the founder of the barefoot college, banka royce, is with us today.nk you very much for coming. >> thank you very much for calling me. >> it's quite an accomplishment, training people, the older women, to become solar engineers. and in just six months as well. >> you should never underestimate the grandmother. never. never. you have this -- they have such -- they're so gutsy. they come out of a village for the first time. they're on a plane for the first time. they come to a strange land, strange people, strange food, can't speak the language for six months. you're illiterate. and on top of that you become a solar engineer. how much guts do you need for that? >> and what's wrong with men, young men? >> men are usually untrainable. they are restless. they're ambitious. they're compulsively mobile. and they want a certificate. and the moment they have a certificate they want to leave the village within days looking for a job in a city. so you actually lost them. >> how does the system help these women to become financially independent? >> the community