but prince bandar is very open about training and supporting arm. groups in syria who hate america just as strongly as they hate bashar assad's government so i don't understand how why would you argue that these regime in saudi arabia as it stands now presents absolutely no danger to the united states let alone the rest of the world well i'm arguing based upon what i've observed which is that. progress is being made however slowly. certainly things are not perfect i don't think i've ever said that my own view is that there's a long way to go but what i think we've got to remember here is we're talking a largely about what the saudis are arguing what they're thinking for example do i necessarily believe that iran is behind everything the saudis accuse them of the answer is no but they see an iranian conspiracy behind every tree that's the that's the reality of how they see the world that's their world narrative right now i guess what i'm really trying to or on ask you as somebody with so much experience both in your country and in saudi arabia is why

years and on top of that one of the country's most powerful politicians intelligence chief prince bandar bin sultan. allows himself to criticize american policies in public why do you think all of the sudden he decided to break this code of silence that saudi and american officials and then taint for a couple of decades already well i would say the last three or four years have not been good for the saudis in terms of their relationship with the united states and what they've expected from this administration they thought after president obama's speech in cairo that he would be a friend of the muslims and would really take initiative with regard to the israeli palestinian question i think also a little over a year ago his speed. on syria in which he said there was a red line that syria could not cross with chemical weapons made them have high expectations that the president would deliver on that and he has in fact he backtracked and greatly disappointed the saudis by agreeing to the weapons inspections in syria instead of arming the rebels and pursuing a regime change which had been the

bandar and it he repeated it recently he threatened ok russia with terrorist activity in russia if he didn't get if there if russia didn't go saudi's way in the syria conflict and once again prince bandar threatened tears well there aren't i believe it's just that i wasn't aware that i mean much my understanding was that the threat was that if you carry on with this investigation you know all kinds of good the contracts which you might otherwise when you were one of the regular shows he made reference to seven seven terrorists and iran and that's part of the public record ok but whatever the would end the catalyst were shocked me was that first of all the serious risk was on you they on you the director of the then director of the service for golfers who was a who is a hell of a good man i mean it shocked me. but not done a good regulator a good man by a crap regulator he was doing what he was doing what he could do under the constraints that are a ploy to british prosecutors and regulates us and they will if you if you like get back to the original question and what is that here you

about this situation where the serious fraud office was investigating a slush fund between prince bandar of saudi arabia and tony blair regarding the british aerospace slush fund this is covered in the financial times and apparently bandar threatened blared by saying if you don't call off the slush fund as to gas and i can't guarantee there won't be another seven seven terrorist act in the city of london whereupon blair folded like a cheap tent were you shocked by that i was shocked by the fact to the s.f.o. who were forced to back off i wasn't aware by the way but there was a threat of terrorist activity more was covered the f.d.a. bandar and he repeated it recently he threatened ok russia with terrorist activity in russia if he didn't get if there if russia didn't go saudi's way in the syria conflict and once again prince bandar threatened terror as well i believe it's just that i wasn't aware i mean much my understanding was that the threat was that if you carry on with this investigation you know all kinds of good the contracts which you might otherwise when you were one of the regul

to try to hinder it in whatever ways they can the question is whether the foreign backers of the bandar. prince bandar from saudi arabia saudi intelligence chief and the saudi money in general has been backing al qaeda in syria up until very recently if they're going to send a very strong signal to pull back and let there with the weapons be removed peacefully so that we we just don't know yet as the chemical disarmament of syria continues so does the international blame game ever who orchestrated the deadly nerve gas attack near damascus russia has been pointing the finger at the radical rebels and foreign minister sergei lavrov says media reports indicate some of the militants are being trained abroad even to has the details. according to the. only afghanistan iraq as well may be used as a training site for the use of chemical weapons they have information that terrorists are taught how to do it. not controlled by the government. runs one of the most radical syrian rebel groups is pointing to him to deliver chemical weapons to iraq along with specialist for a possible future attacks a

prince bandar from saudi arabia the saudi intelligence chief and the saudi money in general has been backing al-qaeda in syria up until very recently if they're going to send a very strong signal to pull back and let the. weapons be removed peacefully so that we just don't know yet complete chemical disarmament bonnin next summer which is the deadline that's going to be a big challenge and not necessarily a realistic one bearing in mind the second stances well apparently it's going to looks like it's not as complicated as have been had been feared by reports i've seen so it may be that it proceeds more quickly let's hope so certainly hope so great. political analyst on all of myths lies and oil wars thank you very much indeed for your time here not. or we've just got some news in here on r t concerning another boat carrying african migrants that set of capsized in the mediterranean reports are saying that the vessel with hundreds of people on board got into difficulties off sicily that's according to italy's navy it's believed more than two hundred currently in open waters italian na

prince bandar is the dean of the diplomatic corps here in town. what do you think of him? >> guest: i think he lies. he lied about me. he is the person who is quoted in the sy hersh piece i was talking about, saying that i was attempting to blackmail the saudis. it's a total lie. complete fabrication. c-span: what about his wife's contribution to possible terrorists? >> guest: well, he's made an explanation for that. but i don't know how one goes about proving it. i -- i think given the track record of the saudis, given the number of 9/11 terrorists who were saudis, and the flow of funds, everything that saudis say in their own defense about this has to be treated with some skepticism. c-span: in barbara bush's new book, there is a picture of prince bandar in there and a story about how he came to visit and cooked for the whole family in other words, implying a close relationship. is the bush family too close to the saudis? >> guest: that's not a relationship i can judge. i don't have any insight into it. but look, prince bandar is a very engaging fellow. he is charming, h

in terms of prince bandar's comments, i would refer you to him for an explanation of them. on core national security issues, the united states and saudi arabia have a very strong and stable relationship. while we do not agree on every issue, when we have different perspectives, we have honest and open discussions. again i can point you the to very constructive positive meetings that the secretary of state had with his saudi counter part in paris. >> so jay carney briefing reporters not only on obama care and jobs, but also on a clear deterioration in this u.s.-saudi relationship, a pivotal relationship rip the united states has with a key player in the middle east underscored only the other day by saudi arabia's unprecedented decision to reject an invitation to become a nonpermanent member of the united nations security council. jim sciutto, our chief national security correspondent is working that story. very significant developments and you also heard a strong defense from jay carney on obama care and what's going on on that front. other news we're following, including a

. >> so, john, what if prince bandar, maybe it's already happened, goes and has a meeting with presidenta and just tells him this straight out, or maybe he has already done that. i mean, it's hard for me to believe that even president obama would disrupt this relationship which what, goes back to fdr, if i'm not mistaken. >> prince bandar has paid for every langley and white house adventure since for at least the contras. he is tired of paying for it. it's over, larry. that's my information tonight. this is not contingent. it's done. i'm talking to riyadh. i'm talking to moscow. they know it's done. >> michael rubin, you reckon it's over or still in the discussion phase? >> well, let me put it this way. at the very least, what we're seeing is ashot across the bow in a way that is more serious than what we've seen in decades. but the whole confidence of our arab allies in the persian gulf has been shaken. the second president obama talked about pivot to asia, because this the life span of all the defense ministers, all the kings, they remember harold mcmillan, the british prime minister i

the account said the head of saudi intelligence, prince bandar, a former saudi envoy to washington, is trying to distance the kingdom from the u.s. it cited saudi anger at a perceived lack of support for syrian rebels and the u.s. decision not to attack after the assad regime's apparent use of chemical weapons. secretary of state john kerry responded in london at a meeting of nations backing the syrian opposition. >> we know that the saudis were obviously disappointed that the strike didn't take place and have questions about some of the other things that may be happening in the region. >> brown: kerry also acknowledged saudi concerns about american diplomacy with iran on the nuclear issue. plus, washington's earlier support for the now-deposed muslim brotherhood government in egypt. and the u.s. role in the arab/israeli peace process. >> i'll tell you that on egypt both of our countries want to see a successful return to an inclusive democratic government with progress on the interim government's specified road map. on the middle east peace, saudi arabia has been a critical partner. j

bandar bin sultan was in moscow talking supposedly about the syrian crisis but i think it also had are their long term strategic thinking about saudi arabia russian relations or write or write your say a mountain security and intelligence analyst mr mehlman thank you very much indeed for your insights. it will trigger and coming your way also a very short break i need it open mark time or a slow rushes knowlton closed gads asian condo ships from i'm going home she's a business reporter katie bale be explains why this is important international trade in just a few months. will go to the. show thirty fold can just spend over fifteen billion euros a head says to each one to keep a million degrees with some talk amongst yourselves from st petersburg to france the trouble in search of the song. we've got the future covered. the. economic down in the final. days the longer the new york shanghai and the rest look like doing the day to believe every week. again this is. a roadside sabates has been held for the victims of monday's suicide bus bombing in the russian city of volgograd six people

the saudi prince bandar bin sultan said there will be quote a major shift away from the us and that it will affect arms purchases and oil sales and most recently citing a protest against the us saudi arabia. security council so could an ally be turning into a foe i spoke with professor. the u.s. has invested a lot in the relationship with saudi arabia and now saudi arabia is threatening to the u.s. i mean talking points and all we hear is this alliance going well. by supporting saudi arabia saudi arabia and many of the gulf countries are probably the most undemocratic the most corrupt and they are really a liability and they have contributed to the sense of alienation between the. world so for saudi arabia specially mr bundy to take this position is a little bit astonishing. but i think i don't think that there will be a total disconnect but if there would be one it would be in the best interest of the us on the whole. the u.s. would not be associated with a country that is the generator of terrorism it will not be associated with a leader like but who is. playing a major role in the b

and and similarly these kind of gratuitous attacks by prince bandar and to a lesser extent by prince turki i don't think are particularly appreciated at the present moment especially i think when what could be called the foreign policy establishment believes very strongly that these diplomatic effort with the ron is really worth pursuing and i think you can see that even reflected in how prime minister netanyahu of israel has modified his remarks just in the past week because i think he's getting the sense that there really is a degree of interest in washington in moving toward detente with the ron that hasn't existed before sorry ok it's and i think you have been causing a lot of people to assess you brought up israel james that it's quite interesting because a lot of people in the greater middle east the arab world would see saudi arabia and israel strongly aligned on many many issues here or what do you think the israelis are picking up on the q. now also is that you know the sands are shifting here and that kind of relationship they have with me will change you know i thank god w

years and on top of that one of the country's most powerful politicians intelligence chief prince bandar bin sultan. allows himself to criticize american policies in public why do you think all of the sad and.

fraud and then go to the justice department for a personal meeting lord knows it could have been a bandar blair sort of situation was he threatening him who knows what happened and transpired in that meeting now john mccain said your personal meeting with the c.e.o. of the corporate target of a major criminal investigation at the request of the c.e.o. while negotiations on a global settlement agreement are pending is highly unusual and under the circumstances that meeting occurred gives rise to concern well i mean the crime in a general nature of business in america as william k. black would describe it former prosecutor who put a lot of bankers in jail and the savings and loan crisis this has become the day to day grist of the american economy and the c. and b. c. folks of course they are in denial they don't think jamie diamond is committed massive crimes and committed massive fraud or or lloyd blankfein over there goldman sachs but of course they have it's been documented they've paid plenty of fines for i mean had there not been laws changed after the savings and loan crisis decrimina

fraud and then go to the justice department for personal meeting board knows it could have been a bandar blair sort of situation was he threatening him who knows what happened transpired in that meeting now john mccain said your personal meeting with the c.e.o. of the corporate target of a major criminal investigation at the request of the c.e.o. while negotiations on a global settlement agreement are pending is highly unusual and under the circumstances that meeting occurred gives rise to concern well i mean the crime in a general nature of business in america as william k. black would describe it former prosecutor who put a lot of bankers in jail after the savings and loan crisis this has become the day to day grist of the american economy and the c. and b. c. folks of course they are in denial they don't think jamie diamond is committed massive crimes and committed massive fraud or or lloyd blankfein over there goldman sachs but of course they have it's been documented they've paid plenty of fines for i mean had there not been laws changed after the savings and loan crisis decriminali

years and on top of that one of the country's most powerful politicians intelligence chief prince bandar bin sultan. allows himself to criticize american policies in public why do you think all of the sudden he decided to break these code of silence that saudi and american officials and then taint for a couple of decades already well i would say the last three or four years have not been.

there was an interesting piece this week about prince bandar who was close to the accomplishment. what they're pushing president obama to do, things that president obama doesn't have support here to do p. he doesn't have support here at home to be more involved in syria p. we saw what happened a few wooks ago when he tried to do even a small military strike. he is caught between those international dynamics where there is more agitation. >> the president doesn't have the political support to do these things. the key point is the president is being asked by a foreign ally to do something hard. this president doesn't like to do things that are hard. he likes to do things that are politically easy. if it's hard he won't do it. >> we should point out that they had never been on the security council, they elected to be, and then they suddenly said no. they said this isn't a message to just the u.n., it's a reminder for the u.s. our discussion continues every sunday on panel plus. find it on our website foxnewssufoxnew foxnewssunday.com. up next, our power player of the week week. when

. >> prince bandar served in washington for a long time.f he made such a comment would that not reflect the overall mood in saudi arabia today. the ki key word is "if he made t comment." he would not go on record and say that. there are issues in syria and iran and to a great degree eye t that the saudis and americans don't see eye to eye and there are open dialogue between the parties and the issues are discussed sometimes very frankly. to call that situatio situatione in the making or a separation in the making that is a slight exaggeration that is not called for. >> when you say there are issues when it comes to iran and the war in syria, what particularly are the issues? what is the point of disagreement. what are the saudis not happy about? >> you have been criticizing iran for the longest time for meddling in the countries in the region. you have called it of an axis of evil member. and because of the change of percenpersonnel in the presidenu are switching gears and beginning a warm and friendly dialogue with the same country that ha

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how do you square what your takeaway was from prince faisal yesterday to what prince bandar is quoteding describing this rift? it sounds like you don't think that that is a -- going to be a durable shift away or a durable problem and policy issue between saudi and the u.s. but how would you answer specifically some of the issues that the sauds have had with u.s. policy, specifically that the u.s. has -- they would say that the u.s. has done little to back the syrian opposition. they would say that the u.s. picked the wrong horse in egypt when it worked with the muslim brotherhood. and they would -- >> when it did what? >> when they worked with the muslim brotherhood, when the u.s. worked with the muslim brotherhood. and they would say that they fear that washington is cutting a deal with iran that would hurt saudi interests. >> well, i'm very familiar with their concerns. and as i say, i spent a really delightful and very, very constructive several hours yesterday with his highness prince saud al-faisal. and we discussed every single one of these things, and i explained exactly where

how do you scare what your take-away was from the prince yesterday to what prince bandar describing thissounds like you don't think that will be a durable shift away or a durable policy issue between saudi and the u.s. how would you answer specifically some of the issues that the sauds have had with you as policy specifically that the u.s. -- they would say that the u.s. has done little to back the opposition. rian they would say that the horse did not work when the u.s. worked the muslim brotherhood. they fear that washington is cutting a deal with iran when it comes to saudi interests. >> well-well, i'm very familiar with their concerns. i spent a very delightful and very, very constructive several hours yet with -- with his highness, and we discussed every single one of these things. and i explained exactly where the united states is coming from, what we think about each of these issues and we will continue to consult with our saudi friends as we always have in the past. and i think -- i think the prince and i left that meeting with a strong agreed upon sense of what is important to b