i want to go back to baher azmy. he recently co-wrote an article. u respond to professor moyn? baher: i think professor moyn makes, to me, somewhat, although i have not fully read his book, is somewhat unoriginal observation that lawyers have populated defense department's. in the united states or in the ibf, and lawyers inside those regimes have fought to make war slightly less lethal, and within some sort of legal norms. ok, i suppose because that is a fairly standard claim, he goes further to make the provocative and ultimately fraudulent claim that michael ratner is somehow in that camp. michael opposed war with every fiber of his being. in every medium he had access to, the court room, the classroom, in the media, and he knew that legal challengers to protect humans from authoritarian abuses, violence and torture were necessary. that was his project in guantanamo. he also knew about the horrors of war and could manage both at the same time. september 23, 2001, he gave a talk in which she said this is not a lawful basis for the u.s. to engage in