who is al baghdadi. how did he emerge from syrian civil war to control large parts of syria and iraq. >> reporter: al baghdadi, a man with a bounty on his head may recently have made a rare appearance. in this unverified video posted online the man who appears to be the elusive leader of the islamic state spoke out for a half hour during prayers. introduced himself as ebra him. >> it is a burden t to accept this to be in charge of you. i'm not better than you. if you see me on the right path, help me. if you see me on the wrong path, encourage me and help me. >> baghdadi born some 50 miles north of baghdad. he claims to trace his lineage back to the prophet mohammed giving him added legitimacy as a religious leader. in 2005 he was captured by u.s. forces believed to be a middle-ranked militant during a sunni insurgency. after his release he took over as head o of the al-qaeda iraq branch. the leader at the time was killed in an u.s.-led raid. al baghdadi rose in a newly state, last year he openly deified

they have a leader in baghdadi. they have already conquered territory, about half of iraq, about half of syria, which they control, also other parts of the middle east as well. they also control part of northern lebanon. they have made absolutely breathtaking strides in their shortenure of advancement. they have land. they have a name. they have a leader. they have a government. it's known as shari'a law. they have an administration. a council and a line of hirke arcy and organizational flow chart of how they are going to run the islamic state and they have an arm, 12,000 are presumably in the islamic army and brutal they are, beheading, women raped. innocent children shot in the head. it's absolutely devastating. we see christians have been chased out. the numbers are owe dramatic of christians who have had to flee iraq. christians in most you will who lived there. and the old town of nineveh. and that town is most you will. christians have been in that town since the time of christ. most you will no longer has chr

here's what we know about the allusive and viciousz al:=$ baghdadi. [speaking foreign language] >> little is known about america's most wanted terrorist. 43-year-old abu al baghdadi. the isis leader has a 10-million-dollar u.s. bounty on his head. in july, he made a rare public appearance at a mosque in mosul, iraq. wearing what appeared to be an expensive watch he commonly cleaned his teeth before speaking to captive audience. the leader of isis went on a 15 minute rant. [ al baghdadi has claimed himself two different terms the. >> when video of baghdadi posted online, it was the first time many of his followers had ever laid eyes on him al bad dagy was also known as ibrahim al awad. sometimes also affixed to that is al samari that part of iraq. he is an islamic scholar. western scholars have sort of ridiculed his credentials. >> baghdadi has been a shadowy presence for a very long time. >> as a u.s. army intelligence officer kevin served three tours in iraq and afghanistan. after his military service he was a cia case officer in the middle east. >>

baghdadi climbed the ranks of al qaeda in iraq.ater they rebranded themselves as isis. >> he clearly leapfrogged ahead of al qaeda by going ahead and declaring a territorial state, something that has in many ways, empowered isis, the islamic state to really now lay claim to being the chief islamic terrorist organization in the world. >> i'm back with colonel oliver north and joining us is the author of "future jihad" where is he, al baghdadi? >> he is probably in syria. the place from which they branched out and taken from the levant to the south of baghdad as of yesterday. more than likely very well defended. and i think they have the same kind of physical infrastructure to protect them that we saw recently in gaza. >> you agree? i saw you nodding your head. >> they know and they built their infrastructure in raqqah. the president was so fixated on his red line about assad using chemical weapons and that's when baghdadi jumped from iraq into syria and they built the headquarters there. and that's when they really began their plans

here's what we know about the allusive and viciousz al:=$ baghdadi. foreign language] >> little is known about america's most wanted terrorist. 43-year-old abu al baghdadi. the isis leader has a 10-million-dollar u.s. bounty on his head. in july, he made a rare public appearance at a mosque in mosul, iraq. wearing what appeared to be an expensive watch he commonly cleaned his teeth before speaking to captive audience. the leader of isis went on a 15 minute rant. [ al baghdadi has claimed himself two different terms the. >> when video of baghdadi posted online, it was the first time many of his followers had ever laid eyes on him al bad dagy was also known as ibrahim al awad. sometimes also affixed to that is al samari that part of iraq. he is an islamic scholar. western scholars have sort of ridiculed his credentials. >> baghdadi has been a shadowy presence for a very long time. >> as a u.s. army intelligence officer kevin served three tours in iraq and afghanistan. after his military service he was a cia case officer in the middle east. >> there was

. >> reporter: while isis has a cabinet that runs the organization with abu bakr al-baghdadi acting as president it has a government running its state. >> it has a responsibility to hold the territory it has gained and it is fight on four fronts at least. and that's -- takes a lot of energy and resources and manpower and a lot of money. >> reporter: power, money, and pr. stephanie elam, cnn, los angeles. >> the threat of isis is our top story. but for other news around the world after the break, flooding, showing no mercy in india and pakistan. we'll have the latest from that region as cnn continues. >>> the death toll from monsoon flooding in india and pakistan has risen to more than 500 people. officials fear that could be much higher because of bodies that have been spotted floating near villages. rains started at the beginning of the month and the floods created a nightmare situation for both of the countries. for more on this very dangerous situation, ivan cabrera is tracking it all. >> we have two situations ongoing here. we have the people that are still in the path of the flood

what does al baghdadi want?ey: he wants power, influence, and authority and a return to the prestige of the islamic community, and he's going to start with syria and iraq. and his strategic vision is to expand into the gulf, jordan, from the mediterranean to pakistan. >> pelley: baghdadi preaches salafism. it is a tiny sect in islam that calls for a return to the origins of the faith 1,400 years ago. but baghdadi's interpretation injects lethal prejudice. under isis, those who reject salafism are non-believers, subject to execution. that applies to fellow muslims and their mosques. and it applies especially to non-muslims. what happened in your village when isis came in? >> nadaya ( translated ): they told us, "wave the white flag, we won't harm you, you'll be free to go." >> pelley: nadaya lived with her large family, including brothers sayid and khalid, in a village of yazidis, a non-muslim ethnic group in iraq. she asked us not to show you her face and when you hear her story you'll understand why. >> nadaya

but so far al baghdadi has not been in the sights of american warplanes. pentagon spokesman saying, quote, we have not conducted any targeted air strikes on specific isil leaders. pentagon officials say air strikes are authorized to protect u.s. personnel and facilities, support humanitarian efforts and support iraqi forces. a policy that has critics fuming. >> we need to be targeting the top isis military and strategic leadership. our policy up to now hasn't been good enough. it's a day late and a dollar short, and that's why isis is a threat to the united states. >> the military could recommend a drone or air strike on baghdadi, but any mission to kill him would have to be approved by president obama. >> when the president gives the word, there will be a formidable capability that will launch against this organization and perhaps against him. >> reporter: why hasn't the president given the order yet? the white house said they needed time to build the intelligence. >> i would anticipate that as our intelligence improves and crystallizes, that our military

also the threat from baghdadi and his isis commanders is relatively recent. a u.s.ligence official unchs patience here, telling cnn, quote, it is a real cat and mouse game, and in this game, the cat is an experienced hunter. >>> british prime minister david cameron is making aburgent trip to scotland to try to urge vote voters to reject independence. >> the leader is pulling out of his weekly prime minister questions to make the trip. he'll be joined by nick blair and opposition leader. >> the better together campaign warns thousands of jobs would be at risk in scotland from shipbuilding to the royal navy to those in the financial sector. >> it says a separate skok loan would seymour gaj repayments and shopping bills rise and that scotland would lose the strength and security of the pound as well as the bailout protections offered by the bank of england. the yes campaign says an oil-rich independent scott land would take action on rising energy bills and create a rainy day fund from its vast energy sector to provide security for the future. retirees would see their

the decision to release baghdady described as a surprise to us us officials bret? >> thank you. >> tomorrow, less than an hour here in the east is september 11th. amid and ahead of the solemn 13th anniversary, a look aat whether the tsa is trying to >>> this is a fox news alert. breaking news in the ray rice story. nfl said tonight former fbi director robert mueller will lead an investigation into how the league handled evidence of domestic abuse incident. today a law enforcement source told associated press he had a copy of the video to a lead executive. nfl maintains no one saw the images before this week but tonight announced the probe, overseen by perhaps the most-respected owners art rooney and john marra of the giants. we're 30 minute as way from september 11th. what will be the 13th anniversary of the terrorist attacks. our new fox news poll tonight asks is the country safer today than before that day? 43% say yes. 45%, say no. one of the main ways the federal government has tried to prevent a follow up attack from the air was a creation of the transportatio

we're allied with baghdadi. and i think there's an important -- there are some important things we should look at here. the awakening back in 2006-2007 which got rid of the old al qaeda out of iraq, the tribes in iraq and this tribal leader i was talking to was one of them. one of the reasons they rose up against al qaeda and iraq back then was because that al qaeda had essentially usurped their power. and they could see their own power dwindling. these are tribal leaders who control their tribes because they can -- because they have influence over them. they set justice, they settle disputes. all those sorts of things. they no longer have that power. that was part of their motivation, to rise up against al qaeda. baghdadi has learned from al qaeda. so when this tribal leader says to me, we have a good relationship with baghdadi, you've got to understand that baghdadi knows better how to treat these tribal leaders and how to keep them on side. so awakening is the way forward. but it may not be as easy to pull it

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al baghdadi himself is a rock star as far as the jihad movement is concern. if he conducted an attack and if that attack coincided with the 13th anniversary of the 9/11 attacks, then that would catapult him beyond, you know, beyond catch up. neil, another problem is that al qaeda and the arabian peninsula, two attacks with the explosives in the cartridges, the ink cart rings and copy machines, these guys also have a new explosives compound that can't be detected by our sen source. they recently pled solidarity with isis. after we conducted air strikes on isis.

baghdadi controlled a small fledgling state in syria for most of the time. thing that's particular to his interpretation of islamic law and that is that he is from a particular tribe and in islamic law there's a kalif, the head of the caliphate and you have to have that lineage. bin laden did not have it but baghdadi does. >> you note that they doesn't have the support of even majority of the ultraradical muslims. does that -- does he have a risk in terms of how effectively they can stay in power? >> right now he really does control the territory, he controls quite well. but there is a risk, certainly, he'd be alienating huge numbers of people, not everyday muslims who have no interest in fighting but the radical old guard of al qaeda and really the older they are, the less likely they are to be signing on to his claim to be the only true rightful leader of muslims. >> you write about him saying, quote, given baghdadi more time might make him more plausible in the role and allow him to draw more fighters to his state. if that is true, one concern western col

we've got threats streams coming in from core al qaeda, we have threats screens coming in from al baghdadi in isis, and al qaeda in the peninsula not only pledging solidarity, neil, but also saying because the americans have attacked you, we will launch mass casualty attacks against them. and they didn't say in the united states, but if you follow the intelligence, you have to consider that that would be a major coup. >> they've maded it clear beyond just their neck of the woods. thank you very much. >> thank you, neil. >>> here's how bad this threat is getting. even the mainstream media is panicking. and when the comes to the president, scorching. the new york daily news today asking, do you have a strategy now, mr. president? right on his front page. and op ed in the washington post focussing on what it call its the president's unnerving happy talk. advised three u.s. presidents,

baghdadi. he has a committed army of 12,000 terrorist soldiers, many of whom he released from terrorist prisons. they have a form of government. islamic shari'a law. and they follow that to the t. they have money from banks that they've robbed from, oil fields, from the rev -- robbed from oil fields, from the revenue of gas fields. they also have self-sustaining infrastructure with their energy production. they're seeking to obtain weapons of mass destruction. they obtained 90 pounds of low enriched uranium. there's now a fear that materials that could be used to form a nuclear bomb are items on the wish list and the shopping list of the islamic state. we need to do everything that we can to prevent them from achieving their goal of putting together the elements for a nuclear weapon. we also need to be aware that pakistan is also in all have nerble position -- in a vulnerable position. there are reports that pakistan may have upwards of 200 nuclear weapons. pakistan is a sunni state. the islami

baghdadi is the leader. he does have a military council which do have a lot of responsibility. they are very prescriptive in terms of the battles that they engage, in terms of their strategy. there is about an eight-man ruling military council. they are responsible for all of the strategic decisions. they push toward erbil, the push into baghdad and now the reinforced emphasis on syria. >> well, it is concerning. i'm really glad we had a chance to talk to you about it. i'm hoping you can come back and talk to us again. thank you for joining us. >> you want to stay with cnn. president obama is set to speak any moment. he's wrapping up his trip in newport, wales. he's expected to answer questions about ukraine, russia, and isis. we're going to bring that to you live after the break. ♪ foghorn sounds loudly ♪ what's seattle's favorite noise? the puget sound! ♪ foghorn sounds loudly ♪ all right, never mind doesn't matter. this is a classic. what does an alien seamstress sew with? a space needle! ♪ foghorn sounds loudly continuously ♪ oh come off it captain! geico. fifteen minutes c

the decision to release baghdady described as a surprise to us us officials bret? >> thank you. >> tomorrow, less than an hour here in the east is september 11th. amid and ahead of the solemn 13th anniversary, a look aat whether the tsa is trying to prevent another september 11th-style attack. feet...tiptoeing. better things than the pain, stiffness, and joint damage of moderate to severe rheumatoid arthritis. before you and your rheumatologist decide on a biologic, ask if xeljanz is right for you. xeljanz (tofacitinib) is a small pill, not an injection or infusion, for adults with moderate to severe ra for whom methotrexate did not work well. xeljanz can relieve ra symptoms, and help stop further joint damage. xeljanz can lower your ability to fight infections, including tuberculosis. serious, sometimes fatal infections and cancers have happened in patients taking xeljanz. don't start xeljanz if you have any infection, unless ok with your doctor. tears in the stomach or intestines, low blood cell counts and higher liver tests and cholesterol levels have happened.

so one thing about baghdady, he commands a younger generation of jihadists.now al qaeda from the war on terror. but what we might not realize is that there's actually a big gap between what isis wants and what al qaeda was working for. so al qaeda never controlled territory in the way the caliphate does. which meant that in no way could they credibly claim to have a caliphate. that means that now that this youngish upstart has shown up, many of the older generation of jihadists have rejected him and actually there's quite a bit of acrimony between them. so the old guard of al qaeda, the gray beards, are pretty strongly opposed, in fact, to the caliphate and its declaration by abu bakr al baghdadi. >> oh the notion of bin laden, i read in the washington post, about bin laden's regrets. and this all ties together. just hang with me. the consequence of unmitigated violence is a lesson osama bin laden himself learned. he goes on, before he was killed in 2011, his final months were reportedly filled with delusion and regret. he feared his muslim brothers had turne

al baghdadi moved elite and foreign fighters among civilian populations, knowing that the u.s. force cannot target civilians. >> reporter: hashimi says this alliance could drive more terror groups to join forces with isis. but having egypt and saudi arabia on board is essential to countering isis' narrative. >> translator: help is needed from saudi and egyptian religious scholars. this is key to extracting isis from roots. >> reporter: excluding iran, arguably the most influential player is dangerous, he says. >> translator: iran controls the shias. >> reporter: he says the united states should have one strategy for fighting isis in iraq and syria, the tactics would be different. >> translator: americans don't have to apply the afghanistan and iraq strategy in syria. >> reporter: it would include special forces operations and air strikes. but syria is far more complex. air streaikes alone, he says wod benefit the regime, arming rebels will not do the job. he believes it will require ground forces. with reaction seemingly slow, he says isis is now preparing for the next phase an

>> i'm quite certain that isis is staying off the phone and nobody around baghdadi would have a cell instance or any sort of communication. we are not well positioned to do this. >> but a u.s. intelligence official tells cnn the intelligence on isis leaders is good and there is a tracked record of success. osama bin laden in pakistan. al awlaki in yemen. some analysts say killing baghdadi won't be effective because someone else will simply take his place. others disagree. saying leaders like baghdadi bring special skills. >> what he brings is really a different image and mentality, mindset, and what -- we see this playing out through the group'sing a a agrees saggressie use of tactics, its ideology. everyone the twitter campaign. all centerly planned and organized. >> officials point on the threat from baghdadi is relatively recent. an official urges patience telling us it is a real cat and mouse game and in this case the cat is an experienced hunter. >> you have information on how tough it is to track this leader. >> we get the clear picture he is a very clever and elusive operator.

a leader calling al siri the right arm of baghdadi. they have not confirmed his death but it would be a significant victory if true. the pentagon has launched 124 airstrikes in iraq since the launching in early august. they destroyed weapons, armored vehicles and supply lines. most importantly the airstrikes seemed to have move isis back away from iraq's capital, baghdad and also providing iraqi military breathing room to launch counterattacks and regroup. remember earlier this summer the iraqi military was in disarray and dropping their weapons and fleeing, not fighting. that seems to have changed somewhat around baghdad and other parts, but, heather, everybody is saying in terms of military analysts and officials airstrikes are just the beginning. more has to be done against isis in order to push them out of iraq and sort of defeat them in their home base of syria. heather? >> conor powell in jerusalem, thank you very much. very interesting story. we'll see if we can get that confirmed if that guy was killed by us air strikes. jon: e

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is it baghdadi, the leader of the group? is it all five to seven to 10,000 of the fighters. >> that's my question. this isn't a criminal matter. if it's a war crime first of all you have to have a war. we are not engaging in a war. at some point you single out, after you have won the war, who are the most egregious betrayers of what's considered acceptable behavior, even a military campaign. that's when you get to neuronburg. we are nowhere near that. the idea we'll have holder there with g-men to find baghdadi, you hit the point there without intentionally doing so. it's absurd to say we'll go there, grab somebody and put them in on a eichman-type raid like the israelis. we're not a little country. we are a big country. >> this is furtherering the whack-a mole problem. some part of the organization, related one or fellow travellers pops up this in somalia or throw a dart at the world. >> there are people in isis now who weren't in it two weeks ago. >> the idea that we can surgically go after pieces parts of that probably wo

>> certainly, al baghdadi is aware he's a massive american target at this point.groups is, decapitation is not a strategy, it's just an element of a strategy. >> and in terms of a decapitation, no one knows where al baghdadi is. he is so reclusive. he's much like bin laden in the sense that sometimes you'll see an image on video but it's outdated and he doesn't give regular updates or messages. this has got to be a brutal task for america or this new coalition to try to track down his whereabouts if they want him to suffer the same fate. >> just as tracking down ayman al zawahiri, bin laden's former lieutenant, and now the head of al qaeda. the success we've had at decapitating the leaders we've done attest to the ability of our intelligence agencies. >> a good reminder al zawahiri is still alive and still pumping out videos. i think one just last week as well. professor rascoff, thank you. the united states has been conducting air strikes against the isis group in iraq. now there's another tool in that fight. ahead, a look at america's propaganda videos. yes, cou

abu bakr al-baghdadi, declaring himself to be the caliph of the islamic state declared all to obey them. and ayman al zawahiri is saying, "hang on, i'm the man in charge of my group." . do you think one may take on the other? >> yes, we have the scene in syria, a struggle between a group, which is recognised by al qaeda, and the is, which is a splinter group. absolutely we have a major fight, struggle, between the two branches, between the competition, which is clear, on the syrian battlefield. the is, the islamic state is winning the fight now. and enough for now, gradually using ground, which is recognised by al qaeda as a religious movement. >> would it be counterproductive for the islamic state and abu bakr al-baghdadi and some of his followers to say, "hang on, time to get rid of al qaeda", and think the target should be someone like ayman al zawahiri. >> well, for the is, they consider al qaeda as too soft, have no determination, unactive and not representing the principle of islam, the argument is not only who control the ground or finance and recruit, it is who is controlling th

the king told us al baghdadi is a heretic. >> i think to use the word "islam" and him in the same ptntence is not acceptable, that he even speaks in the name of islam, for me, is just so horrendous and so shocking. >> pelley: king abdullah ii of jordan. tonight security around the perimeter of the white house is noticeably tighter, but some say it would amount to locking the door after the intruder got in. we learned a lot more today about the man who had no trouble scaling a white house fence on friday evening, racing across the lawn and opening an unlocked door, walking inside. ns turns out it was not the first run-in that he has had with the law for this decorated military veteran, and it is the latest in an embarrassing lapse for the agency charged with protecting the president. major garrett is at the white house tonight. major? >> reporter: scott, the suspect in friday's security breach was known to law enforcement. virginia police arrested him in july with a sawed-off shotgun, sniper rifle and map of d.c. with the white house circled. last month, he was stopped but not arrested near

baghdadi's policy and running the islamic state. function like departments or ministries, there is a leadership council, that makes the laws, council which advises. a legal council, the ones lv call onhe1 executions, the security council handles the executions. the intelligence council is like the cia, they spy on their enemies much the financial council are the freshry and you were just discussing how the islamic state has a lot of money in coffers. they're the ones that manage it sell the oil. there is a council to help jihadists coming over from other countries to help them get in and out mostly from turkey and a media council responsible for propaganda. people giving them credit for doing that job very well. you have to consider this realm now has 8 million syrians and iraqis living within it. that's a lot of people to be administering. you need to have a governing structure. now we are getting a clear picture of what that looks like, greta? >> is this structure all in one place? you know, and the reason why i ask is they are al

by 2009, their leader was replacing zarqawi was a new mysterious figure who called himself al baghdadi. nobody knows anything about him. it just means he claims to be from baghdad. al qaeda had always been strongest in the sunni part of iraq. the sunni western part of iraq in al anbar province. at one point they had declared the city of ramadi in al anbar to be the capital of the islamic state of iraq. geographically speaking if you're in western iraq, in al anbar province, if you go further west from there, where you are after you cross a desert border is in eastern syria. when syria's civil war started simmering and boiling over in 2011, leader of the islamic state in iraq, this guy al baghdadi was very happy to send his fighters a little further west. send his fighters out of al anbar province in western iraq across the border so they're operating not only in western iraq but also in eastern syria. that is the thumbnail history of this group. they first split from al qaeda central in what is essentially a middle management style turf dispute. but where they come from is the same lon

even so, killing al baghdadi won't end isis' grip. >> if we remove abu al baghdadi, there's probablyy who is going to immediately step up and take his place. >> the head of the u.s. national counter-terrorism center says at this point, there is no credible information isis plans to attack the u.s. homeland. >> as formidable as isil is as a group, it is not invincible. >> but 350 additional u.s. troops are going to the u.s. embassy in baghdad out of concern isis could try to launch a suicide bomb attack there. >> for now, u.s. officials say there is no direct threat to the u.s. embassies in baghdad, but this now puts more than 1,000 u.s. troops on the ground inside iraq. jake? >>ing. >> barbara starr, thank you. let's bring in retired army lieutenant michael babaro and he now, would on oil and gas projects in the country. he just returned from the kurdistan region this week. good to see you. one of the things president obama and prime minister cameron are trying to do is drup up international support. this has been vexing me since the crisis began. what is the problem? why is it so di

it's not clear that he's quite as extreme as ba baghdadi. baghdadi has been encouraging forces to undertake atrocities and he is not known to fall into that extraordinarily extreme camp into tell us the guy from al she bob that the u.s. did kill earlier this week. who is he? >> godane had been a very contentious leader within, al s that bob. one prom squabble was against another she bob's leader. very recently even late august, you had a high level leader win shah bob publicly accusing him of being a western intelligence agent. when he was in somalia for the meeting, it was looking specifically at the impact of an african union offensive trying to take back territory in southern somalia from shah bob. it's not clear who all died but it could be -- both isis and al shabaab are more prone to being fractured by losing leadership. >> coming up next on "the lead," it is the deadliest ebola outbreak on record and shows no sign of slowing down. a closer look what's fueling the spread of the virus as another american patient with it comes home for t

>> i think any kind of diplomacy withal baghdadi has proven to be pointless. even the fact that steven sotloff's mother made that heart warming plea to him, referring to him as a khalif, being respectful had no effect. the debate is is the united states doing enough, should the united states bomb, should we get in bed with bashar al assad, which i think would be a very bad idea. we are not talking about this as a regional problem. this terrorist organization is a threat to its neighbors, more than it is a threat to the united states. i think that's why saudi arabia has given $100 million to the u.n. to fight terrorism. that's why both saudi leaders, leaders in egypt, everyone who is a religious leader has come out against him and needs to be dealt with regionally. thanks so much for your insights, appreciate it. >> all this week, we've brought stories from brooks county, texas, this remote part of texas at the center of the border crisis. >> the local sheriff said more than 400 migrants have died there since 2009 trying to avoid border patrol agents. it is est

>> well, the question is, for instance, how do you decapitate isis, how do you get to baghdadi?he's apparently in raqqa. i would doubt he's going up on cell phones, very difficult to find him. you could carpet bomb that city, but you would kill a lot of sunni. but i think that they would sort of welcome that. the more casualties we can inflict on sunni muslims, the more recruits they'll get. nic is absolutely right. and i think this is what's fascinating about this group. rather than random strikes against the west, the world trade center, or the london tube, they have concentrated on the shia, which is a much more, you know, potent issue for sunni muslims. it's a wounded civilization. they say finally after these years we're striking back against the corrupt saudi monarchy, against the -- its american protectors. and yes, try come killing us, but we own the land and we're going to hit back at you. and if the cia is right about going from 10 to 15,000 to 30 to 35,000 core members, that's significant number of increased support. >> and in following up on that, they want to have t