bakari, take us home here. >> i don't know. the presidential race and howard schultz is becoming a parody of real life. i'm glad that congresswoman love and myself and you get a chance to talk to the country and laugh about it. but i'll be damned if it's not exhausting. here we are again trying to just educate people and tell them what it means to be black in america. so i'm going to go home and get some rest and hug my twins. >> congratulations on your twins. can we see some pictures? can we put them on the air one day? >> not yet. >> no. i meant a picture of them on the air. i would ask your permission before doing that. >> sure, yeah. >> listen, thank you guys. you know, bakari, as you know, you've been on this show for a while. congresswoman, you're going to figure it out. so on this show we have the conversations that people talk about, right, but not on the air, not on tv, that gets people into a lot of trouble. but there's a space for it here, and you're going to get a lot of you know what for some of the times you come

, bakari, hold only for a second, bakari. >> sure. >> they have been indicted. some have been -- paul manafort, right, but rick gates hasn't gone to trial. they plead. roger stone hasn't had a trial. >> that means you're a felon. no, no, rick gates -- >> no, they plead. i understand. >> michael cohen is a felon. rick gates is a felon. >> absolutely. >> george papadopoulos is a felon. >> absolutely. >> how many felons do you want around him? six or seven? what's enough? >> bakari, until let's just go put a pin in it i and wind way back. when you look at this, and this is what you hear from the republican side and the white house, to understand this, none of this has to do with russian collusion. this has to do with -- and it's not correct. you shouldn't do this, obviously, but you can't lie to the fbi. you can't lie to congress. but none of it goes back to the president, and none of it goes back to russian collusion. >> we'll leave it there. david gergen, bakari sellers, thanks. >>> with the mueller report due out in perhaps a matter of days, we'll look at perhap

bakari sellers and steve cortez, steve, make the case for why the investigations must cease if we're a reach. this president has been incredible creating jobs, also good at creating -- situation has been good at creating jobs for lot of attorneys on both sides. mueller probe, sdny or his personal lawyers. i think there are a rot lot of reasons why the mueller probe is wrong and needs to wrap up quickly as possible, but tie to the economy is a stretch. >> bakari, how much oversight is too much? >> i don't think there is such a thing. house or united states congress has a constitutional responsibility for oversight. there was just cause for mueller to get involved and investigate. irony is no drama obama, served eight years, no indictments, arrests, imprisonments, someone who served two years and enough people to fill up county jail who worked for president or in his orbit and more to come i think. we would watch the clips from rallies and he would say drain the swamp. he drained it and filled it with his own alligators, culture of corruption in d.c. unlike anything we've seen in long

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where's the lie, bakari?ling a lie. >>> new jersey senator cory booker joining a crowded and diverse field of democrats vying for the white house. both booker and senator kamala harris are embracing race in a way that has never been seen before in a presidential campaign. let's bring in now nina turner, tiffany cross. good evening to all of you. so i cannot let this go by. i want to talk about -- we'll get to lof that, but i want to get your response what you think of this news about governor northam. first to you, tiffany. >> i was watching the last panel. i was telling you i was screaming in the make-up room. this is nothing new. i think there's this false narrative where people think these kind of systems of white supremacy only exist on the right. and i think for those of us who have been on the left side of things and have been working in progressive movements and have worked with and in the democratic party, this is something that permeates all across areas of politics and society. it's not exclusive to

i agree with you, bakari.man dignity matters and we ought to respect every human life of every race, especially these poor babies who are laying in delivery rooms when you have governors of states that think we should have a discussion about murdering them after they were born? >> okay, stop, stop. that's a lie. what you're saying is a ghoulish lie. that is a lie that the right wing has perpetuated. >> i heard what he said. i don't agree with what he said. we're talking about making sure in those instances it is a woman and a doctor not anyone at this table or anyone in congress making the decision. that is not the same thing as what we are talking about when we are talking about, this is what we started talking about, racism in this country. and we know that largely drove why people voted for donald trump in 2016 so in 2020, this is a time when we are going to have to have that conversation. you want to have that conversation? we'll do it. >> we're going to take a quick break. coming up, a searing attack by t

. >> alice, bakari just said it's quite possible that the courts may decide in the president's favor, jeffrey conoccurs. as a conservative, if there is this precedent and republicans long resisted executive overreach and now you have a precedent of emergency powers being able to fund priorities by a democratic president when that is brought to bear by a democratic president, will you and your fellow conservatives support the precedent or will you fight it as political overreach? >> well, john, based on our cnn poll, look at the numbers. >> let's do that. >> republicans more than 60% of republicans say they support the president's emergency declaration. more than 70 -- around 74% of conservative republicans support this idea of emergency declaration. so clearly he has the support of republicans and certainly what he has posted a lot of his emphasis on is the more conservative republicans. that is what will help him continue to fight what he's doing. >> sure. >> and let me just say to bakari's point. yes, ideally we were to build this wall and mexico would have paid for it. when that di

but, look, el chapo, i think bakari sellers was talking about a different drug kingpin, but el chapo is on trial. he was the tunnel man. hi to go into a couple of those damn tunnels. it's terrible because he's a small dude. one of them was under his bathtub in -- >> i'm talking about there are tunnels there that are air-conditioned. >> some of them they have for major trafficking, but he had all of these escape tunnels. he was a real tunnel psycho. the point is the drug cartels find lots of creative ways to get stuff across the border. >> yeah. >> a wall is not the answer. it's part of a broader solution, but we've just got to stop hiding from the b.s. this president made it everything because it's everything to him and his promise, not to the facts. >> he's got to do it, or he's in big trouble. >> i don't even know that he's in such big trouble. i think his base would forgive it because he tried. >> or he -- what i said to you in the beginning is this was already in place. all he had to do was show people what was already being done and pretend it's his. >> now he's describing the b

and, i was on with bakari sellers recently.said, look, if i'm going to keep calling donald trump a racist. i need to call this guy a racist. so they know that they can't back away from this on the left and still maintain their weaponized use of racism, even when it's inaccurate and untrue. >> tucker: this really should have been my first question since you were a major political figure for a long time in the state of virginia. you know ralph northam. you do not consider him a bigot personally. >> no. and i haven't frankly heard of anybody in virginia politics who said he is a bigot. they have called for -- many have called for him to resign because of these pictures that have come out. but none of them have said oh, no, no, no. i have seen ralph or suspected ralph. none of them have said that none of them have said that. >> tucker: really quick, do you think so he will stay. >> i do think he will stay. part of the reason i think he will stay now because justin fairfax, the lieutenant governor is under a cloud of sexual assault