now let's match steve bannon's power with donald trump's brain. the brain that psychiatrists are increasingly publicly worried about. we will discuss president trump's mental health with a psychiatrist later in the hour. but for a moment, let's consider his knowledge. just his knowledge. what does donald trump know about government? he has proved time and time again throughout the campaign and during his presidency that the answer to that is absolutely nothing. nothing. he is operating at an ignorance level never seen before in the presidency. he had to call one of his advisers in the middle of the night, recently, to ask, what is a strong dollar, what is a weak dollar, and which one is good for america. in that empty section of donald trump's brain that should be occupied by knowledge and opinions an governing policy lives steve bannon. virtually everything that comes out of donald trump's mouth about policy and foreign and domestic is a version of what he has been told by steve bannon. the president's dark anti-american inaugural address came fr

bannon slept on the couch in the living room. on new year's day, january 1, 1996, she" i believe that's mr. bannon's wife, "got up to feed their twins and mr. bannon got upset with her for making some noise." this part is hard to read here in the police report. i think it says "at approximately 0845 hours" although depending on how you read that handwriting, see it could be 0815 hours. in any case, it's some time after 8:00 in the morning he, mr. bannon, started to leave the house and his wife asked him for the american express card so she could go grocery shopping. he said she did not need the american express card and that she should just write a check. she then -- excuse me "he then went out to the car, she followed. she asked him why he was playing these games with the money, he said it was his money and then outside in the driveway the two of them argued." apparently the way it went down is she was sit standing in the driveway, he was sitting in his car and they were arguing. continuing from the police report "he reached up

and bannon speaks that language.nd you heard it today. >> steve bannon also said that the quote, we are a nation with a culture and a reason for being. and i think that's what unites us. how did you interpret that? >> it's dugan. it is the fourth political theory. it is this -- it's very cloaked language that many conservatives will agree with, unless you know what the man is saying. and it is a language of traditionalism, nationalism, heritage. but those things are things that are being used now to divide and pull apart to be able to destroy. the one thing you have to remember about dugan, he has said it himself that he is a leninist. he doesn't believe in marxism. he believes that lenin was right to burn the state down. so it's almost an agent of chaos. and if you recognize the language of dugan, that's what dugan is pushing for, chaos in the western world. uproot everything so it can all be reset into what he believes is a fourth political theory. i don't know what steve bannon's plan is after he would burn down t

he was being interviewed by stephen bannon nn 2015.top are, we're joined by josh harkinson for senior reporter at mother jones. his recent article is headlined, "the dark history of the white house aides who crafted trump's muslim ban." welcome back to democracy now! can you lay out who stephphen bannon's and then we will ask you about stephen miller. >> think at heart, steve bannon is a nationalist who does he turned breitbart news into an eempire that is reaeally one ofe preeminent platforms for the alt-right. as he told us thisis past summe. he is deeply opposed to islam on many levels will stop he is basically a demagogue in the mold of -- from past eras. he is risen to power in the trump administration based on his ability to inflame racial fears and xenophobia. amy: talk about what happened this weekend, the ban through two executive orders that now the press secretary sean spicer is saying is not a ban, although, he himselflf used the teterm any timimes as the presit trump. >> right. as we did at mother jones. we looked at his r

. >>> okay, steve bannon. steve bannon, his title at the white house is chief strategist and senior counselor to the president of the united states. aside from the president himself, steve bannon is the other identifiable person who appears to be running things, directing things for the white house and the new administration. it's interesting for somebody like him to have that impressive, that powerful a political job not just because of his own ideology, his own politics or anything else you might be interested in about him, it's flat out interesting for him to have such a high level in the federal government specifically because of the fact he's never had a job in politics before. at all. this is his first time ever working in government or politics and he's the chief strategist and senior adviser to the president of the united stat states. he was in the navy for a while, he worked at goldman sachs for a while, he made profoundly ridiculous movies for a while. he ran a right wing pro-trump web site until tru

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bannon oppresses deconstruction. the reclusive mastermind behind president trump's ideology and combative tactics made his public debut. he delivered a rebuke of the media and declared the new administration is an unending thele for deconstructive of administrative state. from the excerpt washington post. [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2017] is our line for republicans. this is more from steve bannon it yesterday afternoon. >> i think there is hope it's going to change. out all ofnt pumps this work and the executive orders and the punches he made it to the american people. so conditioned to it. i am so conditioned to hearing about why president trump isn't going to win the election, why a controversy in the primaries going to take down president trump. i lived through it. it really hit me. 2015s maybe the summer of and the media was pounding president trump. the polling cap getting that are an better. it was when i went home and got out of this town and i went back to kenosha and i talked to my ne

although trump's role is large are and bannon pob could be dismissed at any moment. >> steve bannon lastr. trump is blunt instrument for us. i don't know whether he gets it or not. is that admission, that steve bannon sees in donald trump a means towards his own end? >> i think what steve sees is president he can control and manipulate and shape and use the presidency and proximity to the oval office as means to implement the policies and direction to the country that steve wants to see. seeing with the immigrant ban and foreign policy, isolationist, antitrade type of agenda we've seen in the first 1 1/2 weeks of the trp presidency, mirrors what ban has been espousing over time. different stories just came out detailing the foreign policy view. anti-immigrant, antiforeigners, propagating idea that country is under asalt from immigrants wanting to take things away from americans which by the way isn't true but seeing this put into policy and shaping what he wants from donald trump. he sees a candidate and president who didn't have deep policy, deep substance or ideas and he's going to fil

bannon. if i'm donald trump and i'm wondering where stuff is coming out of the white house, the fact he ended up on the cover of "time" magazine. >> you can trace the executive order and all sorts of things to things that bannon has said before. >> he could be signing paperwork he doesn't know what he's signing. but at the end of the day, steve bannon more than anything else is in the business of promoting steve bannon. you don't end up on the cover of "time." if you think donald trump is the great promoter, i think we have somebody to match him in terms of managing the press. basically in the business, carnival barking business. >> you know, this promotion business, you don't accidentally end up on the cover of "time" magazine automotive i've worked with guys who end up on the cover of ad week. no, they just -- bs. >> i don't know. so many different layers of reporting. >> this doesn't happen by accident. what i find so fascinating is the press has been saying for months steve bannon, he's b

but bannon is his top adviser.an, he has the president's ear perhaps more than anyone else. >> well, and they can try to parse this difference between donald trump's view of muslims and steve bannon's view of muslims. but it all takes place ultimately in policy. and trump allowed bannon to roll out an executive order banning immigrants from seven mostly muslim countries and has put that out in play. if there's any daylight between bannon and trump you wouldn't know it through that order. and it's an order in many ways that's profoundly 11th century. you know, 25% of the population -- >> they say it's temporary but of course remains to be seen what happens. >> right. but it's expression a worldview. and i think you can expect things like this to come out of the administration. >> one of the criticisms that candidate trump liked to level against hillary clinton was that she always would go to advisers, her adviser, she would always consult advisers first before making any decision. and in fact his major selling point

steve bannon has an announcement.d. >> and that's how we wound up with president bannon and his dummy danny. >> reporter: president bannon has his own parody twitter account tweeting things like day 33, donald trump still believes he is president. there are impeach president bannon t-shirts. and even a "new york times" editorial called him president? "the late show" showed bannon tucking in president trump. >> night-night. don't let the bedbugs bite. >> reporter: but in person, the only thing bannon flicked was the press. >> the mainstream don't get this at the opposition party. >> reporter: does the actual president mind all the talk of president bannon? >> maybe bannon is calling all the shots. >> if that wasn't true, then a certain cable news fan wouldn't have felt the need less than an hour later to tweet "i call my own shots". >> reporter: former obama adviser david axelrod campaigned bannon and reince priebus to a song and dance team as they got touchy-feely. >> a very dear friend. >> perhaps to dispel rumors of

bannon talking about the globalist media.the case that it's nationalism that unites the strands on the right. those are terms that priebus thinks or speaks. >> bernard, i'll bring you in here. it was a cumbaya moment. there was speculation out there. they said it was constructed by the media. that they didn't get along and butted heads. but they said we share an office suite. what did you make of what you heard? >> if i'm a conservative, if i voted for donald trump, here's what i like to hear. when are you going to have a plan to repeal obama care and replace it with somebody else? what are you going to put forward a plan for tax reform? when are you going to fill all of the administration posts so your government can govern? i didn't hear anything about that. if i'm a conservative, i'm frustrated that my president's approval rating is 38, 39% in all the latest polls. the people are going all around the country protesting every time a member of congress shows up. the only good thing that donald trump can actually say about hi

steve bannon, wherever steve bannon was, donald trump believed this a long time ago.s we've been hearing over the past month and a half. it's steve bannon idea donald trump is going to be an economic nationalist, please, pull tapes of debra norville. >> prebannon era, pre, pre, pre. >> bannon comes in and says this guy thinks like me. the press has it the opposite. all the press and steve bannon. donald trump, i'm teaching donald trump how to think this way. no, donald trump thought this way a long time ago. >> what steve is doing giving trump an ideological vocabulary to suppress these things so they sound pr. >> more dangerous. >> they are in line even though they weren't describing with the same words. >> mark halperin says biggest question in politics, here is what the editorial board writes, donald trump's early weeks in office have been marked by insurgent politics of his aide, stephen bannon and convention gop governance. thanks, steve. the paradox is that while bannonism dominates the media and the public debate, trump's presidency will rise or fall object whe

they themselves are not sure what the role of steve bannon is. how he interacts with reince priebus. this will be an illuminating conversation. >> we'll, of course, have live coverage. we'll be anxious to hear what steve bannon and reince priebus have to say. stand by for that. thanks very much, phil. >>> i want to continue to watch live pictures also coming in from mexico city where the secretary of state rex tillerson has been meeting with mexican leaders. he's meeting with luis videgaray, the foreign minister. they'll be speaking and making statements in mexico city. i don't know if they'll be answering reporters questions but we'll have live coverage of that. just moments ago, president trump addressed the mexican visit by the secretary of state and the secretary of homeland security john kelly. he told business leaders that tillerson's visit to mexico, and i'm quoting the president now, is going to be a tough trip. his words. a tough trip. we'll, of course, have live coverage of that news conference. the statements that will be made by the s

( laughter ) steve bannon gave himself more power on the dl. >> steve bannon has been given a securitynce usually held by generals as a result offan executive order signed by president trump. >> according to the "times," president trump did not know the contents of one of the executive orders. he did not know he was giving steve bannon a seat on the national security council. >> trevor: this is insane. the president didn't know what was in the executive order. and bannon slipped himself on to the national security council. like a kid slips candy into his mom's shopping cart. everyone realizes steve bannon is the power behind the thrown, even the dishonest media. >> president trump's chief strategist appears on the cover of this week's "time" magazine accompanied by the title "the great manipulator." >> trevor: a sweet milestone for steve bannon. on the one hand, on the cover of "time" magazine. on the other hand, on the cover with this photo. what's going on with the face? that's like a professional -- the man looks like a satellite image of a storm on jupiter. ( laughter ) anyway, by

about steve bannon. he was a goldman sachs banker, got wealthy doing media deals. got into conservative media doing documentaries and met andrew breitbart, became friend and counsel to him and when andrew died took over breitbart. he transformed breitbart. when he came in, it made a lot of noise and tapped a lot of people called the complex, the hollywood actors. but then steve bannon turned it into a populist, nationalist political movement i think donald trump eventually road to power. >> woodruff: phil rucker, as somebody covering the white house, how much of the nationalist, populist movement has steve bannon brought to the white house? >> all of it. you can point to many of the acts that president trump has taken in his first month in office, and it's that agenda, it's that ideology, and it's not so much bannon is a pu puppeteer here. they both have same beliefs of pop list and nationalism and upending the structure we've become accustomed to in the post world war era. >> woodruff: ken stern, spell

steve bannon doesn't say that at all. he said he could care less about establishing a positive relationship with the media, so it's sincere and something that everyone in that administration has really come to feel and believe. they're wearing a chip on their shoulder because in so many months and some cases years they were told they were going to lose, on the wrong side of the history, they feel they're emboldened. you heard steve bannon say this is the top of the first inning, he really believes that, the approval numbers are low, are they low among the base, low at what's coming out at kr, pac pa no, he believes he only needs to cater to that part of the country. >> mark, i see you -- you want to jump in, what are you thinking? >> it's just a bizarre thing, that was like a scary buddy comedy, the language they use, we're going to impose sovereignty, like kicking -- get rid of the administrative state, and this media thing, frame them as the opposition party allows them to not be accountable for any mistakes contradicti

oh, no, it's bannon, bannon. tell us about bannon, tell us about bannon. we always tell them the same thing. it's not about steve bannon. it's about donald trump, but the media doesn't believe that. and now even staff members are saying that bannon -- well, bannon even told "the times" today, it was said that bannon was rushing to his allies saying take because of the chaos in the west wing, that he and miller only had a brief window to get his agenda through. and so he has rushed into this power vacuum. then "saturday night live" each picked up on it and made fun of the relationship where steve bannon is president of the united states and donald trump works for him. i think people have this backwards. but here is the clip. >> send in steve bannon. ♪ >> hello, donald. i have arrived. >> hi, steve. you look rested. tired and cranky and i feel like i could just freak out on somebody. >> then maybe you should call australia. >> no refuges. america first. australia sucks and prepare to go to war. steve, i think that was bad. was that bad? >> no. it went just a

that is what steve bannon needs to be concerned about.hment figures that could stand up and defend the republican party. and what it had done. i always say george w. bush, get george w. bush on a stage with donald trump and let's see how that goes. and richard's thought should do pretty well against george w. bush. he was a tough guy to debate but no type a like republican candidates that could stand up to trump. >> do you think it was a question of the candidates or that trump's message which is so powerful that whoever, even george w. bush this year this time in our country it was trump's time? >> i think it was -- i think it's everybody's reaction to donald trump. nobody punches back in an effective way. and so he plays by his own set of rules and everybody else they get their white gloves up to their mouth and so shocked. nobody punches him back in the face. >> by the way, the press basically has done the same thing as the republicans which is, oh, i'm so shocked, it's so horrible! then they overplay their hand instead of just barreli

steve bannon fills in -- steve bannon fills a lot of that in. hear trump in some of the things that he says about the world and about sort of putting a moat around america. so reflecting what is a long-held view of steve bannon who has this apocalyptic view of judeo christian society at war with islam and about global lichl as a threat to the sovereignty of this country. you can hear intimations of that in trump's rhetoric, and i don't think it's something that donald trump has long studied and thought about. yes, i think bannon is really influenced. >> david axelrod, have a great weekend. thank you. >> okay, guys. >>> sunday is oscar night in america. will it be a big night for "la la land" in la-la land. just let that wash over you. ow political will the stars and the hosts get? i think a little political. we'll have all that coming up. your insurance company won't replace the full value of your totaled new car. the guy says you picked the wrong insurance plan. no, i picked the wrong insurance company. with liberty mutual new car replacement™,

the white house chief strategist steve bannon. let's begin with our senior white house correspondent jeff zeleny. jeff, some pretty tough talk today. >> reporter: tough talk indeed, wolf. now, this is from one of his key advisors who was at the center of every decision that's made inside this white house. we know his world view and we see the actions his fingerprints are all over. but we seldom see or hear his voice. we did hear that today. and he said the president is simply doing everything he promised to do. president trump's most influential advisor had a blunt message today for anyone wondering whether the president will change in the white house. >> all the opportunities he had to waver off this, all the people have come to him and said you have to moderate. every day he tells reince and he, i committed this to the american people, i promised this when i ran and i'm going to deliver on this. >> reporter: steve bannon, a master mind of the west wing making a rarely public appearance today. he joined white house chief of staff

>> bannon is a survivor, stayed in the background. had a coming out because of the executive order and powerful role on the nsc. i think he's now very visible. on the cover of "time" magazine. trump likes advocates and loyalists and people who advocate his viewpoint but not people who get more air time and attention than he does. that's been the kiss of death to any adviser that's not a family member. >> thanks. we'll be right back. aaaahh!! ooohh!! uh! holy mackerel. wow. nice. strength and style. which one's your favorite? come home with me! it's truck month! find your tag for an average total value over $11,000 on chevy silverado all star editions when you finance through gm financial. find new roads at your local chevy dealer. introducing new depend silhouette briefs. featuring a comfortable sleek fit. as a dancer, i've learned you can't have any doubts. because looking good on stage is one thing. but real confidence comes from feeling good out there. get a free sample at depend.com. coaching means making tough choices. jim! you'r

steve bannon. what is the feeling there? a piece on cnn.com asking if donald trump is a conservative? are they happy with the vision? >> in the room as cpac, everyone is very happy. unlike the past few years, people have been agitated and agonizing over the direction of the party. are we ever going to win the presidency and who are we? last year, trump didn't speak at cpac which left a lot of people wondering if he is one of us. the mood at cpac all week has been happy. think about it. they have the house. they have the senate. they have the presidency i. they are about to have another person on the bench in the supreme court. so, you know, this is a very happy crowd right now. pence was very well received. bannon and priebus in the early reporting. the white house is showing the unified message coming in to cpac. that's for their own good. >> let's talk about the deconstruction of the administrative said, if you will, eugene scott. i was saying these two guys here today on the newspapers. steve bannon. the president's they

stephen bannon did not comment for this story.ut a white house official when we asked them for a response to the "new york times" editorial which suggested that president trump consider reducing stephen bannon's role, this official said, "if the "new york times" editorial page actually matter why did their candidate of choice lose the most electoral votes of any democratic candidate since michael dukakis"? brian todd, cnn, washington. >>> we'll take a short break here but still to come president trump's new ambassador to the united nationsize lashing out against iran's latest missile test. the details still to come. >>> the new u.s. envoy to the united nations is slamming iran for conducting a ballistic missile test on sunday. >> a u.s. defense official says the missile test failed and posed no threat to the u.s. or its allies in the region. but ambassador nikki haley is standing firm, calling the move absolutely unacceptable. >> the united states is not naive. we are not going to stand by. you will see us call them out as we said

take steps to remove bannon from the nfc.ut if he doesn't take those steps we should be asking questions why a political advisor who is entirely political is sitting in on what are national security positions. kennedy: we know valerie jarett held a lot of sway with president obama. did she ever take part in the national security council? >> not so far as i am aware. i understand that axlerod and i think susan rice would sit in. sometimes political advisors would sit in. kennedy: i actually think that this may be problematic now. there is so much concentration of power in the oval office. but i think future presidents are going to love this kind of flexibility. >> i think it might be helpful to look back at a previous republican administration. george w. bush told karl rove he was not allowed to attend the meetings of the national security council because he didn't want politics to weigh in. kennedy: i don't think he's going to remove bannon any type soon, but it brings up important questions and it's okay to ask them and answ

i look at the big picture concerning steve bannon. people from as many the voice of america, it goes to 120 countries, 16 languages. there was a board of six people that takes care of this. fired andthey were two 20-year-olds are taking care of what is being out -- put out to these countries. that scares me. you can fact check this and it is true. what's the point, why did they do it and i think steve bannon did this. he is a self-proclaimed lennini st which means tear down the country and make it the way you want it. i think people should be aware of our freedom of beach and not -- freedom of speech and not to take it away from us. this is scary because this started in world war ii and it show andbiased reel now it is republican. thathad heard some chatter after -- and there were rumors that donald trump was buying some sort of media venture or television network in the event he lost an election. was what people were calling it and there was some it might become the outlet for some of that creative energy. membersot followed the of t

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>> well, steve bannon has a dystopian view of the word. he has a very anti-establishment view of the world. let's remember the story. the cpac keynote speaker which was one of steve bannon's surrogates was only rescinded after he made comments concerning pedophilia. he used the slogan feminism is cancer. bannon ended up being the star. this is the real conundrum for the movement. this dark vision of the world is very different from the conservatives of ronald regan that praised free trade, for example, and had america leading as the city upon the hill. instead, we're much more looking like a dark vision and dystopian vision of american politics and the rest of the world. >> also, there's information that we're following from a senior white house official who tells cnn the president has assigned the department of homeland security working with the justice department to help build a legal case for the travel ban. that's obviously getting some push back from people in different agencies. is this a search for a solution without a problem? >> w

i'm going to ask you about the piece on steve bannon but i mentioned that bannon generally doesn't care think of him so why do you think he appeared at cpac this past week? >> well, i suppose he's reaching out to people he thought of as -- as the hard line of the -- of the republican party. the people receptive to the old brietbart message. the people who thought that part of the problem with american politics was in the republican party itself. and i think he turned out to be mostly true although there were people at cpac who objected to, you know, to his type of conservatism. >> now, there have been a lot of portrayals of bannon in the media over the past several weeks. we showed one of them, the grim reaper, they also called him the puppet master. the manipulator, the grim reaper, but that brings me to what you said. many paint him as a cartoon villain and then you went on to say while he is certainly a hard line conservative of some kind the evidence that he is an extremist of a more troubling sort has generally either been massag massaged, misread or hyped up. what do you mean by t

bannon making a rare speaking appearance. phil mattingly was at the event.e outside wa washington. we saw members of the trump team showing unity with conservatives and one another. >> that's right. a clear movement to teach with the conservative movement and any dissense you've seen with the white house is not true. president trump agenda was laid out during the campaign and he plans on following through on everything he said. >> he's laid out an agenda with those speeches with the promises he made and our job is to execute all of that. mainstream media, understand something all of those are will be executed. >> reporter: steve bannon on stage with white house chief of staff reince priebus dismissing any reports of division, fighting for all the agendas laid out in the trump campaign. >> he's going to continue to press his agenda and as economic issues get better, as jobs get better, they'll continue the fight. if you think they'll give you the country back without a fight, you're sadly mistaken. >> reporter: bannon appearance with priebus in a public displ

bannon suggests he supported more than a temporary ban. >> why even let them in? the opportunity cost to put in a structure to vet these people, the cost to do that, to what end? can't that money be used in the united states? i mean, i think the issue is should we just take a pause and a hiatus for a number of years. >> reporter: now some house democrats are weighing in on steve bannon right here in a letter to the president himself. they are demanding that he be removed from his post on the national security council. this letter not expected to go very far here at the white house. listen to what they say. "mr. bannon's lack of government experience and his extreme cecilia vega, abc news, the white house. >> and new overnight, whom land security secretary john kelley has revealed the timetable for the controversial border wall with mexico. general kelly joined texas governor greg abbott for a tour of the texas, mexico border and counselly tells fox news he wants that wall finished within two years. the secretary and governor abbott discussed border security and tr

so he goes to work each day, it's steve bannon. is donald trump in any kind of museum. >> it's remarkable. and what's more remarkable about donald trump's appearance today was his complete tin ear to the perception that is accurate that he's anti-semitic. there donald trump was this morning, and he expected like most orders to part because he said anti-semitism was bad. donald trump quacks, walks, and talks like an anti-semite. >> what's an example. >> he hired steve bannon. steve bannon is notorious. donald trump refused to include jews and holocaust remembrance. denying jews had a particular hurt in the holocaust is nothing short of denial. this weekend our organization and others begged donald trump, begged him to comment on the bombing, the bomb threats of jcc. he wouldn't do it. he wouldn't talk about the desecration of 170 jewish cemeteries in st. louis. what happened today, lawrence, as you said, he read soullessly this statement, anti-semitism is a very bhing and jewish person like myself who has a conscience should be shoc

he would have honed in on steve bannon. >> the idea that bannon is, you know, the intellectual heavyweightf this kind of supranationalist wing of the republican party is laughable. >> what would he think of bannon as, doug brinkley, a kind of svengali? >> well, he would have seen what martin just pointed out, i mean, how many-- like swiss cheese just filled with holes. hitchins was deeply well read and a brilliant interpreter of modern life. i do think he would have aimed for bannon as want intellectual poser, and also, leslie nailed it, too-- there's no way hitchins would have voted for hillary clinton. i don't think he could have vote forward donald trump. so i don't know whether he would have gone libertarian or put in somebody else's name. >> but he would have had the commentary, the astute commentary on the state of the american system right now, leslie. >> well, i think a couple of things. one, remember, christopher said the totalitarianism is my enemy. not the person who tells you how to live or makes you pay taxes. it's the person who wants to control how you think. so he would be

bannon: i think the same thing.f you look at the minds of work, the three verticals or three buckets. the first is national security or sovereignty. that is your intelligence, the defense department. the second line of work is what i refer to as economic nationalism and that is wilbur ross and commerce, steve mnuchin treasury, peter nabarro, stephen miller. these people rethinking how we are going to reconstruct our trade arrangements around the world. the third line of work is the deconstruction of the administrative state. and if you -- [laughter] -- [applause] mr. bannon: i think the three most important things, one of the most pivotal moments in modern american history was his immediate withdrawal from tpp. that got us out of a trade deal and let our sovereignty come back to ourselves. the mainstream media do not get this, but we work in consultation with the hill and with bilateral relationships, bilateral trading relationships with people that will reposition america in the world as a fair trading nation, and

speaking of puppeteers, you talk about steve bannon.eve bannon and his strategy to move things as quickly as possible. you say there is a couple of reasons why steve bannon told you he is trying to move things as quickly as possible inside the west wing? >> right. these arguments were ones that steve bannon was making throughout the transition process and, you know, he continued to make now that they are in the west wing. and that is as bannon would say to rip the ban dated off. do all of these controversial proposals on immigration and such first, because they realize they have no runway. there's going to be no honeymoon. the thinking there goes you do two things. you rev up the base, get them very excited and you look at trump's core supporters, they are pleased, by and large, what they are seeing. they think he is a doing a great job first few weeks in office. >> does your reporting show that steve bannon is as powerful as steve bannon would have us believe he is? >> i think there is some ca caricature going on here. we love the scen

," steve bannon is trump's conscience, yikes. in case it wasn't clear yet, steve bannon is our president. and on the "new york times," president bannon, question mark? based on your reporting, would you go so far as to agree with those headlines? >> no, i think that's a step too far. i think donald trump is the president. he's, his own man. he's the decider. what bannan is is, he, think of trump as sort of divided in his personality. is on one side he is the can-do, corporate ceo fix it deal maker, very pragmatic and very practical. but over the course of the past year there's another side of him that now has come to see himself as the leader of a historic movement. a populist uprising that's going to bring down the rotten institutions that are no longer serving the united states and the world. and build up something new and the grandeur vision of himself is where steve bannan has his greatest influence. he feeds that that's bannon's view of history. that we're at a turning point, a crisis moment in history. and so imagine sort o

but steve bannon, this was a sunlight debut for him.hey are different guys but they get along very well. i must say, this was the right kind of debut for steve bannon. i think you know him a little bit, the guy was direct but not dark. he was straightforward but not sinister. he was candid but not scary. so i think he did fine. obviously a very smart guy, operating at a high level and engaged in a high-level argument which no doubt the media and the corporatists as he called them will take up. are there going to be rivalries in the white house? of course. will there be differences ofe opinion between the chief of staff and chief strategist? of course. i remember being a near-secretary of education being summoned to the white house many times because of disagreements. it was usually because i wanted a lower budget and some of president reagan's people wanted a higher budget, but ronald reagan always fixed that. these are strong men with strong points of view. the issues are tough, the load is incredible, there will be differences. i thou

. >> reporter: steve riley reviewed dozens of hours of bannon on the radio. >> it's apparent he views the worldn some type of civilizational conflict in which the judeo-christian west and other forces are competing for resources. >> reporter: bannon a former nave officer made a fortune at goldman sachs as as an investor in the "seinfeld" franchise and called himself the patron saint of commoners. at breitbart bannon's critics said it was fueled by racism, sexism and anti-semitism publishing headlines like, hoisted high and proud, the confederal flag proclaims a glorious heritage. birth control makes women unattractive and crazy.

and it was done with jared kushner and steve bannon among others in the room. that the normal decision-making process for something like this? >> it's not and we don't know at all to what extent there was a normal interagency process? the trump administration because there aren't people in place in many jobs that would review this stuff. there aren't the military lawyers in place, there aren't the national security agency principals necessary. >> ken dill lainian, thanks for your time. >>> joining me now, congressman adam schiff. congressman, do you have questions about what happened? >> i certainly have questions about it and i've gotten a preliminary briefing but there's more to learn about this. i would say i guess a few things. i think it's certainly true that an operation like this is weeks or months in the planning. that doesn't mean it necessarily got a green light by the obama administration. i don't think we know that but i also think the shelf life for blaming president obama is running out for donald trump. he needs to take responsibility for operati

what do steve bannon or anybody?> that's not what he is saying. >> tucker: tell me what he's saying, give me an example of what you think that he is wrong that he said, if not in your peace, perhaps you have a reserve from all your research or researchers have been doing, i want to know. if you've got someone who thinks were at war with indonesia that's like a massive problem for all of us. reveal the information that you've gathered and convinced me that he is the same as al-baghdadi. >> this is a cheap shot, i'm one editor on an editorial board, i didn't write this piece. you just made that up. >> tucker: you can write the piece. i assumed you were coming to speak on behalf of the editorial. >> i am here to speak on behalf of the editorial board. in fact, we told the white house and we told bannon that we were writing this piece. we sent them emails. and asked them to write an opposing view, they chose not to. >> tucker: okay, whatever, maybe they should have, i don't run usa today for it let me ask you a couple di