bakker?>> she idolized jim bakker. she bought her first black and white television just so that she could watch his show every day. >> whew! ♪ >> you watched the "ptl" on tv. what did you think of jim and tammy bakker? >> well, i thought they were the closest thing to heaven. you know, being brought up in a christian home and being brought up to love god, i loved what jim and tammy were doing. >> i noticed a real miracle has taken place. your hair started to grow again. >> oh, it's grown. >> this must be a sigh. >> honey, that way you don't have to look for a new girl for the new year. you've got one. >> bakker had a sidekick at the time named john wesley fletcher, who was another preacher who was trying to curry favor with him to get on his show. if you got on the bakker show, it was like the phil donahue show. you were famous. they were the kardashians of the, you know, of the gospel in a way. >> and fletcher would come through town at least once a year and preach a revival in hahn's church

but you totally transformed as jim bakker it's kind of amazing you totally immersed into the charactersammy developed and owned. they built a hotel, and theme park, and a water park and like they were builders for christ, arguably and -- but anyways, so, yeah, we would go to that site every sunday where there's this new evangelical church that was, kind of, in full operation there. and we ended up managing to -- we saw someone who used to be part of jim's team i won't mention who it is, but we saw -- we recognized him from documentary one sunday, and we kind of cornered him, and asked him if he would share with us. he was very, very kind of, um, you know - >> jimmy: protective >> --suspicious, protective and, you know, 'cause he really cares about jim, and cared about tammy, and still does, so but i think when he felt all we wanted to do was to honor them, and to humanize them - and with jim, for me, it was one of the hardest characters i've ever had to step into because he's so far away from me, internally, externally, accent-wise, the whole thing it was the biggest stretch i've ever h

this time on "the jim bakker show" to sell his conspiracy theories and pillows for kids. >> well, theytoled our country. >> yeah, we got to take it back. >> we're taking it back. >> and they stoled it at lower levels, micro levels, and macro levels. >> yeah, yeah. >> they stole it -- at times going away. you know what i believe? i believe if everybody would order a set of pillows, we could do a million dollars. >> yeah, man, man. >> just pillows. >> it would be a miracle. >> that would be a great start towards victory. >> yeah. >> jimmy: right. [ laughter ] they do say that's step one, buy a weird deedny-ish kids pillow with jesus on it. [ laughter ] this weekend, mike had a rally in kentucky. the promoters of the event were expecting 10,000 people, less than 300 actually showed up. mr. mypillow might not have much credibility left even with the maga crowd. which is sad, really. so i thought we'd check in with mike to make sure he's okay. and i believe -- oh, there he is. i think there he is. our pillow pal mike lindell. mike? mike! >> what in the holy -- >> jimmy: can you hear me, mik