where is his number two, ayman al zawahiri? where is mullah omar, the leader of the taliban? if this was a private company, the management would have been fired and the shares would be tanking. but these are not private companies. instead, their budgets just spiral upwards. >> you actually wrote about this, i thought, very intelligently. you think there's a basic shift that needs to take place in intelligence. probably easier to say than to do, but why don't you say it anyway? >> we need to get back into the sort of espionage business. people don't usually use that word, espionage. but we're not very good at spying. what we need, if we're ever going to find bin laden, is going to be a penetration of al qaeda or a group affiliated with al qaeda. i think we have got better intelligence coming out of the tribal regions in pakistan, hence the, you know, the better drone program, but i think that as the intelligence community's risk averse, maybe if the stakes were higher and we face a bigger threat from al qaeda, some of these concerns about can somebody pass a background check,