bamford. >> appreciate it. thank you. >> as one who also connected the dots out here i have found that this utah center seems to be the crowning jewel of what was originally inspired unter 10 usc 1053 t strom thurman act of 1961, and i find it likely that there is that interfaces with it the smart meters through the smart grid system that enables the two-way transmitters on your home to create that virtual wire prism, the wires in your home you can't see and possibly the introduction of mind altering psycho electronic waves in your home via the tower on the ac frequency. >> that was chris in las vegas. we'll hear from korine. >> caller: mr. bamford, my question to you is that you mentioned that congress needs to launch an investigation into the illegal tactics of what the nsa are doing but how is that possible when congress are pretty much allowing and you know, passing legislation to allow the nsa to do what they are able to do? >> all of those questions are very good. and the question that the gentleman just

we're not authorized to do it, nor do we do it. >> james bamford what do you make of his reaction? >> again, the term was, interception. and nsa has its top secret definition of what interception means. and if you remember, just a few years ago, president bush was asked whether the nsa intercepts communications and he said, no. at the very same time they were conducting the warrantless eavesdropping operation. they asked officials back in the '70s about it and they denied doing it, when they've been doing it for 30 years. the problem is nsa doesn't have much accountability. there is very few times the nsa director has actually asked to testify. this was just an off the hand, off the -- sort of off hand comment that was made by one congressman, who happened to ask one question. and i think there really has to be a -- a really good congressional investigation on what nsa's capabilities are. what it can do and what it does do. >> so why is the utah data center necessary? why are they building it there in utah? >> well, they're building it there, i think senator orrin hatch had a lot t

host: james bamford is the author of the piece is "wired" magazine. robin is a republican in michigan. caller: good morning. i have a couple of comments to make. i remember thinking, 20 years ago hearing about the computer system that had in belgium. this one will put the belgian one to shame. the people that became ibm had a tracking system and they were able to round up all the jews. this is an outrage. we had journal patras' saying they will be putting tracking devices in our appliances -- we had general petraeus saying they will be putting tracking devices in our appliances. it is incredible what our country has become. host: a she accurate? -- is she accurate? guest: there are very few congressional hearings on where we're going in terms of surveillance. i think is a cross party issue. republicans, libertarians, and liberals are concerned about this issue. 20 years ago, 30 years ago, you could not do that. people completed with -- people communicate with a telephone or the mail, and the mail was sacrosanct. you could not open the mail. today, eve

how do you explain operational -- wasn't declassified until spring 2001 by james bamford.that is the first question. second question how do you explain alex jonassen july 2001 launching operation government here in predicting that the government was going to stage attacks in new york city and washington and blame it on osama bin laden? [applause] and the third question, one more question. how many articles have you done about -- and its agenda? thank you. >> yes, i have been positioned my coverage but i do talk about it in the book. in terms of alex jones, it is actually quite true and i mentioned this in my book. it's quite true that on alex jones' syndicated radio show before the 9/11 attacks alex jones did tell people that there was going to be an attack on the united states. i think he might've mentioned new york and that it was going to be used as pretext to launch wars of conquest. the problem with that is alex jones does that 17 times every day. alex jones runs a completely paranoid radio show and i don't know if mr. tarpley would agree with me. >> i can't speak for

james bamford is here with us, the author of "the shadow factory" and ultrasecret n.s.a. here, an adjunct professor at the manhattan institute and former constitutional lawyer for the senate judiciary committee. welcome to both of you. you have a problem with this? auto i've a problem with the secrecy that's involved in it. i don't really have a problem with n.s.a. i've written three books on it. one book they had a book signing for me at n.s.a. i have a problem with building a data with a million square feet that we don't know what's going in it. and this is a agency that spent years illegally spying on americans. >> you think -- were they doing things in violation of the constitution, stephanie? >> i don't think they were doing things in violation of the constitution. in this conflict, it's very important to gather intelligence but we have to strike the right balance between keeping our security safe and keeping our privacy rights. >> and the -- the ability of this n.s.a., the cutting edge technology that allows them potentially to look into the every american's home. d

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