. >> bankss .you know that.of that, of that possibility. >> smith: eah, yeah. >> banks: but, but no ithink, i think what a lot of people don't realize s that um, and i think what i'm saying is true for most -- certainly most serious fiction writers s, is that i'm, i'm really writing this book in order to understand something in the world that i can't really understand or some person or a type of person that i can't understand without the aid oo the the tradition and the apparatus and the.and the, the craft of fiction. >> smith: yeah. >> banks: .to, to, to make it comprehensible to me in the form of a story. >> smith: you're working this out for yourself basically, yeah. >> banks::exactly, exactly and then when the book is it's become the public property in a sense and.ann my.and i'm in a way.i'm a well-informed reader in.of, of the book but the.i have to change hats almost, you know. >> smith: yeah. >> banks: .the coming out of the.blinking out of my cave after three or four years they were in the darkness and hen i come out into the bright lights and and look at it differentll. i beg