now, the average record buyer for backstreet et al. is seven, so it's not like they got tired of listening to kurt cobain. do you know what i'm saying? and they didn't-- they weren't listening to screaming trees and alice in chains and going, "mmmyyyeeegh. "mommy, i'm tired of alice in chains "and the seattle sound. give me boy-band corporate pabulum." you know, a seven-year-old did not turn away from indie rock. this was a niche that was created 'cause money was to be made. and the whole britney thing, it's just nonsense. you know, it's nonsense, and it, again, lowers the bar tastewise. most people are just indoctrinated into modes of thinking. you know, you ask most people, "why are you catholic?" "i don't know-- my dad was; my mom was. "that's why, and i've been raised in the catholic church. "i happen to have been born in a suburb here "where we're catholic, and my grandparents were before me." "why do you listen to creed?" "i don't know. that's what's on my radio station." "why do you wear-- "why do you wear thong underwear and lo