process. i'm happy enough to accept the results of a legitimate census, no matter what it is. if it draws a district out of iowa, i'll lament that. i want to have the most representation possible from iowa. but we've got to have a real count. we've got to deal with integrity. when we have corrupt organizations with the trappings of a criminal enterprise this congress should shut off funding to that criminal enterprise. but instead we don't

and on sunday bill ayers, university of illinois professor. we will discuss his latest book. he will take your calls as well as questions from the audience at the literary festival. for a complete schedule of programs and times, go on line. >> now a portion of a rally marking the 20th anniversary of the tiananmen square protests in beijing, china. hundreds were killed in the government crackdown that followed. the event was held on the west lawn of the u.s. capitol building. >> jim, are you ready? >> i am ready. i would like to welcome you to the 20th commemoration anniversary of the tiananmen square movement. we are here to remember the brave and honor the fallen. we are here to call for truth, because truth is the underbelly of tyranny and it's the most powerful sort of freedom. to bring invocation and true to our work, i would like to call rev. bob to give the indication. bob. >>[applause] >> let's pray. temple[speaking in a foreign-lae ] [speaking in foreign language] amen. dear heavenly father, today on this special occasion, we come before you with praise and worship in

. >> host: bernadine dohrn, bill ayers have been our guests. thank you both very much. [applause] ... founding editor of on-line news website frontpage magazine presents an appraisal of higher education based on a multi-year investigation of college curriculum. this event held at the four seasons hotel in los angeles is a little over an hour. >> six years ago i launched a campaign for an academic bill of rights. a campaign for academic freedom. on monday aye shibley headed for chicago with the trustees of the college of dupage, which is jim belushi is all modern are going to adopt or voted to adopt a version of the academic bill of rights. the academic bill of rights was a very modest proposal that basically said if there's a controversial issue, if the subject is a matter of opinion, then students should get to hear both sides of the controversy. that they should be able to read books with more than one perspective. that would seem like a very simple thing. i can tell you that the number of liberals who have supported this modest proposal i can number on half the finge

kent yesterday, june 24, 2009, at 4:30 p.m., at devens federal medical center, ayers, massachusetts, accompanied by a statement of resignation executed by judge samuel b. kent following service of the summons, and to be effective june 30, 2009. the presiding officer: the return of service and accompanying statement of resignation will be spread upon the journal and printed in the record. the majority leader is recognized. mr. reid: i ask unanimous consent that the secretary of the senate be directed to deliver the original statement of resignation executed by judge samuel b. kent on june 24, 2009, to the president of the united states and to send a certified copy of the statement of resignation to the house of representatives. i further ask consent that a copy of the statement of resignation be referred to the impeachment trial committee on the articles against judge samuel b. kent established by the senate on june 24, 2009. the presiding officer: without objection. mr. reid: madam president? the presiding officer: the majority leader. mr. reid: the senate is not having a quorum call

and live on sunday, bill ayers. his latest book is "race course." for a complete schedule, go online to booktv.org. >> now a house hearing on state secrets. the chairman is co-author of legislation to make it harder for the state secrets privilege. this is about 90 minutes. >> the hearing will come to order. today's hearing will examine the state secrets privilege. the chart recognizes himself. the legislation that i have introduced with other members of the committee would codify a uniform standards with dealing with claims of the state secrets privilege in civil litigation. the last congress at an oversight hearing. our experience has demonstrated destructive impact that secrecy can have on our nation. for the rule of law to have meaning, liberties and rights must be enforceable in the courts. separations of powers concerns are highest with regard to executive branch contact. -- conduct. claims of secrecy have been used to conceal matters from congress. that has been the case with respect to the use of torture, use of illegal spying of americans,

bill ayers talks about his new book, a good race course against white supremacy -- "racecourse against what supremacy." >> how is c-span funded? >> private donations. >> taxpayers. >> i do not really know. >> from public television. >> donations. >> i do not know where money comes from. >> it comes from donors. >> 30 years ago, america's cable companies created c-span as a public-service, a private service initiative, no government mandate, no government money. >> the rand corp. and washington host to this event. this is one hour. >> we have with us to people who ideally situated to speak to these two issues. we're going to start by talking about the domestic political scene on the eve of the presidential election then the vulnerability is of the economy. i will not go through their biographies, which have before you, in the inte

taken in by obama's false halo-istic presence and all the attachments to the wrong people, william ayersthe reverend wright did not matter one iota. [applause] obama as a candidate portrayed himself as a moderate but turned out to be wildly radical.

. >> host: bernadine dohrn, bill ayers have been our guests. thank you both very much. [applause] >> i have written a book called "the next hundred years" which is the most presumptuous the book you could possibly imagine. in one sense it is certainly how can i possibly know what will happen in the next 100 years. but in another sense the reason i have tried to create this book is to get a sense of this moment. when i talk about the next hundred years i want to think what are the forces that are real, permanent, not today's crises, but what are the things that will be discussed 50 years from now, 100 years from now? where the forces that are developing underneath a the surface of our global system that will be driving this? if we start back yen and 1900, and i said to you in 1908, by the year 2000 all of the european empires will be gone, the romanovs, the turks, the great century will be the rise of american power, china and japan and korea will be great economic powers. and in the middle will be israel that is the great military force. they would carry me out, give me

an interview by mary matalin, and live sunday, in depth with bill ayers, former weather underground memberhis latest is "race course against white supremacy." he will take your calls as well as calls from the audience. for a complete schedule, go online to booktv.org. >> president obama at and german chancellor angela merkel held a news conference today in dresden, germany. both leaders talked about the middle east peace prawns -- process, guantanamo bay, and the 65th anniversary of d-day. tomorrow, president obama visits france where he will speak at a ceremony commemorating that anniversary. >> good morning, ladies and gentlemen. we are delighted to have the american president here this morning with us after having met for the last time at the nato summit. we will visit dresden and later go to the former concentration camp. i think that this is indeed a trip of a highly symbolic nature. let me remind all of us of the visit to the concentration camp we will take later in the day. it is important that the american president, barack obama, makes his first stop in dresden. this is a symbolic

this month the guest is bill ayers former member of the anti-war group the weather underground. >> john catipano is editor-in-chief of illinois press. what books does the university have coming out this year? >> actually all of the posters on the table top display, these are all brand new books and as you can see we have a series of books coming out african-american history including this biography of sojourner truth, a biography of t.r.m. how word. >> who is t.r.m. howard? >> he was actually a conservative civil rights advocate that doesn't get the sort of attention and respect he should but was instrumental in moving forward a lot of black agendas in the south. >> and why did you decide sojourner truth needed another biography at this time? >> the author has a new and unusual angle different from some of the ones published recently and is a substantial biography so she touches on new material that other people haven't treated in the past. >> what other books would you like to point out? >> well, let me see, cafe society, which is the story of the josephsons and they're sort of night c

so bill ayers was -- well, i don't want to go into -- i want to avoid -- i don't want to get too personal with william airs, but this is the columbia college guru. social justice education, which is marxist education, communist, whatever you want to call it, it's certainly not liberal, is the doctrine of the moment. in education school. and students, i just came back from two universities, tufts and george washington, and they told me the problem doesn't start here, the problem is in the k-12 schools. they are getting hectored by teachers in the k-12 schools when the kids are much more defenseless, where it's much more excusable on the political agendas of the radical left and so i leave you with this. they've failed in six years to persuade the conservative movement. i'm always -- when i'm written up by the -- by the american federal, with they foam at the mouth with me, i have whole websites devoted to attacking me, i'm always the head of a right wing plot. you will not -- this is not on the radar screen of the conservative movement or the republican party. the academic bill of rights i

and then, bill ayers, the university of illinois professor and former weather underground member. he talks against white supremacy, and he will take your calls as well as questions from the audience. for a complete schedule of this weekend's schedule, fox online to booktv.org -- go on line. >> how is c-span funded? >> i do not know. >> from public television? >> i do not know where the money comes from. >> contributions from donors? >> how is c-span funded? 30 years ago, america's cable companies created c-span as a public service. no government mandate, no government money. >> earlier today, president obama had a meeting with german represented angela merkel. here is the schedule. he has stops in france tomorrow in paris and normandy, where he will celebrate the 65th anniversary of d-day. his speech in cairo, egypt, continues to generate attention. we will show it again on sunday here on c-span. now, craig newmark, creator of craigslist. this is about 55 minutes. >> craig new2mark probably does not need much introduction, but because we will be on c-span, maybe more. it was creat

and live sunday in depth with bill ayers, university of illinois professor and former weather underground member. his latest is race course, against white supremacy, and he'll take your calls as well as questions from the audience. for a complete schedule of this weekend's programs and times, go online to booktv.org. >> now a hearing on the fiscal year 2010 budget for the military's special operations command. including navy sales and army rangers. this is about an hour. >> it's right at 1:00. we certainly expect other members to come terroristing in as we proceed -- drifting in as we proceed, but want to be respectful of the admiral's time and get started on time and welcome you, as always, before our subcommittee, admiral olson. certainly we appreciate the work you do for our country in leading the special operations command. i have an opening statement that i have written that i will submit for the record. just briefly i want to say how important the special operations command is to our nation's national security. and how much we really appreciate and respect the job that you and all o

. >> today on in depth bill ayers joins book tv for a three-hour interview at the litfest. we begin to take your calls at noon eastern. >> marsha blackburn of tennessee talks about her book, "life equity." she provides advice on how women can realize their full potential and take advantage of the opportunities available to them in the u.s. the event hosted by the heritage foundation in washington, d.c., is about an hour. >> so we're just delighted to have you here today. we have an outstanding program for you because we have a star from the congress of the united states of america. and that's always a terrific opportunity for us. my name is becky norton dunlap. i'm the vice president here at the heritage foundation and it's just a delight to have you here at the heritage foundation. our speaker today is united states congressman who's also a congresswoman, she's a woman who's a congressman, marsha blackburn and she has written this fantastic book which we want everybody to know about and we are offering today for sale after our event. but congresswoman, congressman -- how d

. >> today on in depth bill ayers joins a three hour talk from the printers row lit festival in chicago. we'll take your calls at noon eastern. >> ross donaldson talks about his experience working in a sierra leone hospital ward filled with people suffering from lassa fever. he went to sierra leone in 2003 while still a medical student and was put in charge of the ward. this event hosted by barnes & noble booksellers in santa monica, california, is an hour. [applause] >> all right. thank you, everyone, for being here. it is a pleasure to see faces both new and old. and i'd like to thank the barnes & noble staff for having us at this event and also c-span book television for filming it. the "the lassa ward" is a story of my time in sierra leone but more than that, it's a story of facing your own fears and turning adversity into something positive. although the background of the story is probably foreign to most of you here, with a deadly virus and an african civil war, the emotions and the underlying message is something i think we can all relate to. in this day and age, especially, with

and live sunday on "in depth with bill ayers, and his latest is "racecourse against white supremacy ." he will take your phone calls. for a complete schedule of this weekend's programs and times, go online to booktv.org. >> earlier today, president barack obama held a joint news conference in germany with chancellor angela merkel. later they visited the buchenwald concentration camp. his next destination is france with stops tomorrow in paris and normandy. the president's speech to the muslim world in cairo, egypt, continues to generate global reaction. we'll show that speech again this sunday at 10:30 a.m. eastern here on c-span. herbert allison is president obama's nominee to be the next tarp administrator at the treasury department. his senate confirmation hearing before the banking committee runs an hour and 20 minutes. >> the committee will come to order. let me welcome all of you here this morning. let me say to my friend and colleague senator shelby, the former chairman of the committee, will be with us shortly this morning. let me welcome our nominee this morning, mr. herbal i

. >> today on in depth, bill ayers joins book tv for a live three-hour interview at the litfest. we'll take your calls at noon eastern. ♪ >> this summer, book tv is asking, what are you reading? >> congressman culberson, what are you reading this summer? >> i always have two or three books going at the same time. one person who i always read on a regular basis is my hero, thomas jefferson's writings. frankly, a day doesn't go by that i don't read something that he's written. i'll continue to work my way through his letters in particular. mr. jefferson wrote so much that although i've probably spent the last -- my gosh, almost 30 years reading through his works i've only made it maybe about halfway through. so i'll continue to work on reading thomas jefferson's letters. i've always had a particular fascination with history so i'll continue to read works by a number of different authors, one i'm working through right now is james mcpherson's book on lincoln's role as commander in chief during the civil war, which i have found particularly relevant to the debate going on today with

. >> host: bernadine dohrn, bill ayers have been our guests. thank you both very much. [applause] @ú@ú