and i went, and i got vinegar, baking soda, olive oil. googled, like, how to make your own stuff, what to do, and that just really started a snowball, and i totally pulled jen in-- "i've never done sales and marketing, but that's your background. you have to come with me." >> so you oversee sales? >> yes. so i went. >> she went. >> and that was it. i was hooked. >> she was hooked. >> robin, so this isn't really just about the products on the shelf for you, is it? >> no. >> no. >> no. eco-me is part my identity. it is part of who i am, and we work these days to obviously make money to put in our pocket and feed our families, but to do something that means more, it's pretty awesome to be a part of that. >> you guys have a lot of your own money in the business? >> yeah. >> how much debt in total exists? if you were just rough-balling it? >> well, close to $500,000. >> wow. >> last year was the year i was supposed to get paid, and it didn't happen, and it's incredibly hard for me, feeling the responsibility, to pull any money from the company