my guest today is his political director, balazs orban. is orbanism a model that others in europe will follow? balazs orban, welcome to hardtalk. thank you very much for the invitation. it's nice to be here. it's great to have you on the programme. for the past 1a years, your boss, prime minister viktor orban, has been waging a political war against what he calls the liberal elite in brussels. do you think he's winning that war? no, it's a... it's a long war. we still have time, but we have to take the war because... ..because it's about our freedom, and, you know, ithink in european culture, we respect freedom. the hungarian people are very much freedom—loving people. they want to decide how to live their own life, what to do — what is their purpose, what are the rules they want to follow? and from a historical point of view, also, we hungarians don't like to be dictated from outside. it doesn't matter from which direction it comes. unfortunately, the current progressive liberal elite likes to dictate to the others how to live their life

my guest today is his political director, balazs orban. for the invitation. it's nice to be here.

i was personally shocked by what i heard from the mouth of balaž orbán, who, by the way, is not a relativef viktor orbán, this is his political director, he actually said such a thing that if russia attacked hungary, hungary would not resist, and she would simply, well i would just give up and that's all, and even orban, who is enough, well, we understand, yes, a sleazy and pro-russian politician, even he already fit in and said, well, you... i'm sorry, what it sounded like, he didn't mean it mind you, there started some, you know, excuses and so on, how did the europeans perceive it in general? well, actually, hungary is no longer expected to be civilized, here in europe, hungary is such an anfantiribl, a state that is completely against all european values, that declares every day that they will expand relations and cooperation with russia, which is actually the only state of the european union that supports the so-called peace plan of china and brazil, in contrast to others who still follow the peace plan of ukraine, for the fact that ukraine must win, and not to give up and capitulate,