about thirty seconds can be hacked to flip an entire election and if you go back to the to the baker carter election reform commission that was formed after two thousand and four that was a compromised commission by the way yet even they came out and said that the greatest threat to these systems is from insiders from election insiders so these systems are at threat from outside and inside which is why i've been you know calling for some time for paper ballots that are hand counted that can be overseen by the citizenry so that we don't have to trust whether the electronic systems have gotten it right or not they may get the numbers right the problem is we the people have no way to know whether they did or not that i am grave threat to the mark and you know got a lot of people have said you know it's twenty twelve most of us use a.t.m. machines that spit out a receipt that could then be deposited into an actual ballot box so you have the electronic voting but you know if there are any questions about the result it could just be cross-checked against paper results why do you think this isn't

you have a lot of commissions, the carter-baker commission after the 2000 election that says that need to wake two election cycles to implement this idea to make sure everything happens. the last thing i would say is of a vote is not like getting on an airplane or buying sudafed. it is a right that many people have died for in this country, that people have blood for in this country. anytime we restrict their right to vote, particularly on the basis of race or class, we should be very, very, very careful about doing it and only do it if there is a pressing need to do so. my feeling is there is no reason to have this kind of government- issued i.d. people do not have access to it. when you look at why it is being done, it is being done for political purposes, not to insure the integrity of the election. tavis: there is no community where this issue is being discussed then inside the african american community. you have an african-american president whom many african americans believe that the right is coming up after four speeches reasons. you have a long history in this country for wha