amy: jÉrÉmie azmat khan, thank you for being with us.ve ann wright the final word as you speak to us from hawaii and you look at what is happening in afghanistan where you were almost two decades ago, what you think needs to happen and what you think americans should understand about the war in afghanistan. >> well, i think the u.s. public ought to be very wary of every administration, the things -- that things we should take a military option in trying to resolve any sort of conflict. we have seen the unit states in vietnam and iraq and afghanistan, the lies that are told to us about why we need to go into countries with our military versus having some nonmilitary resolution to these issues is really, really important. particularly as we face our government right now that is saying china and russia are enemies, that are threats to our national security. we need to push back against our government, against any more military invasions, occupations, attacks on any country. my heart goes out and bleeds for the people of afghanistan who have

. >> azmat khan it's a contributing writer at the new york times magazine who has written a lot about the war on terror. she wrote an exposÉ in 2015 on broken promises to afghanistan. james laporta it is an investigative reporter with the associated press. both join me now. james let me just start with you. i guess i want to just take a moment to say -- to pay tribute to the americans who lost their lives today. in this war, where i think the question of the mission has been unclear for so long. the mission that the soldiers died for was very clear. to get americans out of the country, and they gave their lives for today. >> yes, for peace and for a better life. sorry, excuse me. >> it's okay. >> and they were facilitating those afghans to a better life, perhaps a life of peace. so it's very -- excuse, me i'm sorry. it's a hard day. >> it's a brutal day. and i really appreciate you coming on. and i think that what you said, a life to peace, it's really important. azmat, i want to hear your perspective. 13 u.s. service members, dozens of afghans killed. that kind of violence has been t

joining us now to discuss what comes next is bianna golodryga, cnn global affairs analyst, and azmat khanive reporter and contributing writing. looking back on this moment, and what this means for not just president biden but for the three presidents that came before him, and as john was saying, did not get out of this war, what does this mean looking back on this, and what does it mean for what's coming next? >> i think you need a little humility to say i have the answer for what this means down the road, but i think reflecting on where we were 20 years ago, as we were approached september 11th. many of us remember where we were on that day in new york city, and as we look forward 20 years from that day, we would have been surprised that the u.s. had not been attacked by another terrorist attack in the after math, but i think it would have been shocking to know the taliban would be coming back into power 20 years later, and the u.s. would be leaving the way it has, making the best of a worst case scenario. president biden has been able to do what his predecessors did not. he stood by his