last year, a million people responded to the bakker's constant request for money. >> how many do youjust about 30. >> 30 what? >> silver 7,000 clubs. >> that's $90,000. >> praise god. >> the bakkers have been criticized for their own lavish lifestyle. >> just because i'm a christian doesn't mean i don't like nice things. we work very hard for nice things. >> they say the only difference between men and boys is the price of their toys. >> a spring of fancily homes from palm springs, california to south carolina. >> they think by them living well and having rolls-royces, everything will think god is shining upon them and us. and ptl becomes the vehicle for their immediate empire, for their theme parks. >> if we are to be fishers of men, that's what the bible says, we've been using some pretty lousy bait. we've just built better bait to reach people. >> you can have a lifetime partnership with ptl for a one-time gift of $1,000. four days and three nights every year for the rest of your life. >> that mix of god and greed ends up derailing them and leading them to breaking the very rules

jim bakker, roger ailes, david axelrod. not worried at all about the fact that someone put aside steve bannon and sean hannity at the moment, are you concerned about roger ailes and his involvement just as a matter of p are campaign mechanics. james: i don't know about. campaign mechanics, i think he is very formidable. alex: what about in the debates? james: i think she's going to do fine in the debates. trump has never had a one-on-one debate. entirelyeople, that is different. she has debated president obama any number of times. she had one-on-one's with bernie sanders. she does fine in debates. i should not say this, but you should tamper expectations down but i expect, her to do great. john: she's going to clean his clock? there's a possibility of about james carville being the stand-in for donald trump during the debate. is there any truth to that? james: there's absolutely no truth and it would be stupid for me to do it and i will tell you why. in order to do this right, takes about 100 hours of prep. you have to sit

because paul manafort ultimately is an establishment guy who cut his eye teeth working for jim bakker and the gerald ford campaign a generation ago. donald trump does not care about any of that stuff. he seems deliberately out to destroy that very group. >> howard, rick, we will continue to watch. this is fascinating. thank you, guys, appreciate it. >>> coming up, we've got more on those new details from the investigation surrounding ryan lochte and his u.s. swimming teammates. what really happened at that gas station the night they claim they were robbed at gun point? >>> plus -- >> i stayed through hurricanes, i stayed through other things. this has got to be the worst. >> it is horrible what's happening there in louisiana. at least 13 people have been killed in what's now being called the worst natural disaster since superstorm sandy. and forecasters warn, more heavy rain and flash flooding is expected today. >>> plus, more than 1,500 emergency responders battling this massive wildfire, burning east of los angeles. it's already scorched about 40 square miles, forced nearly 82,000 p

jim bakker since he became sick of treasury worked out an agreement with the speaker agreement with the speaker of the house and others that we might end the contra war by bringing about a democratic election to we went down until the election in nicaragua. we have done the same thing in seven or eight countries. we've gotten to know the desire of these leaders and their people to emulate in the finest sense the characteristics that have made our nation the greatest on earth. they, however, have incipient in them a lot of anti-american sentiment of fears because we are the big brother who has quite often in the past interceded in the interim affairs. they see a new era now dawning for a second to kissinger pointed out, every country in this hemisphere has no move towards a democracy, except cuba and, of course, mexico is not yet there. what -- they've done this with confidence in this. i don't think there's anything i can be done in this nation, in this decade that will deal a more severe blow to the growing friendship and trust and confidence, a sense of partnership and sharing, that i

it was jim and tammy faye bakker. she is deceased. he is not.their last day when they had to abandon their television program. nancy: techies is the degenerate horse found in marshes. [video clip] are destroyed,y but i believe, tammy, that they got i serve is still god. i believe the sun will shine again. >> tammy faye's going to sing a song for you just before we leave our house. [applause] ♪ maybe you're hurting i will sing it for both of us, ok ♪ [singing] brian: she said in their that maybe you're hurting. there is still plenty of programs on television like this. nancy: tammy faye baker was seen as she actually came from a poor white rural family in minnesota. her parents were pentecostals. i draw the comparison between her. i've talked about the importance of how the similes him of her makeup is a sign of moving up the social status. we forget that women are marked by class. our idea of appropriate human behavior to be understated, to be do more and polite. that is all the associations of the upper class and middle class. women of the lowe