we are part of eu so the security for the baltic states is absolutely different.is not a problem for the baltics. it is much more global. the world europe is seeing what mr. putin is doing. the international community is following that and of course we're not happy about that. >> of course geographically they're pretty close to the region. very close to russia geographically and also historically our people had experienced something similar back in the second world war time and cold war time, occupation of latvian and baltic states. definitely people remember that. to say tragedy today in ukraine, it worries people. we think that part of western world and part of nato -- >> part of nato which is a mutual defense -- >> exactly. but it doesn't mean that we can become complacent. >> i wouldn't be so romantic. well with all the nice talks and statements from our side an warnings, political, economic sanctions, army side runs it. just yesterday we have 70 trucks crossed the crimean border. they have a military build-up there. they are preparing for military in eastern

well, the baltic states and poland have probably much greater cause for anxiety over mr. putin's aggressive moves because they were, the baltic states were part of the soviet union and poland was occupied by the soviets. so their views are a little different than germany, for example. >> to that point, is it not a problem that every time when you hear putin speak you always hear the former kgb colonel, the former member of the old soviet regime and it is hard to differentiate him from the past russian history? >> putin famously said one of the greatest regrets was the disillusion of the soviet union. he takes a very patriotic view of russia. i don't know if you can attribute putin's dislike of the west and his nationalistic tendencies for the fact he worked in the kbg. they particularly intelligence officers had a sophisticated view towards the west and so i think it is more just putin's nature. >> i understand there is a development coming in from london concerning the military cooperation with russia? >> essentially they are saying all along they are going to suspend. w

he traveled first to poland and then onward to those countries in the baltic states to allay the theear it's of the warsaw pact nations. he also said that there will be a response and consequences for russia's actions. this is what he had to say in the capitol of lithuania. >> i want to make it clear we stand resolutely with our baltic allies and support ukrainian people and against russian aggression. as long as russia continues on this dark path they will face increasing political and economic isolation. >> reporter: now, the ukrainians also said repeatedly that nobody knows better what it's like to live under the thumb of moscow than those baltic states or the states part of warsaw. there is a feeling of solidarity. they're hoping for support from n.a.t.o. and also the united states. those statements coming from vice president biden will very much appreciated here tonight. >> and i'm curious about one thing. are there still people camped out at independent square waiting for a new government, or are they concerned about what was the old government in crimea? >> reporter: there are

is going to send more aircraft to the baltic state, north of the ukraine, also nato allies. more aircraft there. he is going to convenient nato ministers to talk about the next step. you have the carrot and the stick. if this doesn't change, the situation on the ground doesn't change, costs are going to be imposed. at the same time, we are going to demonstrate our commitment to those nato allies. you see them there, the ones in green along ukraine's western poured der. . >> jim sciutto live and michael holmes, we do have some breaking news right now from capitol hill. as jim was saying, what is being most used right now, words and statements. diplomacy in this crisis. there are about to be some words and statements coming from the u.s. congress. >> our deirdra walsh just spoke with ed royce, chairman of the foreign committee in the house. he said tomorrow that committee will hold a vote on a non-binding resolution with some sanctions for russia. the key thing to underscore is, it is a resolution, nonbinding. so it wouldn't actually put these sanctions into place but it would

nobody nodes better what it's like to live under the thumb of moscow than those baltic states.here is no love lost there. what they are calling on the eu to do is step up to the plate. finally, get their sanction program worked out. and there is a growing sense within europe that there has to be some sort of reaction. the problem is what. >> that's still the lingering problem. it's not a matter of should there be sanctions. it's what kind of sanctions. there are eu members who want to see sanctions on individuals, those oligarchs who are worth a lot of money and e.u. member states who want to see sanctions against entire industries but they can't seem to come to a common sense of which kind of program they want to install. so, there is pressure. there will be some sort of reaction from the europeans, but we have to see what it is they actually work out in the end. >> we are hearing from russiasponding to the across the street in crimea. what is the latest on that front? >> reporter: that vote in crimea was mostly symbolic, the crimean parliament saying they want to return to th

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anti- mussil cruisers in the baltic sea on a paerm nept basis. putin establishes facts on the ground. the vote begging to be allowed to join russia is a done deal. that is a done deal. crimea now belongs to russia. as i said on fox before. the only remaining question how much more ukraine putin will take and when he will take it. but the weakness and the lack of unitty between the eu and the u.s., and the greed, the financial cowardice is absolutely stunning and putin is not going to stop and he will do worse. this administration lives in a dream world that negotiations solve everything. the administration, they indulge in the fantasy and think they can talk put ep out of crimea. that is insane. putin is not crazy or delusional. the president and this administration are delusional. >> it sounds like it would take a military build up of the kind you explained to get his attention and that's not what the u.s. is prepared to do. >> look at the star treaty. there is no cost. it will not increase our budget. but obama wants that as part of the legacyi

freights in the baltic freight index both dry and any other of the indices the incumbent in the baltic trade in the seas have all been turning from the lower left to the upper right they've all been moving higher lately i think that's impressive and if you look at shipping stocks on the new york stock exchange or the shipping e.t.f. they too have been going up so where mr buffett may watch railroads i'm going to watch the baltic freight something i watch for the last twenty years then if i love that you bring that up it leads really well to my next question i was going to switch to the global economies already did it for me said thanks you should host that but i want to hone in on a shipping as a measure of economic growth now just this past friday we had out a miniature on the show and he follows the price of scrap metal as a mark as scrap metal market the price of the scrap metal market is a proxy for global economic signals and apparently alan greenspan was keen on this statistic as well but a lot of analysts they focus more broadly on shipping as a whole like you said using the bal

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and said there will be military action if russia expands what he called naked aggression into other baltic states. >> president obama wanted me to come personally to make it clear what you already know, that under article 5 of the nato treaty, we will respond. we will respond to any aggression against a nato ally. >> the stakes for america's national security are enormous, as the chaos in ukraine is now causing key allies like israel to raise sharp questions about the president's foreign policy from iran to syria, with israel's defense minister charging monday the president's image in the world is feebleness and risking new terror threats. he declared, quote, look what's happening in ukraine, where the united states is demonstrating weakness, unfortunately. white house officials rebuked him and said his comments do not represent the strong bond the president has with israeli prime minister benjamin yetten yahoo. >> those comments clearly were not constructive. the united states maintains an unshakable commitment to israel's security. >> he also suggested u.s. policy on iran is pushing isra

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forces in the alliance such that we can be there to defend against it if required especially in the baltics and other places. >> that question is front and center at the meeting of the netherlands. what are president putin's intentions, and how far is russia willing to go. in crimea with russian troops in control and ukrainians pulling out it all appears to be hanging on a hair trigger. does the way russia is taking possession of the peninsula raise question in eastern europe. during the visit to the dutch capitol for the meeting of the economies. the u.s. and it's allies need to be ready for serious collective action. the president said if russia continues to escalate the situation we need to be prepared to impose a greater cost. n.a.t.o. leaders have said publicly they're worried about the intensifying military conflict in the former soviet union. that's this edition of "inside story." and joining us now from sevastopol in crimea is jennifer glasse. welcome back to the program. are things now quiet now that russia has had done these couple of seizures of ukrainian military facilities? >>

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if it stumbles, lots of places could stumble. >> oh, sure, kazakhstan, the ba baltics, there's a lotactivity that goes between them. so we're really concerned on what is going to happen in the next few days. >> so when you see what happened in u.s. markets today where the dow was off about a percent in the end. it was a rougher day earlier, one almost thinks these days that markets react to everything. is there a real fear of contain again that ends up reaching into viewers. >> what you have is 18 straight weeks of outflows from emerging markets. and the fed has tapered twice, and unless we have a really out of sync unemployment number on this friday, the fed is going to taper again. so yeah, there is that -- that potential, and it can happen. i don't see it happening in the near term. i think markets will start to reverse. in fact when i walked in here, i see the s&p futures were actually up. >> so you don't want to see that it's 2% every day. >> no. >> what changes that? in this equation that you are looking at with russia, and the sanctions that the u.s. wants to impose, the idea

s baltic air. they signs the the orders on sanctions on russians, but the europeans are not pressing the president to go ahead with those sanctions because russia can cut natural gas supplies. to counter that possibility some european leaders have called on house speaker john boehner for help. he revealed a letter from four nations asking for more american natural gas. speaker boehner said, i hope president obama will heed this call from our allies and immediately improve pending natural gas export requests and do everything possible to reduce dependency on russia. speaker boehner criticized president obama's administration approval process for exporting energy supplies. morgan? >> randall pinkston reporting from washington, d.c. thank you for joining us this afternoon. many ethnic russians in crimea are worried about russian troops. >> reporter: according to ukrainian intelligence the steady stream means that russia has more than doubled its forces. soldiers who admitted to me that they're russian

in the czech republic and poland and probably have some nato exercises with particularly the bal balticsta. obviously expand the magniski bill to target individuals that have to do with this, and the initial signals out of europe, the british and germans aren't encouraging sanctions. >> charlie: i do know that. do you think sanctions that were effective in iran would have the same kind of effect on vladimir putin? >> i think, first, i would try the magniski which targets individuals and their bank accounts and their ability to travel and all that. i would try that first. then, obviously, i would look at other areas. you know, throw them out of the g-8, of course. it should be the g-7. a number of other cosmetic kind of don't send our officials to the paralympics. but we have to understand what this guy is all about. he's an ogd kgb. in 2008, the debate i had with barack obama, i said at that time, watch russia and ukraine and, unfortunately, these many years later, i was correct. >> charlie: okay, fair enough. but the question then becomes how you do and do you have enough leverage to m

also, we've got to keep an eye on the baltic states. >> we'll do that. thank you very much. jd, juan, great to have both of you here. >>> a 16-year-old boy now says he's sorry for sneaking past security to climb up to the top of the new world trade center. he may be sorry, but did he actually give america a wake-up call? we'll talk about that when we're back, and we're live this sunday night. stay with us. >> they entertained and educated children there's supposed to be very heavy security guarding the new freedom tower where the two world trade center towers once stood. a 16-year-old kid from new jersey proved otherwise. according to court documents the kid got on to the ground through a square foot hole and he climbed scaffolding that took him to the 88th floor and climbed scares where he snuck past a sleeping guard to get to the ladder at the top of the tower. not surprisingly he has been charged with misdemeanor trespassing. joining me is bill daily former fbi investigator. when i think about the kid that's a cute prank would you he pulled it off. my gosh it is harder fo

concerned, the baltic countries would going to the ocean. [laughter] >> i like that. >> we are talking about -- i care about baltic countries. i have been there a long time ago. they have this psychic -- psychological thing and they need to overcome that. they depend heavily on russia for economic corporation. >> why are all of the troops on the border? y 20,000? crimea.0 are in let me explain. according to the agreement, our black sea fleet, we could have as many as 25,000 troops. even now, we got 20,000 troops. there were reinforcements after the trouble started from the level in february. clearly, we are below the level. sure.l thousand i am some people are concerned about the situation in western parts of russia on the ukraine. the military asked us to do inspections. an inspection. would've allowed them the inspections so they can see for themselves there is no military threat gathering on in eastern borders. >> henry kissinger again. he does have relationship with putin and he understands his experiences a great in these kind of matter

we search the baltic state. >> some of them, such as the baltic states have russian minorities themselvesld see russian bodies handing out passport and they'll say they may need to act to protect russian citizens. that is something that worries them. some steps to show resolve and support for the allies would be a good idea. there's another purpose to this. and i think it gets back to what bill was discussing earlier about donetsk and eastern ukraine. vladimir putin made up his mind. he'll annex crimea. the next step is to see how far else he can go. can he do anything, issuing strait another referendum. for him. it's their question of does he get away with it. is there pushback from the ukrainians. does he negotiate down from there. pocketting crimea but negotiating the rest. he feels from there he has to negotiate and back down. it's important he has some control. >> should the u.s. and n.a.t.o. move forces to the area to send a signal. >> yes, and they have. planned to monitor the activity over ukraine and russia. that's a good move. there has been air assets moved into poland and the

we have the baltic states, we don't want more, do we?easons why putin has been able to rear this nationalistic outcry in russia because he's been extraordinarily fearful of the fact that we were approaching georgia as a potential nato country, the same thing with ukraine, that's what he's trying to prevent. >> okay. let me go to simon marks, it's your sense of where he's going and how careful he will be. what he's done so far, he's been easy pickings. he's been an opportunist, rather than the aggressive bear starting on his own tracks. what's your sense of what he wants to do? >> i think you're exactly right, chris, and going back to your first question, this is going to be more surgical in the weeks, months and years ahead. remember that vladimir putin is operating from a very different pr play book from everyone else. he's not going to run out of an electoral road, he's going to continue having power and influence. i think he's going to seize targets of opportunity, i suspect he will grab and hold the ukrainian prince, be hit with sanc

we have to increase military support for the baltic states, increase military support for hungary and make it clear these sanctions are going to be enforced. we have to make sure the allies are working together. tough ironclad sanctions on russia. there's no silver bullet. we have to sustain it and keep it going. i think first thing to hit home would be to freeze the assets of russian oligarchs and top russians in this country and throughout the western world. >> is energy our best policy against them? do we say we're going to lift restrictions on exporting natural gas, we want to be a partner where you get your natural gas instead of russia. is that how to apply pressure on russia? >> that has to be an integral part of it. we have to increase exports of liquefied natural gas. these countries like england and other, germany cannot enforce or rely on russia for the lng they get. the natural gas has to be -- we have enough to supply so many countries in the world, and we should right now start lifting restrictions, begin the exporting as quickly as we possibly can. again, that's not goi

that we caused this because we expanded nato not from the border of germany to poland, to the baltic states, and therefore we gave this russia this sense that it's surroundeded. is that at all true? >> i think blaming ourselves says something about us, that we want to excuse putin's misbehavior as we have over the years. bottom line is putin is doing what he's doing for all those reasons but also because of his own insecurity. he's terrified about what happened in ukraine, the fact that a country very similar to his might become a democracy. his economy is slowing down dramatically. he's a distraction from trouble in russia itself. that's also why he's moving against ukraine and trying so gin up this nationalism. but more broadly, nato did not expand to ukraine. remember that five years ago, we denied georgia and ukraine a very simple first step into nato. since then, they were both invaded. our weakness has been an invitation to his aggression. >> you've been tough on the president's failed leadership and yet some liberals would say, hey, look, this is nothing about obama, this is p

defense department officials will send military jets to countries in the baltic region around ukraine. they want to help american allies boost their defense capabilities. defense secretary chuck hagel discussed the plan with members of the senate armed services committee. >> the defense department is pursuing measures to support our allies including stepping up joint training through our aviation detachment in poland. >> four f 15 military jets are already in the region as part of the missions over the baltic states of lithuania, estonia and latvia. six more jets will be sent to a base in lithuania. u.s. leaders have suspended military talks with russia. >>> more than 3,000 delegates from across china are discussing ways to move the country forward. at the opening of the national people's congress premier lee queue chan announced plans to tackle pollution and narrow the gap between rich and poor. they are all part of president xi jinping and his administration's goal to maintain long-term stability. we've been bringing you extensive coverage this week in our series, china, road to ref

reaffirm the american nato protection of the baltic states. think that president has to speak to the american people about the largest to take jake objective we haven't -- strategic objective. h. w. bush says they want a europe that is whole, free, and peace. now with this invasion of the russian special forces into crimea and the press they're making to go further, europe is being divided in a way again. the resident needs to lead should -- president needs to lead. >> where their signals that we could have somehow in some way played a different role before the crisis got to where it is now? >> i think this is provoked when the deal that had been worked out between that europeans, russians, and americans about the transition that would've left yanukovych in power through the end of the year, the strip tim a lot of his powers. when that was rejected by the demonstrators in the square and it fell apart, they basically make clear that yanukovych had to leave and then he fled the country. i think that is what really sat in frame for these events.

step to augment their contribution to a baltic air collision, which is highly appreciated.the good news is that this initiative will now be followed by other nato allies. a couple of days ago, the uk announced that they will contribute to augmenting or enhancing air policing over the baltic states and other announcements will follow, so you're right, it should be and it is and it will be a nato mission. the same goes for the deployment of awax planes over romania and poland. these are part of a nato operation. but having said that, it's normal practice that individual allies can take immediate steps and then it's followed by a more broad nato mission. and i envisage further steps to reassure allies to strengthen deterrents and a collective defense in light of what we have seen. and then on ukraine, which is the second part of your question. we have intensive meetings in the ukraine commission. i have met the ukrainian prime minister. the ukrainian foreign minister. they have forwarded a number of requests. we are now looking into those requests, and i would expect foreign m

the pentagon sends more fighter jets to the ba ball baltic.. >>> hugo chavez, a year later in venezuela. >>> and big changes coming to the college entrance exam. >> tonight, ukraine's crimea is in the kremlin's hands. the situation is growing more lawless. four days after the ukrainian crisis. in simferopol, a u.n. envoy held against his will. secretary of state john kerry met his counterparts, with more talks expected this week. the eu is offering $15 billion for ukraine and the united states offering more help for its nato allies in europe. made very clear that during a tense standoff at a cafe. nick schifrin is live tonight in crimea. nick. >> yes, john, law enforcement and law and order in this town is clearly not being led by men in police uniforms anymore. it's in the hand of pro-russian militias and activists and increasingly they are acting with impunity. what we saw is a standoff between the u.n.'s top implement and a hoard, a large group of prorussian caichts. once he got out he was stopped by armed men that told him he needed to leave crimea. he politely declined, walked into

>> well, do you think they might want to recapture the baltic states? >> i would like to think that article five would make me think that was a bad idea. you know, one of the things with article five his aides great. and i heard from friends in brussels that they have been doing some paper exercises on how reenforce the baltic states if it came on the -- they can. you know nato has. we have a very small squadron. they seem to miss everything that goes on. it's not as of defense of the baltic state, it's a bit like west berlin. there symbolically vital, pretty much indefensible. we use them as a trip wire. if you attack and that things will happen elsewhere. but that's not a huge comfort. you know, i have no idea, your perspective, talk afterward and i'm delighted. >> george washington university, i am intrigued by the mention of trying to list on the nyse. could you comment on the pluses and minuses from the russian point of view as far as the degree to which that could limit them or make them behave. from the western point of view about basically, you

moscow's behavior however has worried the baltic states which all have sizeable ration minorities left over from the days of the soviet union however while visiting lithuanian us vice president joe biden who moved to reassure americans baltic allies. already clear. we stand resolutely with our balding guy lives in support of creepy people and against russian aggression. as long as russia continues on his dark past. they will face increasing political and economic isolation. there are those who say that this action shows the old rules still apply. russia cannot escape. the fact that the world is changing the rejected outright. their behavior. russian troops occupying poignant must now move to annex the territory following the peninsula's referendum. many western nations have refused to recognize the vote with the international community the only condemning russia's aggression against ukraine japanese prime minister shinzo on the has announced he is planning to visit the anne frank house in amsterdam after a man was arrested for vandalizing hundreds of copies of frank's diary in tokyo li

if he crosses into the baltics with military units, that is more than troubling. that means the country of georgia is likely more further invaded than it already is. it means he's taken land in the ukraine, the southern and eastern portions of ukraine before i think he would do the baltics. if it gets to the baltics, we have allowed people who want to be free and independent who want to have self-determination and we've turned our back and walked away from them. you know, the world did that once. it was a major catastrophic. >> i want to touch on a couple other areas quickly. on the issue of the nsa surveillance and edward snowden, when you were last on this program, you were very pointed suggesting that he may have had help from the russians that edward snowden may have been a russian spy. maybe a russian spy. he's called that absurd. no new details have come to light on this. were you irresponsible in making such a charge without having specific evidence to back it up to just sort of float that out there? >> well, first of all, i see all the intelligence and all

it depends on the meaning of regional because the pols, hundred gar januarys and all three baltic states they are under threat by what putin is doing. the idea would be to pull them towards russia rather than allow them to slide over to europe. i think over time using the gas weapon plus the threat of the military, he would be able to do that. and i honestly have to say, paul, looking at what happened in brussels last week, it looks as though the wind is going out of the sails here. the head of nato said what are we going to do? we're going to help, quote, modernize the ukrainian military. we're going to, quote, review our relationship with the russians. and the united kingdom's defense minister said as a reality, the europeans do not have the defense structure in place to take any kind of significant action. >> this is also a reminder of just how misconceived the pivot is and the idea that our main security crisis was likely to come in asia. we had no idea that we would be facing such a security crisis right in the heart of europe. you know, as dan was saying nato under obama has become

you have latvia, you have these other baltic states.an troops are on the borders of these states. you have a bunch of nervous nellies in the whole region over there. >> how should nato respond? as jason said, he's on the border with the latvia, lithuania, estonia. there's some idea he may cross across ukraine to go into tra e trancenisia, which is like crimea. >> if he makes any move, what should nato do, what can nato do? >> charles outlined the same kind of things you can do -- could have done to maybe hold them out of crimea or the things you do to keep them from approaching nato countries. i'm beginning to wonder, though, president bush misjudged putin over georgia. president obama misjudged him here. i'm wondering if we have misjudged how far he would go. is it possible he would take on nato, and if he does, what is our response? does he have doubts whether we would invoke article 5? >> you would start it in the stealthy way of ukraine, in estonia which is 40% russian. you have demonstrations, agents in the area that demonstrate th

in the baltic states there are a lot of russian speakers. what if he decides in latvia, the famous and popular resort by the russians, what if he decides to take that over because it's also on the baltic sea. co-have another port. they should be concerned. i still don't think that putin is going to go in that direction, but everybody should be sounding the alarm. >> what is the next step in your mind for the e.u. and the united states. >> i think sanctions are very important. i think trying to reduce the oil and gas dependence on russia is very important. trying to figure out ways to get outside of russia, all the pipelines that go into europe. this is really because that's what his empire is based on. it's a an industrial complex very much like the soviet state was in the 1970's. because it wa of that it collapn 1991, there was no diversity in the economy and putin's economy is not diversified today. >> will vladimir putin listen to germany's chancellor, angela merkel. germany is really depend dependent on russia's oil and gas. it may be a

a lot of the nato members were part of the old soviet empire, warsaw pact, baltic states. they are very worried when they see putin absolutely ride rough shot over solemn commitments that he made. that the government of russia made like the budapest memorandum when russia, u.s., britain, guaranteed the borders of ukraine in return for them giving up nuclear weapons. putin is going right through it. people begin to wonder if his word good for anything. >> rose: that's the question. do you believe that president putin believes that president obama is weak and will pass through his red line there for he should be tested? >> no. i don't know whether he believes he should be tested i think there's no question. he has seen so-called reset policy that's led to giving up on the ballistic missile defense, for example. we have created an image around the world not just for the russians of weakness, of indecisiveness. we got already to do something, a lot of the allies sign on, obama backs off. >> rose: don't you think that the president is trying to take all the diplomatic steps tha

baltic and nordic nations now joining the e.u., denouncing russia's actions in ukraine.nt is that? quite significant. that's a powerful block within europe. strong language, they used to be soviet republics, nobody knows better how it is to deal with moscow than republicans like latvia, lithuania and estonia. there has been an awful lot of strong language from former warsaw pact and other nations that fell under moscow during the cold war when the soviet union was the dominant force. we are seeing the strong language. whether or not the rest of europe takes that onboard and pushes harder for the sanctions program being discussed in brussels, we'll have to wait and see if that there does seem a be a consensus in europe that there has to be a strong reaction. we'll have to wait and see what that is. >> we are now hearing from russia, russia respond to go that vote in crimea. what is the latest on that situation? >> well, it looks pretty clear that the russians are behind that referendum that's planned for about nine days from now. there was a delegation sent from the crime

that's why the next thing we need to worry about is pressure on the baltic states. i believe that the this is the second time now but particularly now where the excuse of russian-speaking peoples rights are protected in romania and poland and baltic states, they have russian speaking populations and of course this harkins back to the day of adolph hitler and joseph stalin. >> i want to ask about the 1994 agreement. the u.s. and u.k. were signature no t that tris to it but we have no military obligation here to defend ukraine. do you think there is a military option even if we had an obligation? >> i'd love to tell you that there is, andrea, but frankly i do not see it. i'm glad to see our u.s. military naval presence in the black sea. again, i wish that there were but i think that these sanctions can really have a serious effect on the clep to krats who are part and parcel of the power structure of vladimir putin. and those other measures that i told you about. i probably have military exercises with the baltic countries who are parts of nato and accelerate as i men