of management or disparage unions as i am saying there has to be something in the mix to the baking analogy, it happens every where, boeing went to a right-to-work state to add jobs, same in lexus condering it. they seek out the right-to-work states, for a reason. >> of course, they do. by the way, i did the same thing, if there is no need to be buburdens with a union, why do . neil: to give workers a fair break and air pay. >>, oh, no. neil: hear me. i am doingy fair and planned thing, they would or argue that management would rather stick workers to the wall, you say -- >> in is not late 1800s or early 1900s, when an. neil: there are still twinkies made from late 1800s on storeshelves today but i digress. >> i understand. unions provide no real purpose today. because employees have fair salaries, they have good medical, dental, benefits, they are treated very well. manager have learned tt employees are productive if they are treated well. this -- there is though need for a third party to step in between a gevance between a manager and a employee. >> there is a growing kassem they mention,