understand your frustration and as soon as we can we will respond just wondering if maybe commissioner banel has comments to that as well? >> thank you. >> so currently the veteran's administration they're accepting volunteers deployed within their own resources and clinics and other places so i don't know that they are really capability to bring in outside groups that would operate outside of the v.a. system but we can make another inquiry with them and if i can add, colleen you've been a tremendous resource to san francisco and a fantastic partner to your counterparts of the state and the federal level and we've enjoyed looking with you and our loss is alameda's gain and thank you very much and we'll miss you. >> thank you. >> a com days coming from you in december so we don't have it today but we will cap a special one for her next month. >> let me add my voice too, others who have spoken up, i've known colleen, she worked for me in los angeles and i watched her come here and watched her growth and development as a professional and you know we often times talk about the students exceeding