let's get our panel to react, we have michelle caruso cabrera and ayman javers standing by let me go to you, ayman are with the headlines which come from the ukrainian president when he described the call as normal and said nobody pushed me. >> i think that was the lifeline saying, nobody pushed me but you also heard the ukrainian president using humor there as a former comedian. but also pushing for his diplomatic objective here, he wants a back to back meeting with president trump he wants to be able to go to the white house and have a white house visit himself. he was pushing there for that exchange of visits and you get the sense politically he might get what he wants from the white house, boy did he give that lifeline we were looking for saying the call is totally normal >> michelle, as you said, talking about how he was likely to be solicitous >> there's zero chance he was going to throw president trump under the bus. >> does that mean he's going to gloss over the remarks >> i don't think so. i think you're going to hear people say, well, of course, he had to say those things. h

. >> ayman javers, thank you >>> our next guest could include a ban on menthol cigarettes as well >> i guess you think it's a slippery slope >> it's a hard issue, because it's super complicated one of the things that some in public health would argue is why would you ban flavors of e cigarettes when you leave the one flavor of cigarettes that are allowed menthol flavors in the internet they make it easier to consume, and that is a public health negative if you're going to open the opportunity to do something on flavors, i would think we should all be watching menthol cigarettes as well >> any ban of any flavors for either vapping products or cigarettes would invite lawsuits >> yeah, and the thing that's interesting. ayman was talking about the court case, where some of the public help has not delayed those flavors for e cigarettes i found that the judge's opinion in that case was super interesting, because he was passionate about protecting kids the idea that a court would not have the politics that are impacting decisions now, this sort of protecting kids from tobacco products, from