like bakari said, many people don't know bernie sanders well. tomorrow will be an important night for him to get his message out. i do think i know very well where he stands on issues, especially around race and that matters to me in a way that i don't know about clinton given, you know, that there's no platform. and o'malley does have a strong platform. one of the most comprehensive. his challenge, though, is explaining his time as mayor which doesn't seem to be as progressive. his legacy is not as progressive as his platform would suggest to so many people. >> if i may, don, we can't say that hillary clinton doesn't have a platform. i mean, from the -- >> bakari, she doesn't around race. she doesn't. that's not a critique of her. i -- >> she literally -- >> she's giving speeches that are powerful. >> let bakari finish. go ahead, bakari. >> i agree with deray that it needs to go on paper. i don't doubt that. i do agree the strongest platform on criminal justice is martin o'malley and hopefully he has the time tomorrow and he's able to articulat

once the decision is made to arrest, and bakari, you said it is a misdemeanor yourself. and so once it is an arrest, the encounter ends in an arrest, and if we don't like that, then reevaluate the criminal justice system as it stands. you acknowledge it is a mis misde'for the, and if it is, he is going to arrest, and this question, and we may not know, bakari, did he go in with the intent to arrest or remove her from the classroom, and that is a relevant inquiry. >> and if i may, just, if i may just briefly that my biggest h issue is that in the settings do matter. the settings do matter, it was not a class or the street, but a school, and the mission is to protect the students. my only point to this is that the force, the force used in this incident, and the force used in this arrest, and even if he wanted to deem an arrest, lawful arrest, the force used was excessive, and -- >> what was excessive, bakari and identify what was excessive, because i am listening. >> we have to look at the video. he tried to put her in a chokehold and after he could not get her in the chok

and katrina, this is a challenge, as bakari said, for all candidates.which to handle moments like this and to address the concerns. >> well, i fundamentally disagree with some of the messaging, considering that many of these organizations, including black lives matter, are targeting police officers. so, no, not everyone agrees with the message that this group is sending. and i thought the headlines were going to be hillary clinton ejects protesters from event. because when republicans eject people, that's all over the news. this is a group that is very hostile and very divisive. and hillary clinton, just in her first debate performance, talked about, she wanted to bring everyone together. and aligning with groups like black lives matter is going to do just the opposite. >> all right. >> i have to just say something. >> go ahead. >> to say this group is targeting police officers, it's false on its face and asinine and just not true. >> so the video that's out there doesn't exist? >> i don't think there's any documentation calling for the death of police

also with me now is bakari sellers, a former member of the house of representatives.u wrote a conservative o op-ed for your college newspaper which is a very liberal campus. tell us what happened then. >> immediately or a day after the article was published, there was a negative backlash against the paper, students call for it to be recycled. and after a few days of getting yelled at and being called racist on campus, the college president put out a blog post and defended my right to state my opinion and since then the attitude has turned around thanks to the media and also to students on campus. >> so the student government voted that they were going to cut the funding but it wouldn't have taken effect until 2016. >> you're a little older. you got a scholarship that they offer at wesley for veterans. you knew the school was liberal and saw that as a good thing. you told "the washington post" why you choose that and said, i i knew i wouldn't experience any growth. if i'm around, people with extremely liberal ideas i'll constantly challenge -- i'll be constantly challe

representative bakari sellers and theodore johnson who also penned a fascinating article in "the atlanticrty retain its hold on black voters. thank you for being here. what does hillary clinton need to do to lock in that support from the african-american community, theodore, she's helped by biden not running but it's not locked in. >> that's right. i think step number one is what she did and that's basically to say the words black lives matter. it seems like a small thing but as you noted she's really one of the only people running for president on either side saying it is. it's a strong cue to the black audience that she does hear their complaints and it is also coming to terms that the '94 crime bill wasn't helpful to black americans and the criminal justice reform talk she's had recently is helpful there. >> signed by her husband. >> exactly right. ostensibly she supported it as well. what she needs to show is she hears the concerns of black america and she has policy solutions that will address the disparities. it's okay to emphasize with what black folks go through in america but it'

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. >> individuals are, but that's not -- >> go ahead, bakari and -- >> that's an absolutely absurd statement irresponsible. it's irresponsible for -- i'm sorry to cut you off. it's irresponsible for somebody running for president of the united states to make such an ignorant statement. that is not what black lives matter means at all. it's an im police yint two at the end 37 if he can recognize that black lives matter, maybe he can recognize all lives matter. >> and the president of the united states is not in any way inciting violence. that's ridiculous. >> go ahead, david. >> i think the rhetoric has run a little bit too far afield, shall i say. but i share the concerns about some elements in the black lives matter movement, if you're marching under a banner of black lives matter calling for the murder of police, pigs in a blanket frying like bacon, everybody knows what that means. i think that -- >> that is a horrible analogy. >> i've got to run, guys. but the leadership needs to step away from that. >> okay. i've got to run. thank you very much. we'll continue though conversation, of cou

. >> do you think -- bakari, do you think this is a bigger issue when you say officers should be trainedue with school resource officers and this isn't one person who happened to do wrong thing out of many? >> this -- yeah, i do. i think the setting is very important in this situation. we're talking about a school where the resource officer's job is to protect the student. i said it earlier, i'll say it again, he's not deal with sammy, the neighborhood drunk in front of the local pool hall disrupting traffic. he's actually dealing with student. who knows what that young lady, 15 or 16 years old could have been going through that day. if you live in a household with a young girl and she hasn't slammed a door or talked back once or twice, i don't really know where you're living. that's just the nature of young girls. i know one lesson i've learned from this situation is little brown girls are going to make sure they know we love them and are valuable in society. >> all teenagers. when i was a teenager, my goodness. i mean, -- my parents did not know what to do with me. mo, i'm going to ask