i had that with steve ballmer, as microsoft got going. both in my family and in the foundation, it's melinda. >> rose: how much time do you spend at microsoft? >> i'm there about 15% of the time. and i get to work just on the r & d part, brainstorming with people, thinking, okay, how are we going to take this artificial intelligence and make it understand, help you use your time better. it's a very exciting time in software, and, you know, there's five companies that are, you know, in really strong position. microsoft it leading in some real cool stuff. >> rose: like ma? ( laughter ). >> the way that a business takes information about customers, about communication with customers, looking at data, that mission of really using data in a.i., and getting the productivity of all those workers up because they see more information, microsoft is the leader in that. and it's a well niche. you know, it's a multihundred-billion-dollar niche that they're strong in. they will be innovating along that line more in the next few years than ever in our h