we have completely reinvented bakeware.

make people think, oh, this is going to help the american worker, but tell that to the regalware bakewareompany in wisconsin that's had to lay people off and had to incur more costs because of these tariffs since july. tell that to the people who are working on pipelines that have to -- that will lose their jobs because they can't get american steel because american steelworkers don't work it. >> i hear what you're saying but there's a steel company today that -- or this week, rather, that said they were hiring and actually bringing jobs back because of this move. so it does -- >> what happens is in directly in the steel and aluminum industries, it may create a couple of jobs, but the downstream jobs that it destroys is way bigger. we went through this already when george bush did it. we've done this already. it doesn't work long-term. >> guys, i've got to leave it there. >> we're not creating a couple jobs. we're creating millions and millions of jobs. >> not because of tariffs. >> the chamber of commerce has said there will be millions of jobs lost with implementing these tariffs. thank