. >> next, gwen kaplan followed by baird fong. >> thank you, commissioners. ace mailing was founded in 1978 by my mother and i, and we were in the first group in 1984 to be certified a woman owned business. i just want to say to commissioner ortiz, i agree with every sipping will thing you said. you did encapsulate everything i wanted to say. it's very hard to imagine as a past president for eight years of the small business commission here that this has not been brought before us until now, so i agree with everyone who is very upset and concerned about that, and i want to say that being an l.b.e. was very important to our business. we were a w.b.e., and a couple of years after we had won a small contract from the city, dianne feinstein about present -- did present us with the woman entrepreneur of the year award. so it makes sense for a small business to be able to do business for the sense, so i would like to thank you, commissioner ortiz, and thank you, commissioner dwight, for saying how could this happen to be at this point without having had the small b