do we have good data on that bakedown? >> you know we really don't but all the things you mentioned are reasons folks are on the street, whether it's inability to access a bed on a given night, whether it's the shelter system as it is now isn't good at accommodating an individual, whether the person doesn't want to have lights out at 10:00, or not be able to use indoors, that sort of thing. whether it's not understanding the shelter system, if they're new to the city. whether it's mental illness and substance abuse, addiction preventing them to think rationally. all that stuff is mixed in. as part of our homeless count this year we surveyed over 1,000 folks on the street and it was a robust survey so we hope to glean more about things like how long have people been on the street, where they came from, why are they not using shelter, have they used shelter in the past, to answer some of these questions. >> supervisor wiener: you know, i think it's -- and this is the frustration throughout the city because we have this -- yo