i think we have to understand trump has the advantages of income baens. idea about the disinformation campaign, i don't really tell people to read "the at lanltic. you should read it because it's what we're up against. my view is maybe you have some money. maybe you can come in third and get delegates. who has a credible chance to be the democratic nominee? >> and what i'm hearing from you in a reality-check sense, posting a bunch of 12 or 13 or 14% performances just doesn't -- particularly the deeper you go, doesn't amount to a sensible chance at a delegate lead. >> better than getting four and being in fifth place. particularly when we get on march 3rd. basically between march 3rd and 17th, most of the country votes and most of the delegates get awarded. if you're not accumulating the number of delegates, particularly if you don't feel there's going to be a brokered convention where someone can come in on the fifth ballot. but that's highly unlikely. >> i'm with you on that. i'm actually glad you said that. that was fantastic. up next what we know about