it seemed to become like almost like a lynch mob, you know, and ugly and badtempered. and people talking with incredible aggressiveness because they're protected by anonymity, in a way that they would never talk if they were sitting here. >> absolutely. >> but i thought i don't like this. and i don't know whether it got worse or i became less patient with it or some mixture of that. but i thought i don't need this noise in my head, and i quit, i stopped. >> i'm curious to get your take on this. there are a lot of people who feel, and i express this view on my own in certain instances feel that there are certain fellow citizens who feel emboldened by the behavior of the guy in the white house and so when the president can behave that way -- >> so can we. >> you're right. we have the anonymity on social media to throw bombs and, throw bombs, rocks, whatever, and hide our hand. do you think there's anything to the fact that people are emboldened by his bad behavior? >> absolutely. i think, i think there's no question that white supremacists in this country have felt enabl