bills in the senate, one is senator kennedy, contend-dodd and senate finance which is out of the baccus and grassley committee. i expect the senate finance bill will take a less expensive approach to reform. we will have pay fors in it and it will be more reasonable from our standpoint. but we are waiting to see. i think the senate is taking a narrower sort of approach on the employer mandate issue and public plan issue. not surprisingly we will see a bill likely out of the house out of nancy pelosi that is far to the left than we will be comfortable with. host: monty, the last call, independent line, knoxville, tennessee. caller: health insurance is not for profit, nothing will be solved. my husband and i -- my husband worked hard. we paid our insurance. i go to the doctor, i'm denied coverage. i take my sons to the doctor for a broken hand. it took two months of me calling every day for them to even start to pay the doctor and orthopedist to fix his hand. excuse me! that is not right. host: final thought from randy johnson. guest: i think we can get a lot of reforms that the caller is

democrats like max baccus believes progress is being made. >> all of us are going to be paying an astronomical time that we just cannot afford this ambitious grab. >> we are clearly going to find ways to bend the con crypt in the right direction, that is good provisions that will actually lower the rate and increase in health care costs. >> reporter: the american medical association is now backing the president's reform plan. >>> vice president joe biden is touting what he calls the success of the white house economic plans. in richmond yesterday he spoke about the move. >> as distasteful as it was, people will say why are you bailing out the banks, to save the economy from completely tanking. on the housing front, the homeowner affordability and stability plan was in fact put in place and it is working. >> reporter: the vice president added the $787 billion stimulus plan has saved thousands of jobs. new details an a man in a deadly confrontation with u.s. police. the "washington post" reports that kellan white had a lengthy criminal record and was carrying an assault weapon. police shot and k