b.a.t. is not just a way to out to the people the koch a moment that is not productive for anyone but let there is no planet to ships them to but sometimes those things that are frightening or offensive we don't have the luxury but maybe to get people to think differently of there understanding of the world we have to start with building real relationships that they will not have the language or facility because they don't have to cultivate that. if so we would go to our corner not have a conversation. how do we live with difference to build the possibility of having serious substantive dialogue. >> host: three books. a force in the works? >> guest: is an interesting project about the trans national spiritual community first from liberia. and very few people talk about the committee that this jury how this community uses it as a base to connect from five different continents. that this chain of begin restaurants throughout united states to use this technology to build this transnational comm