babbitt, a veteran. we all mourn her loss, but at the same time, how dare you, president trump, attack a first responder who did nothing more than to defend the citadel of democracy when he was seeing an attack that would ultimately wind up attacking anyone but members of congress. >> congresswoman -- >> i think what we should be doing is be bold in our response to all of this. >> when you say we should be bold, what does that mean in practice? when we read in politico about former a.g. bill barr directing the doj to investigate a debunked crazy conspiracy theory about election fraud in georgia, shouldn't there be criminal consequences for that? shouldn't bill barr have to answer for that somewhere? >> well, i think the first line of defense, if you will, or offense, is at the house judiciary committee. it should be able to investigate all of these allegations. there were some initial hearings in the senate, but obviously, the house judiciary committee can now put the final acts to it, if you will. which

. >> who shot ashli babbitt? people want to know, and why. >> the ex president disgraced but still dangerous. as trump escalates threats against the capitol police officer. nancy pelosi urges republicans to back the blue. then -- >> masks suck but it's a small sacrifice to save lives. meet the local texas official defying the governor's anti mask mandate. plus -- >> fda is working with pfizer and moderna to allow boosters for these vulnerable people. >> the head of the national institutes of health joins me live to talk about booster shots. and what's the best way to get people to get people to take the vaccine? the carrot or the stick? we'll discuss when all in starts right now. good evening from washington d.c., and for krista hayes. one of the many enduring, haunting images from january 6th is this scene, moments before ashli babbitt was shot and killed. she and a group of riders tried to break through this set of doors leading into the speakers lobby just outside the house chamber, where members of congress w

. >>> our exclusive interview with the capitol police officer who shot and killed rioter ashli babbitt on january 6th the officer telling us why he's choosing to come forward now and reveal his identity. his harrowing account. why he opened fire, and the threats he now faces. >> given the nature of the threats that you describe, do you have any concern about showing your face and identifying yourself >> of course i do. >>> the disturbing covid milestone. 100,000 americans hospitalized we're in florida, one of the states now an epicenter. >>> dangerous heat still gripping much of the country and the new tropical threat taking aim al roker is here >>> and inspiring lessons from a young man now fulfilling his olympic dreams >> announcer: this is "nbc nightly news" with lester holt >>> good evening, everyone a war that over 20 years has cost our country so much grief is still taking american lives practically to the bitter end at least a dozen u.s. troops were killed after two explosions rocked the area around the kabul airport. just five days before u.s. forces are scheduled to depart for

babbitt incident.argeting that is out there and radicalization out there, it's courageous. frankly, one of the things we see, too, is that this idea that to even challenge the fact that his life and that everyone there's life was in danger, it is ludicrous and plays into this very extreme republican radicalization that what happened and the 6th was no serious, to call it a tourist event. officers died. people died. and it is -- it was run of the most -- it was a domestic terrorist attack that we saw. >> indeed. and it is interesting because americans i think tend to think of america as cui generous, right? terrorism happened here on january 6th. we are seeing in afghanistan right now a terrorist attack today that killed 13 of our troops, marines and navy -- a member of the navy. but we're also trying to get as many people out as possible. talk about raising the cap, how can it be done, why should be done? >> to speak to today's attack, what happened is just an absolute and utter travesty. and these mar

you were going to get beaten to death by ashley babbitt, an unarmed woman under 5'5"?beat you with her flag question what you can disapprove of what actually babbitt and the january 6 writers did and we do disapprove and said so, and still think it's a little much to shoot someone to death without even warning that person. for doing it, and refusing to tell us who did it? that's totally fine? what country is this anyway? again, you can disapprove of what happened that day and still think that an american citizen has a right to be worn before being shot. people breaking all buildings across the country for all reasons and eric swalwell is endorsing it! where they shot to death by unnamed agents? they weren't. that's fine with eric swalwell. fine with kevin cramer, by the way, who is a republican. it's fine with lindsey graham, it's fine with all of them. they don't care as your life becomes much more dangerous, as long as they are safe and anyone who knocks on their door gets shot in the throat and you are not allowed to know who did it or why. sandy cortez was not even

shouting, who fired ashli babbitt, is a regular feature of his rallies now.w we know the answer to that question, because the officer who shot ashli babbitt, who -- chose to speak to msnbc with lester holt. my name is michael bird, i'm a lieutenant for the united states capitol police. >> for months he has lived in hiding, he says, over this moment. his decision to use deadly force against the rioter ashley climb through a barricaded door that leads to the house chamber. in the months since he's been the target of threats. >> can you give us the nature of some of those threats? >> they talk about killing me. cutting off my head. you know, very vicious and cruel things. >> he says officers barricaded the door, what he considered the last line of defense. >> i had been yelling and screaming as loud as i was, please stop, get back, get back. we have our weapons drawn. bird, owning his hand and gun visible, targeted a figure trying to climb through a window and fired a single, fatal shot. [noise] hitting ashli babbitt, she was 35 years old, on air force veteran,

former president trump demanded justice for babbitt.ther of babbitt says no current elected official reached out with any questions regarding her daughter's death. tucker? >> tucker: matt finn for us tonight. thanks so much. so, as a rule, federal law enforcement agencies like the fbi are not in the business of exonerating people. that is definitely not their job. their job is to investigate crimes, gather evidence, and provide that evidence to prosecutors. that is how our criminal justice system works. we are innocent until proven guilty, that is the whole point. so the fbi does not declare you in consent, that is the assumption we all get from the beginning. the constitution makes that very clear, again, the whole point of our justice system. so it is worth paying attention when the fbi makes a point of exonerating large groups of people, no matter who those people are, and that happened today when several fbi sources told reuters that in fact, january 6th was not an insurrection after all. according to reuters, there won't be "any ch

so what's interesting is the people who are, they don't care at all about ashley babbitt, an americaneteran who was unarmed and not warrant before she was shot on the neck on january 6th. she died, lets applaud it. she was a woman. it was a coordinated plot to overthrow democracy and we've been hearing that for months. now, the fbi out of nowhere informs us that that's not true. it was not interaction and not a coordinated plot. we will tell you what they said and we will tell you why they might be saying that, straight ahead. do you have a life insurance policy you no longer need? now you can sell your policy, even a term policy, for an immediate cash payment. we thought we had planned carefully for our retirement. but we quickly realized that we needed a way to supplement our income. if you have one hundred thousand dollars or more of life insurance you may qualify to sell your policy. don't cancel or let your policy lapse without finding out what it's worth. visit conventrydirect.com to find out if you policy qualifies. or call the number on your screen. coventry direct, redefining

capitol police officer who shot and killed ashli babbitt while defending the capitol on january 6th has been withheld by authorities. but those angered by his actions have been guessing at his identity online and on social media, and he has faced a barrage of threats since the incident tonight in an nbc news exclusive, he steps out of the shadows. your name has been batted about on the internet, but you have never been officially publically identified. do you want to tell us who you are? >> my name is michael byrd. i'm a lieutenant for the united states capitol police. >> for months he has lived in hiding, he says, over this moment his decision to use deadly force against a rioter as she climbed through a barricaded door that leads to the house chamber. in the months since, he has been the target of threats. >> could you give us >> they talked about killing me, cutting off my head, you know, very vicious and cruel things. >> racist things >> there were some racist attacks as well that's all disheartening because i know i was doing my job. >> given the nature of the threats you describe,

you don't have to agree with what ashley babbitt did. you can disapprove it. let's be real.body, didn't have a weapon, she was just madd because she thought the election was stolen. in that respect, very different from another recent subject of msnbc's fixation, career criminal called jacob like that fought with a cop and reach for his knife while resisting arrest. but no one on television suggested that he was a domestic terrorist. we didn't. because he wasn't. he was some guy resisting arrest with a knife.ome no one ever shame the politicians who talked of his family when joe biden and kamala harris personally consoled his relatives and canonized him as a civil rights hero. msnbc applauded and they applauded violence for a year around the country! now they are telling us that ashley babbitt who was shot by some unnamed capitol hill policeman is a domestic terrorists and republicans on the hill who are cowards are telling us that that guy is a hero.ey u why? because they were afraid. meanwhile, drug traffickers, murderers, millions of foreign nationals whose names we don't

he fired a single fatal shot hitting ashley babbitt.ter and qanon follower. >> were you wavering? >> i was taking a tactical stance, ultimately hoping your commands will be complied with, and unfortunately they were not. >> when you fired, what could you see? where were you aiming? >> you're taught to aim for center mass. the subject was sideways and i could not see the full motion of her hands or anything. so i guess her movement, you know, caused the discharge to fall where it did. >> what did you think this individual was doing? >> she was posing a threat to the united states house of representatives. >> she was posing a threat to the united states house of representatives. that is lieutenant michael byrd of the united states capitol police coming forward, identifying himself, speaking on his own terms. talking not only about what happened that day but about the attacks and threats against him since. joining us now is ryan riley. he's the senior justice reporter for the "huffington post." he's been following the rioters from the very

he fired a single fatal shot, hitting ashli babbitt.n air force veteran, trump supporter, and qanon follower. we see your arm out there for a considerable amount of time. bru wavering? >> i was taking a tactical stance. you ultimately are hoping that your commands will be complied with. and, unfortunately, they were not. >> reporter: when you fired, what could you see? where were you aiming? >> you are taught to aim for center mass. the subject was sideways and i could not see her full motion of her hands or anything. so i guess her movement, you know, caused the discharge to fall where it did. >> reporter: what did you think this individual was doing at that moment? >> she was posing a threat. to the united states house of representatives. >> reporter: but an attorney for ashli babbitt's family disputes that. he did not respond to our requests for a comment, but in a previous statement said babbitt was not brandishing a weapon, not in close proximity to members of congress, and was not an imminent threat of death or serious injury to a

and us air force veteran asking babbitt as a martyr. so let's get more details and go live night, see us and speak with our correspondent, machaela morphine. a good evening, caleb. so i have further details being given then by capital police as to their reasons for exonerating this officer. while this is part of the ongoing fall out of the january 6th the capital riot and we now have the us capital police announcing that they have concluded their investigation into the killing of ashley bab. it was fatally shot during the events that took place on capitol hill. now, according to the statement they've released, there won't be any disciplinary action against the officer who carried out the shooting. they say case close what they said. the actions of the officer in this case potentially saved members and stuff from serious injury and possible death from a large crowd of riots of who forced their way into the u. s. capital and to the health chamber where members and stuff was steps the way. now many conservatives say the case is not closed,

have kind of considered ashley babbitt to be a martyr. many liberals are deeply concerned about this and the politicization of this das. it's also important to know that there were 3 other protesters who died during the january 6 capital riot. now 2 died from natural causes and one from a drug overdose. in addition to that, there was another cap, capital police officer who died on the scene. first, it was reported that he was bludgeon das. later it was ruled that he died from a stroke. and after the capital riot, there are 4 officers who were involved, who are alleged to have committed suicide. and is said that the trauma of the capital riot contributed to that. so that's the situation. but as of now, the capital police say case closed no further investigation, no disciplinary action against the officer. we spoke to derek gibson, republican standing for governor of new york state, who says he has no faith in biden's justice department and is calling for an independent pro. ok. have a close go independent. any of the opens that are problem

shouting, who shot ashli babbitt? as a regular feature of his rallies now.w, in a remarkable turn of events -- um -- we know the answer to that question because the officer who shot ashli babbitt, while protecting members of congress on his own terms chose, today, to speak publicly for the first time with nbc's lester holt. >> my name is michael bird. i am a lieutenant for the united states capitol police. >> reporter: for months, he has lived in hiding. he says over this moment. his decision to use deadly force against a rioter as she climbed through a barricaded door that leads to the house chamber. in the months since, he has been the target of threats. can you give us the nature of some of those threats? >> they talked about, you know, killing me. cutting off my head. um, you know, very vicious and cruel things. >> reporter: he says officers barricaded the door. what he considered the last line of defense. >> i had been yelling and screaming as loud as i was. please, stop. get back. get back. stop. we had our weapons drawn. >> reporter: bird only his han

eric, what are your thoughts then on capital, please exonerating this officer who shot ashley babbitt and give are to be here and i'm very disappointed outcome. the so called investigation? the investigation money just apartment was the russian. it was close in april and trying to investigation which we all know was going random. nothing but that he was innocent. parson, which is very disappointing. alleged bab and the others set near to the cap on that particular day that within bite into the cap, had no weapons. it was my answer, rection and i did get from narrative be in push to make trucks of august boundaries . i talked to you as a american lead concerned about the flight of the country, always wanted to communism and so forth. if killing was killing by a black man, i can tell you they want all relief number. he was a black man. i look better. social media post and he will be alone, black life matter. carson and he handed out by white people period. this young lady was trying to get through when which you could easily apprehend him in law enforcement of what they chose not today.

but in a previous statement said, babbitt was not brandishing the weapon.in close proximity to members in congress and was not an imminent threat of death or serious injury to anyone. >> her family points out that she was not armed. with >> that is correct. >> the fact that you were not aware of whether she was armed or not, did that alter the decision-making? >> it did not. >> what should we make of the fact that there are other officers who are in other potentially life-threatening situations who did discern to not use their weapons today? >> i am sure that it was a terrifying day. i can only control my own training, my level of expertise, but they can speak for themselves. >> former president trump has talked about you and this incident. he says she was murdered. with what's the doesn't feel like to hear that from a former president? >> well, it is disheartening. if he was in the room or anywhere and i am responsible for him, i was prepared to do the same thing for him and his family. >> would you have his back today if he were there? >> i sure would bec

lieutenant byrd says he opened fire only as a last resort when ashli babbitt and other insurrectionists he says he believes he saved countless lives. >> i know there's people that disagree with my actions on january the 6th. but i hope they understand, i did my job and there was imminent threats and danger to the members of congress >> an attorney for ashli babbitt's family did not respond to nbc news request for comment but in a previous statement insisted ashli babbitt was no an imminent threat of death or serious injury to anyone and was unarmed. investigations by the justice department and the capitol police cleared lieutenant byrd of any wrong doing. >>> the man convicted of killing senator robert f. kennedy is now one step closer to getting out of prison. the california parole board today recommended sirhan sirhan be released. prosecutors did not object the lawyer focusing on his clean record in prison, his remorse, and saying he's unlikely to commit another crime cops arrested sirhan at the scene of the shooting back in 1968 this photo of bystanders tackling him, but senator kenn

capital police announcing that they have concluded their investigation into the killing of ashley babbitt who was fatally shot during the event that took place on capitol hill. now, according to the statement they've released, there won't be any disciplinary action against the officer and carried out the shooting. they say case closed. this is what they said. the actions of the officer in this case potentially saved members and stuff from serious injury and possible death from a large crowd of riots who forth their way into the u. s. capital and to the health chamber where members and stuff was steps the way. now many conservatives say the case is not closed, and furthermore, there's a lot of outrage on the conservative side because the name of the officer who pulled the trigger has not been reveal it say there are very serious threat to the person involved. his life is on the line and so they cannot make public the individual who shot ass babbitt, many conservatives have kind of considered ashley bab it to be a martyr. many liberals are deeply concerned about this and the politicization

the capital police officer who shot and killed ashli babbitt during the capitol insurrection speaks tocer says he pulled the trigger. >>> and afghanistan in crisis, the pleas growing by the day to get evacuees out members of congress say they're being overwhelmed with requests to get people out of kabul associated press reports some of those congress members are getting more than a hundred pleas per day. the state department urging congressional offices to coordinate their message through them both the senate and the house are in recess. today the house minority leader kevin mccarthy called for that to change immediately. >> congress can't sit idle as a separate branch of government while troops are targeted and americans remain stranded. it's time for us to act quickly to save lives. speaker pelosi needs to call congress back in session and do it now >> mccarthy and others seeking a full briefing from the administration on the attack in kabul. democratic congressman john gar garamendi is with us now thanks for your time your office succeeded in getting 145 people out: how did you do i

none of that matters to people who still believe again that ashli babbitt is a martyr.ance to begin to command his own narrative. here is his just a brief bit of his interview with nbc's lester holt where he speaks about what happened in that moment and also how he feels about the reaction from people on the right, including former president trump. >> i have been yelling and screaming as loud as i was, please stop, get back. get back. stop. you're ultimately hoping that your commands will be complied with. and unfortunately they were not. >> former president trump has talked about you and this incident. he says she was murdered. what does it feel like to hear that from a former president? >> well, it's disheartening. if he was in the room or anywhere and i'm responsible for him, i was prepared to do the same thing for him and his family. >> would you have his back today if you were so assigned? >> i sure would because it's my job. >> an extraordinary burden he took on. in that interview he also shed tears, brianna and also been the subject of death threats because his n

he fired a single fatal shot, hitting ashley babbitt.veteran, trump supporter and qanon follower. >> we see your arm out there for a considerable amount of time. were you wavering? >> i was taking a tactical stance. you're ultimately hoping that your commands will be complied and unfortunately they were not. >> when you fired, what could you see? where were you aiming? >> you're taught to aim for center mass. the subject was sideways and i could not see full motion of her hands or anything. so, i guess, her movement, you know, caused the discharge to fall where it did. >> and what do you think this individual was doing at that moment? >> she was posing a threat to the united states house of representatives. >> reporter: but an attorney for ashley babbitt's family disputes that. he did not respond to our request for a comment, but in a previous statement said babbitt was not brandishing a weapon, not in close proximity to members of congress, and was not an imminent threat of death or serious injury to anyone. >> her family points out tha

. >>> by the way, who shot ashley babbitt. >> every one deserves to know who killed her. >> we stillme. >> why hasn't that officer that executed ashley babbitt been named. >> they are protecting that person. >> they covered up who shot ashley babbitt. >> for months before michael byrd revealed his identify, the former president and his allies have been trying to out him. the truth is members of the far right media had already begun piecing together clues about his identity as early as february. it wasn't long before byrd's name was being about on right wing websites and trump confirmed earlier this month that quote, we know who he is. in other words, they have known his identity for some time. they knew he was black. in fact, trump ally and infamous birther called -- could focus on little else when he publicly announced byrd's name way back in april. >> i happen know the name of that cop but you have to dig to find it. the guy is lieutenant michael leroy byrd. you'll almost not see that in a single media report. you know why? because he's plaque. what i'm trying to get at here is tha

. >>> the capitol police officer who fatally shot ashli babbitt during the january 6th riot has beening to a new internal memo. the unidentified officer opened fire on babbitt as she and a mob of other trump supporters stormed the capitol. video shows babbitt and the crowd trying to break through that door leeing to where members of congress were being evacuated. babbitt was one of five people, including a capitol hill police officer to die as a result of the riot. >>> more school districts in florida are taking mask mandates into their own hands as the department of health has reported the state has now surpassed more than 3 million covid-19 cases. but in a late vote just last night, republican-leaning sarasota became the first to defy governor ron desantis's banned mask mandate. it also includes the hillsborough county district after more than 1,000 students tested positive during their first week back in the classroom. our correspondent is in tampa. what can you tell us about the new mask guidelines there for students in hillsborough county? >> good morning to you, lindsey. that m

babbitt was engaged in, conduct. she was illegally trespassing, disobeying police orders, there was a great deal of damage and she was going through a window at the time so all of that is criminal conduct but you can't just shoot criminal trespassers, you can't shoot people damaging government property, you have to show an imminent threat to yourself or others and here you have an officer who says i really couldn't see her hands, didn't know she was on or not. according to that interpretation he could have shot the next 20 people through the window. could have shot hundreds of people that they only held but only one officer did so, lieutenant bird. all the other officers including officers who were attacked or injured refrained from using lethal force and i say that with a great deal of respect because we demand of officers a level of restraint encourage most of us couldn't muster. a really difficult job but what he described in the interview falls way outside the parameters of use of lethal force. >> years more from

in jonathan was alarmed by the mission from the capitol police officer that shot ashley babbitt . he is here to tell us what it is . gynt explosions from the targeted vehicle indicated the presence of a substantial amoun of explosive material. we are aware of reports of civilian casualties and we take these reports varies seriously. we are continuing to assess the situation. >> we take efforts, we takes that to avoid civilian casualties in every scenario an probably more than almost any country in the world. i can speak to or confirm the numbers or the billion casualties in this case. >> she can't come up with the new york times is reporting ten civilians including seven kille children were killed by a drone strike in kabul. the pentagon assures us they wh they of course can't tell us anything about or identify. what's going on here? glenn, no one in the media seem to concerned about what looks like to be another intelligent failure. why is that? >> it is pretty bizarre. right from the beginning, there was a huge question working at least for me which is a month ago, joe biden and

. >> these were the final moments before ashli babbitt was shot by a capitol police officer you as rioters tried to push their way into the speake's lobby outside the house chamber tonight the u.s. capitol police announced the completion of an internal review that found the officer's conduct was lawful and within department policy and will not face internal discipline. >> the video speaks for its self. and we were all there that day. >> ohio democrat tim ryan shares a subcommittee that oversees capitol police. >> most americans understand what happened that day. most americans think what was done was appropriate, lawful and now we can begin the moving on. >> the death of the 35 year old air force veteran and q-anon supporter has sparked outrage among many conservatives including former president trump. >> the person that shot ashley babbit, boom, right through the head, just boom there was no reason for that. >> reporter: in a statement babbitt's family said an investigation by the officers own police department conducted in secret proves nothing and certainly is not an exoneration. the u.

lieutenant michael byrd tells nbc he shot ashli babbitt only as a last resort after he says the rioters refused to comply with his commands. > i was taking a tactical stance. you're ultimately hoping that your commands will be complied with and, unfortunately, they were not. she was posing a threat to the united states house of representatives. >> babbitt's family disputes the claim that she was a threat, but multiple investigations have cleared byrd of any wrongdoing. >>> all right. time now for a look at your friday weather. >>> good morning. the tropics are active once again. tropical storm ida moving through the caribbean expected to strengthen to a category 3 hurricane as we head toward the latter half of the weekend making landfall on a louisiana coast. the danger zone is the entire louisiana coast with a hurricane watch, a tropical storm watch around mobile bay, and we're looking at up to 20 inches of rain at landfall in louisiana and also an accuweather local storm max of up to 130 miles an hour. i'm accuweather meteorologist kevin coskren. >>> coming up, the coyote attack caugh

he shot babbitt as she tried to climb through the broken door. the officer's name is being withheld due to death threats against him. >>> in texas a suspect is on the loose in a case of road rage that left two children hurt. police say a 9-year-old and her 6-month-old brother were hit by shattered glass after another driver tried to merge in front of their parents' car on a houston highway. police say their father who was driving got upset and moments later gunfire erupted. >> they had an altercation, a verbal altercation, and the suspect decided to pull a gun and start shooting the car. >> another possible road rage shooting in houston claimed the life of a father whose young children then managed to steer the family's vehicle. road rage shootings are on the rise nationwide with more than 700 last year. >>> the state of new york has a new governor for the first time in ten years. kathy hochul was sworn in at midnight becoming the state's first female governor in the wake of andrew cuomo's sexual harassment scandal. cuomo delivered a a defiant fa

capitol police cleared the officer who shot and killed ashley babbitt during the january attack on thet, a 35-year-old air force veteran from california, was shot as she tried to force her way through a set of doors leading to the speaker's lobby outside the house chamber. the report says the unidentified officer's actions were within department policy and potentially saved members of congress and staff from serious injury and possible death from the rioters. >>> cbs boston reports a massachusetts woman says she's lucky to be alive after a tree branch fell on her car while she was inside. the huge branch fell on maureen gallagher's car in the town of palmer narrowly missing her head. she was on her way to see her husband who's recovering from a stroke at a rehab facility. she said she saw the crackling of a facility. >> i don't know why i did this, but i turned my head this way and i kept my head parallel to my shoulder and that's what saved me. >> the palmer fire chief said if the branch fell a couple of inches in either direction, the woman would have been killed. >>> and the associa

the justice department jettinged what happened other and cleared the officer who shot babbitt of anyng. some in mccarthy's conference like paul gosar has defended the role and pelosi put out a statement saying it's long overdue for minority leader kevin mccarthy to get off his hands and stand up to members of his party and terrorizing. >> appreciate it. here to russ it and former d.c. police chief dave ramsey and national security an any kerry cordero. after everything that d.c. police and capital police have been through are they at greater language talking about we know who you ar>> it you're right, t president has no doubt and the minute he gets there, he finds another lower level to get to. it's up necessary and it's disgusting and you're putting pem at risk. here are people from the metropolitan and capitol police do whatever they could to pro protect. >> when you think about the members of contract saying all kinds of news. noids to stand up and say enough is enough. >> ashli babbitt would not be there on january 6th if the president had not about pushing the big lie. we know i

aaron babbitt is the husband, and the family attorney, to both join us now thanks for coming on.estion to you, how did you feel when the nbc news anchor asks the officer who shot your wife to death, your unarmed wife to death without warning her first before shooting her, asked him isn't he the real victim here, isn't he the one who is really suffering? how did that make you feel, i'm just kind of wondering. >> pissed off. i've only heard a couple of clips at this point. it's not airing until 7:00 out here. i read the full transcript of it. i had not heard that one clip that you just played in my education level is actually going through the roof right now where he admitted he didn't really care if she was armed or not or unarmed or not. he didn't care. so yeah, we are going down a bad rabbit hole right now. >> tucker: yeah, especially if the national media congratulated him for this in the entire left as one gloats over your wife's death as if she deserved it because she voted for the wrong person. i mean, they're kind of saying -- i'm sorry to make you feel even worse, i can't

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but in a previous statement, said babbitt was not brandishing a weapon, not in close proximity to membersent threat of death or serious injury to anyone. her family points out that she was not armed. >> that's correct. >> reporter: the fact that you weren't aware whether she was armed or not, did that alter the decision-making? >> it did not. >> reporter: what should we make of the fact that there are other officers in other potentially life-threatening situations who didn't use their service weapons that day? >> um, i'm sure it was a terrifying situation. i can only control my reaction, my training, my level of expertise. that would be upon them to speak for themselves. >> reporter: former-president trump has -- has talked about you and this -- and this incident. he says she was murdered. what does it feel like to hear that from a former president? >> well, it's disheartening. if he was in the room or anywhere and i'm responsible for him, i was prepared to do the same thing for him and his family. >> reporter: would you have his back today if you were so assigned? >> i sure would because