al baghdadi has shown his face publicly only once.hen he gave a sermon to his followers. but back when the u.s. had him under lock and key, he was seen as, believe it or not, a man who could be trusted. >> the americans seem to see abu bakr as someone who could keep the prison quiet. there are 24 camps within the sunni side of camp bucca, he was allowed open access to all of them. >> he wasn't considered from everything that we know now a high-level detainee, and he was allowed to, you know, lead prayers, he was allowed to give religious lessons. >> the future leader of isis was giving other inmates lessons on islam. those inmates were jihadists or former ba'athists, henchmen of saddam, or simply common criminals. >> it most assuredly was a jihadist university. unquestionably. >> put them all together in the baking heat of southern iraq, with al baghdadi, a man who dreamed of a new kind of terror, it was a recipe for isis. >> they were meeting, they were playing soccer together, they were strategizing together. >> one thing is clear,

al baghdadi has shown his face publicly only once.hen he gave a sermon to his followers. but back when the u.s. had him under lock and key, he was seen as, believe it or not, a man who could be trusted. >> the americans seem to see abu bakr as someone who could keep the prison quiet. there are 24 camps within the sunni side of camp bucca, he was allowed open access to all of them. >> he wasn't considered from everything that we know now a high-level detainee, and he was allowed to, you know, lead prayers, he was allowed to give religious lessons. >> the future leader of isis was giving other inmates lessons on islam. those inmates were jihadists or former ba'athists, henchmen of saddam, or simply common criminals. >> it most assuredly was a jihadist university. unquestionably. >> put them all together in the baking heat of southern iraq, with al baghdadi, a man who dreamed of a new kind of terror, it was a recipe for isis. >> they were meeting, they were playing soccer together, they were strategizing together. >> one thing is clear,

at camp bucca. >> baghdadi was an average person.just a sunni foot soldier when he was arrested by the americans. >> reporter: but by the time al baghdadi left, he was someone else. >> all we know is that baghdadi became an entirely different creature in terms of radicalization, in terms of militarization, in terms of building a huge network of militants in the prison. >> reporter: at camp bucca, al baghdadi networked with hundreds of jihadis, at least some of whom would later join isis. and the day would come when he would also need military expertise. enter saddamusin army. dismissed by the americans, many now at camp bucca. men with exactly the skillset al baghdadi could later make use of. and then he was set free. the future leader of isis was recommended for unconditional release by a military review board in december 2004. they did not consider him a threat. whether it turns out al baghdadi is the mastermind of isis or a figurehead, the fact remains the united states has put a $10 million price tag on his head. when we come bac

al baghdadi has shown his face publicly once, last year when he gave a sermon to his followers.when the u.s. had him under lock and key, he was seen as, believe it or not, a man who could be trusted. >> the americans seemed to see him as somebody who could keep the prison quiet. 24 camps within the sunni side of camp bucca, he was allowed open access to all of them. >> he wasn't considered from everything we know now a high level detain ee. he was allowed to lead prayers and allowed to give religious lessons. >> the future leader of isis was giving other inmates lessons on islam. >> al baghdadi went through a transformation at camp bucca. >> he was an average person, just a sunni foot soldier when he was arrested by the americans. >> by the time al baghdadi left, he was someone else. >> all we know is that al baghdadi became an entirely different creature in terms of radicalization and militarization and in terms of building a huge network and militants in the prison. >> at camp bucca, he networked with hundreds of jihadis, some of whom would later join sis sis and the day would

and who is al baghdadi daddy? >> al baghdadi daddy is from the northern part of the iraq. he grew up in a pious household. his nickname growing was was "the believer" because he was known for his devotion to religious text but also he had a penchant for telling people off, for not adhearing to his strict understanding of islamic law. and throughout his life, he gravitated towards more and more extreme forms and ultraconservative forms of islam until in the year 2000 he became what call a jihaddist. at the same time, he was also getting his graduate degree. he eed up getting a ph.d. in koranic studies in 2007 while he was fighting an insurgency. and he was very clever in navigating the cutthroat politics of the islamic state and rose through its ranges to become its leader in 2010. >> rose: he was also in prison for a while. >> he was. the americans detained him in early 2004. he was at the wrong place at the wrong time. he was only there for nine months, but he made some very important connections in prison. he served as a spiritual already, oh, imam, working with other ji

and who is al baghdadi? he is from a northern part of iraq. his nickname growing up was "the believer," because he had a devotion to religious texts, but for tellingant people off for not hearing to -- adhering to his form of islamic law. throughout his life, he gravitated toward more and more extreme forms and ultraconservative forms of islam until the year 2000 he big basically became what we call a jihadist and was seeking out to carry out revolution against the state. at the same time he was getting his graduate degree. he ended up getting a phd in 2007 while he was fighting an insurgency. he was very clever in navigating the cutthroat politics of the islamic state and rose through its rank to become its leader in 2010. charlie: he was also in prison for a while. will: he was. he was detained by the americans in 2004. he was only there for nine months. he made important connections. he served as a spiritual leader, imam, working with other jihadists, but also members of saddam hussein's regime. he kept those connections. many came up with

he was the key point to the isis leadership, perhaps al baghdadi as jim was pointing out.one calls to the cell in belgium. the police eventually went in. there was a big commando raid and they seized tatp, they seized -- >> tatp, which by the way the explosive used in the vests here in the suicide attacks among the attackers. >> this is another point to me made by french authorities. they believe, of course syria the home base, in effect, for these attacks, but belgium was, in effect, a staging area. >> operating area. >> although many of the attackers were french, two from the south of paris. french authorities say they believe that was intentional. that belgium doesn't have the capability, doesn't have the resources to monitor as france does. they took advantage of that, in fact, to stage the attack and come across the border here. >> one important fact from-b him, this is reporting from lemond, there was a french isis fighter who came back to france, arrested in august, and he backed out of plots to launch an attack against a concert venue in france. when he was interro

happened in a particular city, and it did, but it was not a strike on the overall isis leader, al baghdadi. this was a strike on a regional leader. and when we know from our pentagon sources the outcome of that strike, we'll let you know. >>> fers, though, let's go to correspondent lisa holland for a look book at the details as they unfolded last night. [ explosions ] >> reporter: famed for its culture, parisians enjoying their friday evening were sitting ducks for the terrorists. on a mild november night, this is how three hours of carnage began to unfold. these are the first victims of six simultaneous attacks. a masked gunman opened fire with an automatic weapon, shooting three windows at a cafe and restaura restaurant. >> translator: i heard some noise when i was at the bistro which is where i work. i got out. i started running. i was looking for where the sound was coming from. i figured out it was coming from the bush. i arrived at the scene, and there were lots of dead bodies on the ground. lots of dead bodies. lots of dead bodies. >> reporter: by now the number of dead had already

happened in a particular city, and it did, but it was not a strike on the overall isis leader, al baghdadi. this was a strike on a regional leader. and when we know from our pentagon sources the outcome of that strike, we'll let you know. >>> fers, though, let's go to correspondent lisa holland for a look book at the details as they unfolded last night. [ explosions ] >> reporter: famed for its culture, parisians enjoying their friday evening were sitting ducks for the terrorists. on a mild november night, this is how three hours of carnage began to unfold. these are the first victims of six simultaneous attacks. a masked gunman opened fire with an automatic weapon, shooting three windows at a cafe and restaura restaurant. >> translator: i heard some noise when i was at the bistro which is where i work. i got out. i started running. i was looking for where the sound was coming from. i figured out it was coming from the bush. i arrived at the scene, and there were lots of dead bodies on the ground. lots of dead bodies. lots of dead bodies. >> reporter: by now the number of dead had already

it was that baghdadi wanted to attack europe. he was very aggressive about wanting to get operations from syria into europe. they split over that because zawahiri wanted him to stay focused in syria. you're seeing the fruit of all of that planning, all of that training and lots of space to operate. as a matter of fact a state the size of indiana they have the option to plan these type of events, recruit, train and then now deploy operatives to these countries. that's a change that's concerning. >> phil, you used to be a top official of the cia. cia director john brennan today with some very sobering words, basically the u.s. top spy that other isis plots are already in the works. how concerning an admission is this? >> you got to look at this as pretty high spectrum. the reasons are simple. look at a couple characteristics of groups you have to focus on. in nearly 15 years of post-9/11 plotting, we've seen plotting in africa, asia, middle east. characteristics here are unique. that's a group that's had time to plot. they've been

he has a distaste for al baghdadi -- he finds them insubordinate. there is a lot of bad blood between them, figuratively and literally. they have been fighting skirmishes. has recently held out and all of france, saying about never recognize your caliphate, but i will work with you on the ground. it's not inconceivable there could be some rapprochement between the two groups. ian: it is not clear how much that will even matter. he is consistently referred to and described by isis as being a doddering old man who is irrelevant to jihad today. as a global organization -- it doesn't make him look great if al baghdadi is thought to be on the front fighting, where is he some cave somewhere watching a big-screen tv. ♪ charlie: in places they control, do they offer these services of a fully functioning state? >> they do, in fact. they take out the garbage. i think that is one of the interesting things. one of the interesting challenges when they went to how myra, for example, the old roman city to the southeast. yra.wo palm can they really govern? i think

not only had al baghdadi in custody, he was actually allowed to teach islam to fellow inmates.isis was declaring itself a caliphate, an islamic state, and across the world, young muslims heard the call. >> i'm a young brother from syria. they struggled with how to go on ground combat. >> the iraq army banned positions. >> the same that famously run from battle when confronted by isis. >> the iraqi army out numbered isis 20, 30-1 in isil, the second largest city and basically surrounded it without a fight. >> perhaps the most important question is, does it make sense to go to war again in a country that may not even be a country anymore? listen to the people who know iraq well. >> iraq doesn't exist except lines on a map. >> most iraqis no longer see themselves as iraqis. they seem themselves as shia or they seem themselves as sunni or they see themselves as kurds, and u.s. foreign policy, like it or not, probably has to adapt to a post-iraqi era. i keep saying the rand mcnally of the middle east has probably seen its day. >> the map tells the story. up here in the north is kurd

if he is, presumably al baghdadi knew about this if not ordered the attack. what's your assumption. >> we have to be cautious about what assumptions we make. triangulating on the notion this was directed from syria but who directed it from sira is to be determined. >> what's the latest information about the evacuation of the soccer stadium in germany where the chancellor of germany was to attend with thousands of others? >> the germans, as they said, got foreign intelligence, suggesting there might be a threat. i in an abundance of caution they cleared the areas but as german officials said they haven't as yet found any explosives but i think everybody is being appropriately cautious in the aftermath of what happened in paris. >> the chair of the ranking democrat, i thoul say, senate intelligence committee, senator feinstein, said isis is expanding and have capable to hit the u.s. yesterday john brennan expects more isis attacks, more were plots in his words, in the pipeline. does the white house believe more attacks are coming, and maybe here in the united s

again, based on cnn reporting, he apparently was close to abu bakir al baghdadi.s is significant. previously the way isis behaved, they would possibly offer you money. once you left the caliphate or established a cell or network in university. you ran your own autonomous cell or agency of terrorists. there was no command and control exercised. if this guy the mastermind, alleged mastermind was close to baghdadi. >> that speaks a level of coordination that emnates from raqqa the capital. >> michael weiss -- >> probably. >> i have to cut you off. stay with us. we have breaking news. i want to bring in, pardon me, michael, frederick, we sent you to check on this, apparently you did. you got some information regarding a northern paris suburb, a police raid. what do you know? >> reporter: yeah, there is a little bit of information coming out. it's not very much at this point. in time, don, however with eare seeing a pictures on social media that seem to indicate there might be shooting and some sort of concussions going on in the northern suburb of paris and there is w

>> well, we all have hopes that, of course, we can take out al baghdadi. but this will tell baghdadi that we're watching. we're trying to find him. i think he may redouble his security efforts. he's paranoid about security anyway. so i think this may drive him further underground because he saw what we could do here and he's got to think they're coming for me next. >> great to have you on the program. thank you so much for your perspective. >> the police are letting more from one of the attackers who survived. and kurdish fighters say they are very close to reclaiming a major city in the battle of isis. we're on frontlines in iraq next on cnn news room live from l.a. do stay with us. ♪ a new world hangs ♪ outside the window ♪ beautiful and strange ♪ it must be ♪ falling away ♪ i must be ♪ sound and color ♪ it's the final countdown! ♪ ♪ the final countdown! if you're the band europe, you love a final countdown. it's what you do. if you want to save fifteen percent or more on car insurance, you switch to geico. it's what you do. we all know that directv's be

very close to abu bakr al baghdadi.he sources says abaaoud would be in contact with baghdadi in attack like this. what is isis' goal in launching mass casualties on soft targets? >> i think their goal is to push back against those who are pushing against them and to make sure people feel vulnerable at home such they will maybe not engage in the kind of counter isis activities we've seen of late. >> and more asymmetric attacks could be on the way from isis. cia director john brennan says given the resources devoted to the paris assaults, the weapons, the explosives, that probably wasn't the only operation isis had in the pipeline. and in a new propaganda video put out since the paris attacks, isis has threatened to hit paris again, to attack rome and washington, d.c. wolf. >> and u.s. officials are taking those threats seriously, brian, thanks very much. let's bring in our experts former congresswoman jane harmon, top democrat on the house intelligence committee, she now heads the woodrow wilson center here in washington

he's not baghdadi. fish here. >> and richard, if it is, indeed, this jihadi john who was hit, this would be the united states working with the brits, mostly? >> reporter: the brits have come out and said that -- david cameron has said that the two governments worked "hand in glove," was a british citizen, or if he's not been killed, is a british citizen. this obviously is a very significant story for the uk, because so many british foreign jihadis have traveled to syria, traveled to iraq to fight with isis, and it is something that european countries and britain in particular are deeply concerned about. but the actual military strike was, as far as i know, a u.s. military strike. but the british government could have certainly been involved in gathering intelligence, finding out more about his background, finding out more about the connections he had. this was an individual who had been involved with extremist groups and heavy crime in the uk for the last several, several years and had been linked to ot

. >> reporter: isis leader baghdadi is long believed to be hiding inside isis' stronghold syrian cityf raqqah, but sources say they're trying to get out of raqqah, moving their locations to safer areas outside the city. >> it shows the pressure we're putting on isol is having. >> reporter: the hunt is on for baghdadi and at least six other senior isis officials including this key man, an isis commander the u.s. believes may now be directing attacks outside syria and iraq. >> i think they are more decentralized outside of syria and iraq because they know they are getting beat in those two countries. so they have been given the word, conduct attacks on your own soil. >> attacks they have ordered or inspired by isis include paris, beirut, and possibly the downing of the russian airliner in sinai, u.s. officials say. the french sending their own response, the aircraft carrier charles de gaulle launched their own strikes against isis targets. isis released a video showing what it says is damage inside raqqah, cnn cannot independently verify the images. defense secretary ash carter is to me

he is abdelhamid abaaoud, a close confidante of isis leader abu bakr al baghdadi. john is france aer former top terror judge. >> this guy is actually very close to the chief, to him, to baghdadi himself. for me, for me, but not evidence about that, but this huge attack has been issued or approved by al baghdadi himself. >> reporter: in a terror video isis is threatening to bring bloodshed to the streets of the u.s. >> translator: i swear to god a similar day that france went through, you will go through. i swear to god as we struck france in its stronghold, paris, we will strike america in its stronghold, washington. >> reporter: today cia director john brennen says the u.s. the taking the threat seriously. >> i would anticipate that is not the only operation that isil has in the pipeline. and security intelligence services right now in europe and other places are working feverishly to see what else they can do in terms of uncovering it. >> reporter: as the u.s. and europe prepare for more plots, france is now counting the missed signals for friday's deadly rampage

the assumption was that the ring leader abaaoud abdelhamid was in syria with abu bakr baghdadi, and now assumption is that he was in paris and maybe he has been killed. what is the latest that you are hearing? and clarissa, we will go to you and then ask jim. >> yes, wolf. what a difference a day makes, because yesterday we had heard that the french authorities had targeted abaaoud in syria, and as early as a month ago, and that target was thwarted, and he has been on the run for a month. the impression that the authors had was that he was inside of isis territory of syria and iraq, and we are now led to the fact that it may not be the case. big question mark. was he here in paris? killed in this raid? we still have a number of questions, and no answer, but that is why you are seeing the forensic experts, wolf. they are going through every last minuscule detail to get the dna testing, and a better sense of who was in the room, and what they were trying to carry out, and perhaps most importantly, w wolf, how far the network exp d expands. yesterday, it was a eighth attack thor and then a

to them" :50/vo/ still the potential loss would not please the *true* leader of isisi abu baba al-baghdadi and experts say isis is *sure* to retaliate.. this while u.s. forces t stepping up their game in the war on isis/sot/ colonel col. steven warren- u.s. army-spokesman, 16:01 "now this was significant of course because jihadi john was somewhat of an isil celebrity, if you will. 16:07 /bridge/ terror experts agree jihadi john was likely isis' number one celebrity but where one isis member dies there's honor which likely was jihadi john's s mber one objective.sot/salem :52 "these fighters thrive on the e idea of matyrdom.. in a sense they have a great pension plan that heaven 40 virgins a wonderful life and for many of these people matyrdom is what they seek" 1:06/vo/ the death of a sadistic killer like jihadi john according to terror experts would just be a temporary nuisancebecause like so many other leaders of terrorists organizations in ththpast thth the u.s. has killed there's always *more* jihadists willing to take their place/sot/2:47 salem "so far, no lack of candidates to be suic

i remember al baghdadi, first time he was seen on television he did a big speech and was wearing a gold rolex. >> money matters to everybody whether you are in manhattan or the desert, you like a nice rolex. i'm surprised you haven't seized upon the idea that we can fight them on all fronts. they are making $50 million a month off the oil. take it away. fantastic. i think it's great. i would add that, you know, this is something we should be giving president obama credit for. even late to the party, fine. at least he's there. we are hitting -- i have been fun of before on this show. i believe my first kwoez cash where i said we could drop propaganda pamphlets and people made fun of me. foreign policy by kinko's. >> jessica just fixed the isis problem. drop a lot of pamphlets on them. michelle said if you are driving an isis truck with oil. they are not isis fighters. they have been forced to do that. so it's humane to warn them. >> now they want to make sure all the pamphlets aren't blown away by the heavy winds. >> we are going paperless. >> we'll leave it there. coming up, president o

. >> this guy is actually very close to the chief, to baghdadi himself. for me, for me, this huge attack has been issued or approved by baghdadi himself. >> reporter: we learned that there are some 11,000 jihadi suspects across france today. just imagine that figure in the u.s. >> because this weekend it was 5,000. >> 5,000. here's the categories. 5,000 people suspected of being involved in terrorism or thinking about terrorism and a further few thousand who have been radicalized, in touch with a jihadi website, this kind of thing. so you have several gradations here and they don't have the ability to track. but we spoke to a candidate from the conservative party who says it affects -- you have to detain some of these people even before they commit a crime. imagine that. it's effectively preventive detention. and we got a little taste of that in the last 24 hours. 104 people under house arrest in france tonight who haven't committed a crime, necessarily. >> right. >> but they are considered risks. >> the deputy of the mayor of paris is going to join me an

they targeted an aide to baghdadi in august. >>> police in japan are honing their anti terrorism skills. the exercise involved about 80 people. police trained along staff that operate the ship. some attempted to negotiate with the mock terrorist but that was just a way to distract him. officers snuck aboard and got the man from behind. their team later disposed of his explosives. >> translator: we want to work with the private sector to counterterrorism in any conceivable situation. >> japan will host the g 7 summit next year and the olympics in 2020. the police chief in charge of the drill saying working with ship operators will be a vital aspect of security. >>> republican lawmakers in the u.s. are preparing to submit a bill to the hourpt -- house of representatives on thursday to stop refugees from being accepted. >> we are a compassionate nation. we always have been and we always will be, but we also must remember that our first priority is to protect the american people. >> the obama administration said in september that the u.s. would accept at least 10,000 syrian refugees over th

isis leader abu bakr al baghdadi is long believed to be hiding inside isis syria stronghold of raqqah. but the u.s. has intelligence showing some isis leaders are trying to get out of raqqah, cnn has learned. leaders moving their operations to safer locations outside the city. >> it shows the effect that our air strikes and the pressure that we're putting on isil is having. >> reporter: the hunt is on for baghdadi and at least six other senior isis officials including this key man, an isis commander the u.s. believes may now be directing attacks outside syria and iraq. >> i think they have become more decentralized outside of syria and iraq because they know they are getting beat in those two countries. so they have given the word, conduct attacks on your local soil. >> reporter: attacks outside syria and iraq perhaps ordered or inspired by isis include paris, beirut, and possibly the downing of the russian airliner in sinai, u.s. officials say. the french sending their own response, the aircraft carrier charles de gaulle launched its first air strikes against isis targets. isis relea

you have new information, i take it a source telling you the isis leader al baghdadi has ordered attacksall countries fighting isis including iran? what can you tell us? >> well, according to a senior iraqi official, iraqi officials briefed a number of countries including france about a plot that they had detected ordered by al baghdadi, the leader of isis, in which a couple of dozen militants were trained for an operation in raqqa, the de facto capital of isis, and that they briefed this to french officials as recently as 24 hours ago. now, of course, you know, it's easy to say with 20/20 hindsight that this was, you know, sort of an overlooked piece of intelligence information, and as often in any of these types of events, wolf, there's always plenty of signals in the system which suddenly become very clear after the event but were not clear before the event. >> jeremy, you worked at the cia, you worked at the pentagon. what does the u.s. military now need to do based on everything you're hearing, not just to contain isis as they say, but actually destroy isis in syria and iraq? >> wel

it's a very broad there, basically baghdadi, saying that he's going to carry out attacks at everyone,ally everyone involved in this coalition but the foreign minister adding that he shared that with the french before these attacks took place. now, you do speak to french intelligence, you speak to u.s. intelligence, and what they will say is that they will get warnings like this frequently. >> i'm sure they do. yes. >> so the difficulty becomes, as you're gauging which are the most serious, which are the most, you know, substantiated, that's a difficult thing to do. >> very difficult thing to do. >> i will say, though, that the reason we wanted to make a point of sharing this with all of you is this is the first time we've seen any sort of a number. right? we understand that there were seven, maybe there were eight attackers. >> right. >> who is at large, how many people were involved. >> he says 24. >> this may not answer the full question there in terms of the network. but it is a number, 24. and that they did train in raqqah specifically, which is -- >> which is where the french --

to them" :50/vo/ still the potential loss would not please the *true* leader of isis abu bakr al-baghdadi and experts say isis is *sure* to retaliate.. this while u.s. forces try stepping up their game in the war on isis/sot/ colonel col. steven warren- u.s. army-spokesman, 16:01 "now this was significant of course because jihadi john was somewhat of an isil celebrity, if you will. 16:07 /bridge/ terror experts agree jihadi john was likely isis' number one celebrity but where one isis member dies there's honor which likely was jihadi john's number one objective.sot/salem :52 "these fighters thrive on the idea of matyrdom.. in a sense they have a great pension plan that when you die.. you go to heaven 40 virgins a wonderful life and for many of these people matyrdom is what they seek" 1:06/vo/ the death of a sadistic killer like jihadi john according to terror experts would just be a temporary nuisancebecause like so many other leaders of terrorists organizations in the past that the u.s. has killed there's always *more* jihadists willing to take their place/sot/2:47 salem "so far, no lack

to who calls himself el baghdadi and to say clear things about our allegiance and a on as a muslim andritual allegiance to god and our allegiance to our country. >> reporter: people here in plus lidges are horrified that paris are well a well of the security problems. but many french muslims say they face violence for speak out against isil and its supporters. those threats are not putting everyone off. this video features young french muslims saying they are horrified by the november the 13th other at. we are united say the signs, but organizations by like the union of french mosques accept that maintain that go unity is a big challenge. >> translator: the vast majority of young muslims are proud of being french. they want to serve their country but it's undeniable that a certain number of young french people, whether muslim or not, face social and economic problems and sometimes don't feel politically represented. this can lead some people to turn inwards. >> reporter: that's the opposite of what people like mohamed are doing. he hope that his by denouncing those behind the attacks a

which is the israeli newspaper is reporting that iraqi intelligence has reported that abu bakr al-baghdadi who is the leader of i.s.i.l. called for an attack on coalition forces and also iran and russia within the last handful of days calling on members to carry out bombings safnlingseassassinations or hose taking. if the information was a little better than it had been something might have been done to reduce the carnage onfully. we don't know that for certain but currently that's the way the military's thinking. randall. >> thank you john terret, in washington. >>> there is an international manhunt for one of the suspects, armed and dangerous likely. dana lewis has the latest on the investigation from paris. >> today a get away car was found in montreux, inside kalashnikov rifles. believed used during the raids. news agencies, may have helped with logistics and now french police admit they stopped sallah in a car near belgium and failed to detain him at that time. people came in the streets by the thousands to express their sorrow and understand if it were all true. diners gunned down ou

back to april 2013 where after two years of civil war the leader of al qaeda in syria, abu bakr al-baghdadilared the islamic state in syria, what we call i.s.i.s. or i.s.i.l. i.s.i.l. began capturing territory in syria and in june 2013 took mosul. at that time, i.s.i.l. controlled territory the size of jordan, a lot of space. the u.s. launched its first air strikes against i.s.i.l. after it pushed deeper into iraqi kurdistan, and those attacks continued after i.s.i.l. beheaded james foley and steve sotloff. the city of kobani fell to the kurds in february, 2013 after being controlled by i.s.i.l. for months. but by july of this year, the number of refugees fleeing syria topped 4 million, at least 6 million more had actually fled their homes inside syria but stayed in the country and some 250,000 had died in the fighting. now at the end of september things somehow got even more complicated because that's when russia began launching air strikes in syria, targeting not i.s.i.l. but instead supporting the syrian government by striking rebel forces mainly in the west. russia's air strikes are for

you suspect that abb abu bakr a baghdadi could have control?eal problem for us and bringing their organization down. >> should the u.s. be taking out all of isis' oil capabilities right now, not just bombing the trucks, if you will, but going after the refineries, the storage depots. as you know, donald trump is recommending this for a long time. >> well, i think this is an example of where it's very hard to have a specific military strategy without a broader political strategy, without a plan for what's going to take the place of isis after we defeat the military. it's the political vacuum that's kpils existed in the civil war and allowed isis to sweep into iraq. that's the fundamental problem. we can defeat isis military but unless we have a political plan for the aftermath, we'll find ourselves back in iran again five years after today's action just like it's five years after president obama pulled the last troops out. >> are you saying the president, the obama administration does not have a political strategy in place? >> i don't think we h

. >> baghdadi would be something. the military guys directing lot of isis military strategy. but jihadi john is more symbolic. >> listen to what secretary of state o kerry said this morning. >> we are still assessing results of this strike. but the terrorist associated with dash need to know this. your days are numbered and you will be defeated. >> so john kerry talking tough. you will be defeated. your days are numbers. is that right? >> look, at a tactical level there is no question the united states and its allies can defeat isis. united states is the most powerful military in the world. it is allied with very powerful militaries in the region. isis is 30,000 lightly armed men in comparison to the u.s. military. the problem is what happens then? you know, we used to have in iraq this strategy, win clear hold. we can win, we can clear. how do you hold? the problem in iraq and syria in other words is there is a large portion of the country where there is a lot of discontented sunni whose don't like the iraqi government, who don't like the syrian government. isis feeds on tha

he is closely connect ed ed to baghdadi, the leader of isis and the concern there quite obviously that isis is sanctioning the attacks, and possibly more from the highest level, wolf. >> yes, that is what we are told that the suspected ring leader is not thclose to akbar al bagh. what do we know they netted out of the raids? >> well, flack jackets, military clothing, rocket-propelled launchers, and they are taking dozens of people into custody for questioning, but no indication that these people have been charged or arrested. but it does seem to being something that the french president indicates is going the go forward and in fact, a new amendment under the french constitution to make this process more easier for the security services to do. he talked a tb possibility -- he talked about the possibility of something used in britain, control orders. when you have a terror suspect, you put a control order to that suspect which puts them to the house, and bans them from internet, and seems to be an indication that the french president is headed in that direction in the future to control a

reporting that iraqi television is saying that before the friday attacks, it was told that abu bakr al-baghdadie i.s.i.l. leader, called for an attack on coalition and iran and russia, and he told members to do that through bombings, assassinations and hostage taking. that would be a clear instance. to make sure it would be far more useful if it was more hope, and that's the plan going forward. >> do the attacks come on the heels of strong rhetoric from france, and will it prove effective? >> it's difficult to say. the rhetoric has ramped up. starting with president francis hollande, and president obama and david cameron, the british prime minister, they have been doing it, ramping up the rhetoric to send a signal that they want to stop i.s.i.l. they are talking about i.s.i.l. in the caliphate, in syria and iraq. the big question is can that be any good. as we have seen, i.s.i.l. has international ambitions. we are certain with the sinai, and the downing of the jet and paris, they confirmed they carried out attacks. it's one of the main themes in the proceed cast. it came up time and time again

the fact that al baghdadi says he's the best muslim and he's fighting for islam.e have to destroy that narrative, with our muslim colleagues in the region and say who made you the caliph? if we can destroy his brand, because it really is a brand. jihadism is now sexy, from the streets of paris to the streets of raqqa, then we weaken him. the physical part of the fight, that's easy. we have the best special forces, the best marines, you name it. we have to make the ideology unpopular and that can only be done in the counteridealogical domain. >> definitively, their goal is a caliphate in >> yes, and to spread it until it covers the earth. >> thank you very much for your time. >> thank you. >>> google and facebook on the democratic debate and terror. that's still ahead live from denver. up next, what the republican presidential candidates are saying about paris. >> one of the lessons we should learn from the tragedy in paris is that we have to be very careful and very cautious, extraordinarily cautious about who comes to visit. >> if we do not act, this terrorism, t

isis' propaganda goes through the roof when mosul falls and when al baghdadi declares himself kale live. there is a connection between messaging and the real world. the rise of the islamic state is what gives its propaganda power and credibility and oomph, that power and that strength. not the other way around. sometimes we confuse the medium for the message and entity we are putting up. >> here is an example of the cscc's message. you can get a sense of how they are trying to counter what isis is putting online. >> we spoke to an islamic state defector in turkey, face hidden, voice disguised. i joined them out of fear, he says, some who joined really believe killing and winning is the way to spread islam. when they discover that's all wrong, they can't leave. the defector said he watched an amir, or commander, give a knife to his 8-year-old son. he made him cut off a prisoner's head, he told me. he said the son of an amir should learn early. this is part of the state department's think again, turn away campaign. how effect stiff this messaging getting through? >> we are facing a coloss

daddy -- hink big baghdadi is the neglected leader. and something that has been neglected about this period, particularly it was because he wanted to declare the state. the islamic state of iraq was on the him. he was the one who proclaimed it. there was also another phase i would like to know little bit more about in order for us to have a better appreciation of i.s. which is a time when you described him of when zarqawi demoted himself. this is when it became a part of -- and this is a very important time because we saw many groups in iraq who actually joined is r.the umbrella, and kelly's group was one of many. we saw many serious divides. we saw some of the groups appealing to bin laden. what kind of disaster did you bring? why don't you dissociate yourself from these groups? from zarqawi? if there was one report -- i don't know about its authenticity -- it suggests it was al-bagdadi who was the leader. when i read his statement, he is -- he is -- he provides almost, if you like, that the reservation -- the arise -- theorization of

. >> police are searching for two friday's attacks including abu bakr al-baghdadi. diners in the cafe ducking for cover, the killer shooting his ak-47 and taking aim at one woman when his gun seems to jam. that woman surviving as he runs out. >> police are looking for him and others connected to the attacks and carried out more raids this morning in belgium taking at least nine people into custody. channel 7, eyewitness news. >> thank you. >>> attorney general lor ret etta lynch and fbi director james come just held a briefing on the efforts here in the u.s. >> we are not aware of any paris-type attack. we have seen no connection at all between the states. >> we are operating around the clock as we have since 9/11 and even before to uncover and disrupt any plot that takes aim infrastructure and our way of life. >> the attorney general said the justice department has expanded its legal office in paris and is now assisting families there. since 2013 they have charged more 70 individuals for home grown violent extremism. >>> with new york being a symbolic target for te

abu bakr al-baghdadi. though his role may be more of an operational commander. turned undercover terrorism operative, you know how these groups like i.s.i.l. work. with the intense level of raids being conducted throughout europe now what's the reaction? what's i.s.i.l.'s reaction in response? >> well, they will behave like other criminal extremist groups. they will try to avoid detection, go to other safe houses if they have them and i'd be surprised if they don't have them. or go dark on their communications. >> what doesn't united states understand? >> this is not a group you can negotiate with. you can even negotiate with al qaeda. but a group that wants to take over the world as ridiculous as it sounds or take over the middle east, there is no concessions you can give to them saying can you have your little sheria state over there. we thought we could contain them quote unquote, that was a misescalation. >> well as you know the bombing raids hav have intensified in sa and iraq. yet for every many cell that is destroyed, five more are created. >> their griev

we have al baghdadi in iraq in mosul that city he has held well over a year and falluja there, as well, so there are definitely heads of isis but whether they were involved in this, we just don't know. we have eight individuals, sort of a pack of lone wolves perhaps or there was some sort of command and control. someone from outside and the french clearly think that at this point or i don't think the president would have saiddthis. at it's somehow outside is somehow coordinating and telling those men to do what they did. >> what we do know, martha, isis has been gaining strength, strongholds in syria, strongholds in iraq. you were recently in afghanistan. isis gaping strength there, as well. >> huge ealation across the region and beyond in afghanistan, the commander there told me isis has become a real problem there. they've seen them pop up aroundd the country, whether they're just inspired, whether ty want to be part of that hideous team of isis and think they're winners, that's a question they're asking themself, as well. but iraq, as well. january of 2014 and the ambassador there t

i'm told he had connections to isis in raqqah and baghdadi.t took place as the paris a attack was under way. the american warplanes flew from lakenheath outside the port city of darna. in february, egyptian warplanes bombed islamist targets in and around darna after the islamic state released video of egyptian coptic christians killed on the shores of tripoli. the target of the libyan air strike may also have been the spokesman in the february 2015 coptic christian execution video. ", on november 13th, the u.s. military conduct conducted an aircraft in libya against abu that beale, also known as wissam a will zubaydi, an iraqi national who was a long time al qaeda leader. the u.s. had to pull its sole aircraft carrier out of the gulf for years for maintenance. they began carrying a air strikes in september. they were the first to target eyisis a year ago. >> jennifer, i want to ask you real quickly. according to your sources and the sources you have within the pentagon; this enough for them? do they want to do more? and can they do more obviou

a year ago baghdadi's narrative was this war, flags, constant expansion, planting his flag throughoutis expanding phony caliphate. we need to focus on making sure we shrink it. in iraq we've taken back about 40% of the territory isil controlled a year ago. and we're going to continue. we've cut off the roadway between mosul and raqqah, that's going to continue. we're putting in u.s. special forces into northern syria to help enable and advise local forces to take the fight to isil and isolate and trap them in raqqah. those efforts are going to intensify. but we need to work this at every single line of effort, military, diplomatic, economic. there's more for every coalition member to do. and that's why we're getting all the ambassadors here together on monday to talk to them about what they can do and what we're going to do together as we increase the pressure on isil. >> so how long is it going to take to liberate raqqah, the so-called capital of the islamic state? >> well, the first step is to isolate and entrap them. cutting off roadways, cutting off supply networks, cutting off th