replied bannon, long game is him gone by spring. us now, jonathan swan, national political reporter for "the hill", and charlie sikes from milwaukee. jonathan, tell us about the, about this situation with this e-mail. there's bannon saying he's a campaign manager, the year before he's hired to be the campaign manager, a year before he's officially associated with that campaign. that's one element. but at the same time, plotting to get rid of paul ryan, it seems. >> steve bannon has long fantasized about destroying paul ryan. and it's pretty clear from breitbart's coverage, you can see, they've dedicated immense resources to destroying paul ryan. they attacked him for sending his kids to a private catholic school, for building a border wall around his house and not supporting donald trump's border wall, this is the first time we've seen him give orders that he wanted ryan gone by the spring. >> rewind the tape here for a minute. they've attacked paul ryan for sending his kids to a catholic school? >> yes. >> do you want me to explain

and roger ailes right now. >> the quote from bannon, to be clear, came from two advisors that bannonke to so they were describing his strategy, it didn't come directly from bannon. but nobody argues this is, in fact, what bannon wants to do so the strategy pretty much over the last couple weeks since these accusers started coming out was we're not going to play defense. we are going to attack bill clinton, we're going to attack hillary clinton over their history of real and maybe not so real sex scandals as a way of fighting back and evening things out. bannon at least believes there's an electoral component to this also that if young millennial women who hillary clinton is counting on to women just learn about the clintons' past and monica lewinsky that they'll become so depressed and despondent they won't turn out to vote and trump will win. >> and you have trump on stage saying i'm not listening to them, they -- presumably the folks, his advisors, don't want me talking about these accusers and we listened to him go off on them for 20 minutes. david, charles krauthammer, one of the

bannon is egging him on. think he understands where those points are that you can really exercise the grassroots. trump is just pressing those points now. >> thanks for being with us. appreciate it. >> thank you. >> much more to come as we are live at the panama city marina 20 days from the election. can you believe it? today kicks off early voting in the key state of ohio. up next we head to the buckeye state battleground for a check on how many ohio yans areo out casting ballots. we decided to come out today. producer not on the water today. maybe i'll get out there. we'll see. ♪ audi pilotless vehicles have conquered highways, mountains, and racetracks. and now much of that same advanced technology is found in the audi a4. with one notle difference... ♪ the highly advanced audi a4, with available traffic jam sist. ♪ you made with your airline credit card.these purchases hold on...you only got double miles on stuff you bought from that airline? let me show you something the capital one venture card. with ve

if kellyanne conway is on one side, steve bannon is on the other side. steve bannon would seem to be encouraging this talk of a rigged election. he said at one point during the conversation he really -- trump really, really thinks he's going to win. this is by no means a lost cause for donald trump even though he's eight or nine points down nationally so my sense from our conversation with bannon was that he is going to through the kitchen sink at clinton with whatever he's got. >> what strikes me about that is it's not just politically ineffective because i think these types of attacks about things that happened decades ago don't resonate with voters but it's so clumsy. saying in advance that you're going to do this, do they really think hillary clinton will be somehow taken aback and off her game? >> what about republican voters who may be holding their noses over mr. trump and nothing unifies republicans like attacking the clintons, whether it was yesterday or 15 years ago, maybe that, perhaps -- >> i don't know, i think there's an opportunity cost he

but this is the bannon model. having covered steve bannon for nine years as they covered breitbart in the wake of andrew breitbart's death. he thinks targetedded, aggressive media could have a wide influence within this kind of fragmented environment we're all participating in as journalists. >> is obamacare going to be an issue for donald trump in the last remaining days of this campaign and can he make a strong case so that it will win him some voters when trump has been talking about the affordable care act it's almost like is he checking off a box on a to do list, something he is mentioning it nis speeches, there is not a lot of verve there, he says he will preplace it and come up with a reform package but is he not consumed with the health-care issue like the other issues. the people who have seized on the affordable care act and rise in premiums have been the down ballot republican candidates, those running for senate and the house, trying to get traditional republican voters to come out in droves even if th

us tonight, really appreciate it. >> thank you. >>> up next, inside the trump bunker, what steve bannon and donald trump are planning for november 9th. >>> in a rare interview, steve bannon, ceo of the trump campaign told bloomberg business week, trump is a builder, and what he's built is the apparatus to dominate republican politics after that. and what if it doesn't propel donald trump to victory? will the republican machine still dominate politics? will they try to create a new party, an independent party that would wage war on both the democrat and republican parties? as much as donald trump wants to deny the validity of all the polls that show him losing. one trump staffer told bloomberg business week nate silver's results have been similar to ours, that trump campaign staffer confirmed that trump's own polling shows him losing in the same way that nate silver's projections show donald trump losing. so when the trump campaign looks at those polls, what do they really expect to be doing on november 9th? the bloomberg article reports by election day, the campaign expects to have capt

and bannon has a bold new direction for the campaign, because "bannon has convinced trump that the rest of the campaign needs to be bare- knuckles brawl with huge rallies. gloves off." that's right. bannon thinks the reason trump is behind in the pols he's been too civil, and now the gloves are off. the tiny, tiny gloves. ( laughter ) ( cheers and applause ) by the way-- i'm fairly confident donald trump would have no trouble with the pole vault. we'll be right back with amy schumer. ? ? ? ? every time i travel, it's the moments that are most rewarding. because you'll never forget them. the new marriott portfolio of hotels now has 30 brands in over 110 countries. so no matter where you go, you are here. join or link accounts today. my bladder leakage made me feel now i use depend. i can move the way i really want. unlike the bargain brand, depend fit-flex underwear is more flexible to move with you. reconnect with the life you've been missing. get a free sample at depend.com. [?diggy? by spencer ludwig] reconnect with the life you've been missing. ? ? with advil, you'll ask what twisted

is, that's what his base wants to see, the people who are logging on to breitbart, who are steve bannon ago lights if you will, that's what they want. >> casey, from the clinton campaign's perspective, in the first debate, we saw they came, hillary clinton showed up that night, with a trap she wanted to lay for donald trump when it came to the former miss universe, you could say they were pretty successful in doing that. last debate, last chance for a moment like that, anything up their sleeves? >> i think at this point the goal is to keep the ship on a steady course, and i think you saw that in the preparation leading up to this, she's done the same thing she did the last two times, they feel like it worked really well, hillary clinton is someone who performs better when she feels 100% prepared for something, they were preparing last night at their hotel in las vegas with the trump rah gail ya one last time before today. and so i think for them, one thing the trump campaign has lost is the element of surprise bringing these provocative guests. their push was to say hillary clinton was

this is the bannon model.ks targeted, aggressive media can have a wide influence in this kind of fragmented environment. charlie: is obama care going to be an issue for donald trump in the remaining days of the campaign and can he make a strong case so that it will win him some voters? bob: when donald trump talks about the affordable care act, it is like he is checking off a box on a to do list. he mentions it in his speeches but there is not a lot of verve. he is not consumed with the health care issue as he is with other issues. the people who have seized on the rise in premiums has been the down ballot republican candidates, those running for the house and the senate. trying to get traditional republican voters to come out in droves. even if they are wary of donald trump. they're talking about obama care because i think it is something that will get the suburban republicans out to vote. charlie: on the other side is hillary clinton. how do you see what she will do and try to do in the remaining days of the

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but then trump went fall bannon, as in steve bannon playing dirty attacking clinton, the media, and his fellow republicans. bannon is on leave as the executive director of breitbart and serves as the ceo of the trump campaign. with me to discuss paul singer and cnn political commentator david swordlick. welcome to both of you. so, david, if you look at breitbart's front page this morning, breitbart is a blog, steve bannon runs that site, it's like trump's strategy online for everyone to see, right? >> yeah. no, look, the strategy that we've seen from donald trump the past couple of days is what breitbart readers, what the new right, the alt right, if you will, wants to hear from him. look, go back to friday night. people were openly speculating that trump might drop out of the race because of the "access hollywood" tape. he was defiant. he was defiant in the debate whether it repulsed democrats or swing voters. for the breitbart crowd, the idea of calling hillary clinton a hip krit, the idea of saying the country has run amuck on political correctness, not mincing words with his disagre

and bannon knows exactly who he is appealing to. bannon is putting together a coalition that whether there is an eventual night of long knives where that coalition goes away, but he knows, he knows who he is bringing into the tent. the average american doesn't. and this has been really concerning to me. i warned about this three years ago. the influence on dugan, he was pouring money into church organizations here in america about gay marriage. and i pointed this out and said you don't know what you are getting too bed with. you have to be very careful who you are standing next to. you may agree on one thing or another, but you better look into who they really are. because yeah, sure, i might believe in taking care of our borders, but if it's a neo nazi, i'm not going to bond with you. >> rose: so what-- what does the seeming trend in this election suggest to you, that america has said no, no, no, we're not going there. or has it found the messenger simply in their judgement, because of a range of factors unacceptable. >> i think th

he told rudy and he told bannon very directly. you're not playing this game. we're not having them on the stage where you want them. these people are part of trump side show that has gone on for a year and a half. >> trump spectacle. >> where he has degraded american politics in such a way. if donald trump was working for the democrats, you couldn't have been more destructive. >> do you think your candidate, do you think that donald trump is being sabotaged by the gop? >> no. we're working well with them. no. >> you don't think so. ryan's favorability plummeted among republicans about 30 points in the week after, two weeks after -- >> how is paul ryan, do, by the way? >> what do you mean? >> his favorability. >> that's my point. donald trump and him got into, paul ryan condemned him after the tape came out. his favorability plummeted dramatically. what does that say to you? >> that republicans need donald trump. they need donald trump's face. he is helping draw out voters to the gop. the people that will come out to cast a vote for donald trump -- perhaps cast

there's a lot of people referring to statements that steve bannon made in your piece overnight. is this being driven by bannon of breitbart fame or is kellyanne conway, rudy giuliani, is everyone on board with this? >> well, if you read my story, there are two unnamed advisers describing bannon's interactions or describing his instructions in private meetings. you can take that as you would like to. certainly if you look at trump's inner circle of bannon, dave bosse, kellyanne conway and reince priebus, they all seem to be pretty much on board with this. i would say that chris christie seems to have drifted out of the inner orbit a little bit. there doesn't seem to be a lot of conflict within trump's inner circle or within his bunker, maybe a better term for it, that this is the way to close out the campaign. this is the way to go after hillary clinton. they think this will depress enthusiasm among millenial women who clinton is counting on to win. so this apparently is trump's counter strategy to all these new accusations. >> joshua green, great story last night. i encourage ev

and today we got this report earlier in the broadcast, from bloomberg, on tuesday, bannon a laid out the campaign's argument she's led a program of victim intimidation according to two advisors were present, this has nothing to do with consensual sexual affairs and infidelities, this is bill, we're going to turn him into bill cosby, he mr. -- we're happy to say joining us tonight david marness, first in his class a biography of bill clinton, his book "once in a great city" a terrific accounting of the city of detroit is out now in paper back. welcome to you. >> thank you, brian. >> you and i go back to the clinton first term and when people say those things, when people talk about the clinton women, this is a very, very broad question, how do you react? asked and answered, already litigated or your right to ask those questions, make those charges. >> i have to say at one point i had to turn the tv off. i was suffering from ptsd from the late 1990s, whatever the clinton's flaws are their opponent's flaws seem to be greater and so obsessed and that's playing out right now on the hyper

you sawpend a lot of time with stephen bannon, what is his role in the campaign?avelli figure with trump. backstage at the las vegas debate. as soon as trump came off the stage, the guy whose ear he was whispering in was ban non. stephen bannon, jared kushner, the project alamo that we write in our new story. >> if it's jared kushner who owns "the observer" who madeovertures that may they want to start a media business, and then stephen bannon, of breitbart news, is their jam. based on your reporter, is that where they're pivoting to? >> what's interesting about what they have done, under kushner's leadership, they built this data operation that pulled in about 12 million names, 2.5 million donors. but because they paid for it with trump's own campaign funds, he owns it after the election. regardless of whether he wins or loses, so you could see how he could take that audience and fold it in with the breitbart news or something else like that, a trump tv network, which would thereafter being trump's platform, media and political platform to do some kind of a break

glenn: and bannon knows exactly who he is appealing to. is putting together a coalition, whether there is an eventual night where the collision goes away, butalition goes he knows who he is bringing into the tent. the average american does not. this has been really concerning to me. i warned about this three years ago, the influence of dugin. he was pouring money into church organizations in america about gay marriage. said, youthis out and don't know what you are getting into bed with. you have to be very careful who we were standing next to. you may agree on one thing or another, but you better look into who they really are, because yeah, sure, i may believe in taking care of our borders, but if it is a neo-nazi , i'm not going to bond with you. whatie: so what has -- does the seeming trend in this election suggest you that america has said no, no, no, we are not going there? or hasn't found a messenger simply, in their judgment, because of the range of factors, unacceptable? glenn: i think the right has been -- and rightly so in many wa

glenn: i think that was bannon. he said this was a uniting movement. think trump thought, this will be fun, i will give it a whirl. i might last last six months. i don't think he saw himself winning, and i think he has put himself in a position now where, if you look at the financials of his empire, his hotel empire, when they start changing the name of trump hotels, to what are they calling it now? scion? there is trouble for him. charlie: you have called him a pathological liar and possibly a sociopath. what is the indication he is a sociopath? glenn: have you seen him during the last year and a half, truly who couldn'tone help him? truly connect on a human level, and say, this has made me stop, made me think. you know, i'm deeply sorry for what i have said. you know, a sociopath is somebody who does not really see the human experience in anyone else. and i have not seen that in him. i have not seen him deeply affected by the human condition. charlie: no sense of vulnerability. glenn: none. frightening. charlie: what do you make of the fact that he r

steve bannon can do math. knows you're not going to win a national election with that strategy, but if you assume a postelection, trump losing, the trump people say paul ryan and the establishment cost us the election by this last-minute, last month running away. the establishment will say, trump cost us the election being crazy bip being erratic, campaign being like that, and the civil war in the party we thought would be settled in this election will get worse as we go forward. >> yeah. i think that's right. if you look at 2020, trump wins, unlikely at this point. loses, you imagine that 12 or 15 people will run on the republican side again. all of these -- >> oh, thrill. >> i talked to somebody about that. yeah. can't wait for that to happen. yeah. and so you see now people positioning themselves visa vi donald trump, how close are they? ted cruz saying vote your conscience, then saying, i'm all in. >> and the guy who called his father a presidential assassin and -- >> yes. in ways what the republicans are

trump and bannon, whether bannon is doing it intentionally, whispering in trump's ear or trump doing it as reactionary, republicans want to enact republican legislation. they were doing it before trump came in and became the nom nich to the party. they want to do it now. trying to preserve majorities in their party. out of town hall in campaign appearances in the next month and can they say, yes, just locker room talk? they can't. they can't divorce themselves from the candidate. they need his voters. in a complete corner. what bannon intentionally i believe and trump indirectly are doing with this focus away from hillary clinton and a lot on the leadership in the establishment is, making it really hard if not impossible for the party to rebuild, should donald trump lose. >> a real problem. i cover a democratic white house. even if hillary clinton wins a dream come true to have this civil war going on and could undermine paul ryan's leadership. even if they hold on to the house, talk about enacting republican legislation. immigration reform something republicans leaders tried to get

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. >> steven bannon is the architect of donald trump's campaign. what do you believe breitbart represents? >> nobody runs donald trump's -- >> for all the stuff you're throwing around, racist, the last thing donald trump is is racist. i've known him for 28 years. the man likes white people, he likes black people, he likes hispanic people, he plays golf with him. he opened up the first club in palm beach that allowed jewish people, italian people like me who couldn't get into those clubs. >> can you say that steven bannon doesn't run his campaign? >> donald trump runs donald trump's campaign. >> what is he doing paying steven bannon. >> there are a lot of people who do different things. to say donald trump is a racist is outrageous. to call anybody a racist is outrageous. >> hold on, there are people you can call racist. >> you can't call him racist. the man has done more for minorities over the last 30 years in terms of opening facilities for them, hiring them, promoting them, promoting the first woman to be the head of a construction company. >> c

the hill reports that steve bannon told bright bart staffers, which was the conservative website thated to run. he told them, paul rhine is the enemy. is he behind trump's anti-establishment war? sunland surfati is "outfront." >> there is a whole sinister deal going on. >> reporter: donald trump's scorched earth, take no prisoners strategy against his observe party. >> we don't get the support from guys like paul ryan. so look, i don't know i don't want his sport. i don't care about his support. >> seems to be covered in the fingerprints of this man steve bannon who's long time mission to target the establishment wing of the republican party may be egging on trump's anti-establishment tear. >> the shackles are some of the establishment people that are weak and in effective people within the republican party, senators and others and paul ryan led to a certain extent by paul ryan -- >> reporter: -- in august from the far right conservative website bright bart news. >> what we need to do is bitch slap the republican party and get these guys heeding too. and if we have to we'll take it ov

when president kenny bannon he first thought 1200 for himself wide but somebody's certainly turning the hands. i didn't know president kenny stockpiled them like that. as long as the castro regime has other greenside in philadelphia nail salon your right for the register with a gun in his hand off and that the got away. between cage driver and a great white shark. is this a nightmare or what. you might green and she remain calm while he sam outside the before donald trump, there was mike coffman. before trump said women should be punished for having an abortion, coffman wrote a bill to redefine rape, which could exclude women who were drugged. before trump called for a ban of muslims, coffman pushed for a religious test of u.s. soldiers. and on president obama? trump: he could have been born in kenya. coffman: he's just not an american. stop mike coffman now before he gives trump more ideas. bridges planning a wedding. there nine months old english bulldog in roman has been missing for more than two weeks. >> he snuck out and have a search party they put up hundreds of flare activated t

i'm sure trump some of it was his idea, some of it was crazy bannon's idea. so they went in with the wise guy speech in the room where that doesn't work. >> given that and that they probably don't understand the gettysburg address that much better, maybe they've studied it and i'm just being unfair, what do you expect him to say? >> can there be any doubt about which side of the civil war the trump campaign would have been on? there's no doubt about that. >> there's polling that shows a plurality of trump voters that say the south -- >> donald trump is winning in the confederate states. >> except north carolina. >> but as a group, he's going to win the confederate states as a group. >> my question then because we are going to listen to the speech, to at least some of it. >> i happen to have the speech. >> you have the speech? >> it's supposed to release the hundred days agenda, right? and you have to wait until today, unless you are on the trump campaign e-mail list soliciting funds, which they desperately do every day. >> they do. >> so i was sitting at my d

then giuliani and bannon was saying, this is happening.aign is telling the washington post tonight, we want him gone. this is going to make us reconsider even the las vegas debate. up until minutes before, they had the women ready backstage to go right up to president clinton, as they walked out to confront president clinton, face-to-face, on national television. rudy giuliani told me on the record tonight they were ready to have a national fight on television broadcast. but they decide at the end to not have some huge scene. all published on thewashingtonpost.com right now. >> there may not be a final debate? >> i think the trump campaign is furious with the commissioner. they had a gambit. >> on the other hand, trump did well tonight that trump probably wants a third debate now, i would think. >> because he's a little hot. i want to thank everybody for being great. i did give the commencement address out here in 1910 -- >> 1910? [ laughter ] >> sit a beautiful campus and sit the campus of the future. this is going to be a bigger school.

. >> carl, steve bannon who is officially the campaign manager but who was not that as far as we knew last year is saying in a story that was published this evening in the daily beast that he, in fact -- he, in fact, was the campaign manager all along, that he's been that since 2015. you've been following that campaign. does this appear to you to be the case? >> right. well, steve bannon when he was the boss of breitbart and really an icon of the alt right movement and pushing hard on conservative news was saying things to advise donald trump back then. now as the ceo of the campaign, much, much different. he's far more quiet. we heard a lot from him when he was working for breitbart. he's a lot harder to reach as the ceo of the trump campaign. it's really worth noting, brit, that a lot of the campaign problems that trump has experienced comes from the constantly revolving management he's had prior to bannon and of course kellyanne conway, his campaign manager. prior to that one of the problems they're still dealing with is every time a senior official was dismissed, someone else woul

>> we got some documents with the reporter at breitbart late last year, steve bannon is no friend of paul ryan and he was seeking to destroy paul ryan, and proud of it. so it's very interesting that you have steve bannon and you have kellyanne conway, they have different methods, they have different philosophies and i think the bannon going for the base, going after paul ryan, saying to donald trump, listen, you won the primary -- which he did, wire to wire -- run this just like you want. it worked out the last time, but i honestly think he's got to expand his base of voters. >> a hail mary? >> yeah. it goes out to what we were talking about before, turnover -- turnout. maybe that's part of the strategy. >> what have we got to lose. >>> just ahead the gop in disarray. what does the future of the party look like? i'll talk to gary johnson, libertarian for president, and the standings in the polls and his reaction to donald trump's comments on the "access hollywood" video. is that ice-t? nope, it's lemonade. is that ice-t? lemonade. ice-t? what's with these people, man? lemonade, read

and bannon is branding the donald trump campaign in a very media-savvy way and so, yeah, i think it's a flashback to that and paul ryan has to decide what he wants to do, right? if he wants to run in 2020 maybe it's not worth it being the speaker of the house, especially if it's a weakened house and you have a democrat in the white house. >> did you say running in 2020? thank you for my segue. thank you for my segue, nia. >> any time. >> you got me, you got my back. so let me get to this video, this is a piece of video that speaker ryan, he tweets out video everyday, this is the video du jour. >> the way i say to young people is you don't want to just live a good life, you want to lead a good life and if you want to be able to lead your life then you want to have a country founded on core principles that allow you to lead your life and that is what conservatism seeks to conser conserve. that's what we believe in. and it's animate, it's optimistic, it's hopeful and inclusive because it applies equally to everybody. even the read this? >> this entire election speaker ryan has thought of

i do not know if it is stephen bannon or somebody else, but there is some conduit.uld be fascinating to know if people are pitching it to him or showing it to them and he is using it himself. of course, particularly with the debate coming up, all campaigns worried that if you say something in front of the candidate or to the candidate, he or she may blurt it out on the stump. he had a teleprompter at that speech. i wonder if it was on the prompter or that was an ad lead. it was not necessarily something everybody on the campaign wanted him to say. phil: yeah, it would be really striking if that was in the prompter. he said it, so he has to live by it. mark: we have the debate on wednesday. any sense at the trump campaign thinks this is their last best hope for cutting into hillary's lead or they are not building it up that way? phil: well, it is his last, best hope. it is the last chance he will have to talk to 68 million people in the country directly with clinton. he prepared for over the weekend, sunday, with some of his advisers, but he is clearly not putting in

is steve bannon, the man behind breitbart who bragged about being his campaign manager before he came on board, they can cause tremendous damage. >> well, i think that causing tremendous damage is all they have left. i can't believe that people that are around him would actually think he has a shot at winning at this point. let's face it. there's no way that the october surprises are done. there's no way that donald trump is done making an ass out of himself. over and over. when ted cruz endorsed him, when other people that i used to support endorsed him, they would say, well, this is who he is and we all know who he is and they would forget that he's going to reveal new things. it's not just the stuff from 2005. it will be new th things that he has said. going forward, people that don't understand that it's just going to get worse from here, it is going to cause that mass extinction event that matt was talking about. >> you have written really powerfully about the incentive structure in the sort of conservative media, the world of conservative movement. i want to be clear. i don't wa

that's what steve bannon is doing with him.i don't know exactly what roger aids is doing and you can imagine. and i think shean hannity is already auditioning for trump-tv. i think it's clear he would leave and join something like that. i think with the numbers that john is talking about, i think he'd be crazy enough not to do it >> donald trump has been excellent at building his brand. not had a builder of buildings anymore. and on the ails front there is some reporting from gabriel sherman, that they have split and in your view would he need somebody like a roger aids if the play is streaming and not cable because ails -- ailes is a cable guy. >> the huge advantage of playing on that platform is you know who is specifically watching and what's making them subscribe and what's making them turn out, you know, give up their subscription and that's the home run play. now speaking of licensing, the other thing that he could do is simply license his name to a struggling traditional cable operation, newsmax tv or one america and mig

standing in the background of that footage stephen bannon, former head of breitbart orchestrating the whole thing. >> what do they say as the story if they do that tonight. that it rattles the base and secretary clinton. do they have enough on secretary clinton herself, not bill clinton, he's notoriously connected. do they have something new in the coverups. >> what they have to do in her mind is take her temperament down, her standing. >> what if she does what she did in '98 so effectively, not defend her husband's behavior, dvdrs the marriage. when she defends the marriage she wins. >> her popularity soared in '98. i spoke to former speaker gingrich a few minutes ago. trump should not go in this direction, didn't work in '98, should go after populism, try to talk about him as an outsider. >> seems to me, rachel and brian, if hillary clinton does what she's done before, defend the marriage, defend the fact they have been together all the years, recognize that marriages don't normally work these days in that long a duration, they managed to keep together. there's going to be a sympath

bannon, david bosse, kelly kellyanne conway. they are all specialists in clinton scandals. there is no analogous category on the left. like you can't be a lefty who spends his life, like, doing bush scandals or romney scandals. it just doesn't exist. >> right. >> you can make a career for yourself specializing in clinton scandals. here we are in the last 30 days of the campaign, trump is desperate. these guys have his ear and conservatives have wanted for two decades now to relitigate both clintons over their sex scandals and now is their moment. like, so when i talk to these guys, they are not despondent. they are exultant. for conservatives, this is like cubs fans finally getting into the world series. this is what they want. >> right. all right. michelle goldberg, joshua green, thank you very much. i'm going to go to the president right now. take a listen. >> number of people in the republican primaries believe, and the people who knew better didn't say anything. they didn't say, well, you know what, i disagree with his economic policies, but that goes too far. they didn