that will only animate his base in a way it's never been animated before. >> bacari is it sort of a ifdo or don't, if you pursue allegedly wrongful behavior, you're shunned or vilified? he's already blaming democrats. i'm wondering your take on this and what the administration might need to consider to prove it's all been done by the book for reasons mark talked about. >> i think you have two things here. i love mark, but one of the things we have to value is there's something a lot more valuable that weighs heavily on this country than just the showmanship and game of politics and that's our fragile democracy and that is nobody is above the law. i believe one of the things you'll see to answer your second question is the independence of this department of justice unlike during the trump years, when donald trump used the department of justice as a political tool, we do know joe biden stayed out of the fray and direction as you're supposed to with this department of justice. i think that's one step you'll see play out. this had to go to the highest levels of the department of justice an