bannon became a campaign chairman. and david bossie, his organization citizens united was also the very heavily backed by the mercer family, became the deputy campaign manager. a sickly, as trump's campaign is rescue by this gang, they encircled trump and since then they've also encircled trump's white house and become very keita him. they are the mercers' people. 1 rebekah mercer is described as the first lady of the alt-right. you try to get rebekah and robert mercer to speak to you for this these. what response did you get? it was hopeless, clearly, from the start. there nothing but disdain for the mainstream media. robert mercer barely speaks even andeople who he works with who know him. he is so silent that he has said often or to a colleague he said -- wants, i should correct that, that he very much for first the company of cats to humans. he goes through hold meetings and dinners without uttering a word. he never speaks to the media. i think is given one interview that i know of to a book author. who described h

bannon have as well. and gary cone and steve bannon see eye-to-eye on certain things, on economic issues less so. i do think it's right there is a more left of centre contention in the white house who heal from the east coast, you just named them. that there are people like stephen miller, the senior policy advisor who occupies a hard right. he comes from jeff sessions' world. and steve bannon largely occupies that as well. bannon is a clever operator. and i think that he understands when it's time to give up the fight 6789 i also think by the way that like president trump, bannon was not married to-- you know, obamacare repeal and replace is not about economic nationalism. this was about campaign mopup work it was about fulfilling a campaign pledge and moving on to a populist agenda. so i don't think his heart was in it. and i also think that you know, he's, for whatever other collateral damage will take place, i think bannon is going to be fine with the president for now. >> look what bannon said about

bannon, steve bannon being in charge of biosphere2.now whether it was the scientific experiment in the desert. he change the locks. seal onntists wrote the e 2 because he locks them in. vicky: really the point of bringing up biosphere two is to show that steve bannon -- william: is a complicated guy. vicky: he has a history. he is very good at coming in and taking -- he was brought into biosphere two as a banker. and he ended up running it, and he has not appealed to very rich people. they end up trusting him. the billionaire who felt that this project was being completely mismanaged brought him in to fix it. and i believe that -- yes. the other thing that is noticeable with steve bannon, there is always quite a lot of drama. the way that the old regime had to be sort of removed and he could take over, did involve armed federal marshals, so you know. william: he did sort of a similar thing, you know, with getting out, getting the mercers and himself and kellyanne conway out of the cruz camp into the trump cap at just the right moment,

robert: they are, and they used to be run by steve bannon. charlie: but where was bannon?as he saying that to trump and was overruled or was he saying something else? robert: i call them the bannonistas, the people at breitbart who are his friends. they are certainly against the speaker. they are running a campaign against him at breitbart almost daily. inside the white house, bannon is more intriguing because he has to be careful. he has been careful and he has not mounted any kind of campaign inside the white house against ryan. they had some tensions over strategy. bannon went to the house on thursday night last week and said, "i want a list of who is with trump and who was against trump on health care." the leaders said, this makes us uncomfortable. and that is where they had a break. charlie: that is what? robert: where they had a break between ryan and bannon on strategies. ryan did not want to vote on a bill that would fail. you know congress, charlie. everyone knows the vote is going to fail, you have votes fall even further on the floor, so they might have only ha

steve bannon. is he right?i think there's a lot of merit in that argument because i think the women of america were extraordinarily offended and outraged by the statement and the alleged conduct or the conduct that he said he involved himself in. what kellyanne did, a woman came forward, an articulate woman and said, look, he really didn't mean that, that's not the kind of person he is, i know him, and she gave her imprimatur to donald trump, and we know an awful lot of women did in fact vote for donald trump, which i find very, very surprising given what he said and his conduct. so i think there's some merit in what bannon says on that issue, because i think kellyanne conway did, in fact, give him some greater credibility than he otherwise would have had as a result of that tape. >> all right. congressman, i appreciate your time as always. thank you. >> thank you. >>> "out front" next, secretary of state rex tillerson using the fake name wayne tracker for certain e-mails. why? >>> and breaking news this hour,

steve bannon earns their trust. you know, andrew breitbart dies. steve bannon does a lot, i think, to rectify the health of -- the financial health of breitbart and expands its platform. also what i get into the piece which i find very interesting is that quite a few of the republican consultants i talked to mentioned that steve bannon, he often appeared at the white house as a homeless person. >> cohan: he still looks almost like a homeless person. >> well, he wears a suit and a tie. but a number of times he was seen in his track pants and all disheveled. one of ted cruz's political consultants said that's actually a very brilliant strategy in this very strange sort of rubik's cube world of uncomfortable co-dependies that makes up the political world because if you are a political consultant, you want the donors who you are so reliant on to just focus on your brain, on your strategy. you don't want them suddenly looking at your cuff links, or how you eat a bread roll. that can make a huge difference. they can aband

>> steve bannon. it's steve bannon who doesn't know how washington works. the tweet not only the weekend but perhaps of the 21st century was, he's going to be on later today, all members must bow down to me. i am steve bannon. i have been in politics since august 2016. i used to run a website. that's where we are. he blew this, because the president doesn't have anybody on the inside that can come to the hill and do just what we were talking about. what do you need? how is this looking? >> i've heard plenty of theories from bannon over the years about what needs to happen in washington and how we're at this pivotal point in history, it's clear institutions are failing us and they need to be torn down and rebuilt. i haven't heard what comes next. they are good at destruction but not rebuilding. >> here is the problem. you can't tear down washington if you don't have somebody who knows how washington works. we are a nation of laws, not a nation of website builders, of dudes who don't shave or brush their hair who say they are lenin. he wants to stair down the

be bannon. at least it would be incoherent. i don't agree with the guy, find him a little obnoxious but st coherent world view and he knows who his people are and he is going to defend them. the ryan-bannon mixture is an incoherent mixture and that's why this bill is just like on all wings of the party, neither hither nor there. and so the reason i think the ryan and the congressional plan is taking over, a they've been asked to come up with various plans for years now, and b, and more importantly there is just no functioning white house apparatus. the administration has not even, they're not even nominating people for the whole host of jobs. you just can't do, the white house, the principles, the four or five people making decisions and all these scads of deputies, an those deputies are not there throughout the administration so you go to the state department, the treasury, the defense department and the secretary, secretary, the big bosses, they probably making coffee, sweeping the floor becau

you just interviewed steve bannon. do you think breitbart is helping steve bannon push his white house agenda? >> sure. breitbart is built in steve bannon's image. i don't know how much steve is involved in the coverage any more. he says he's not. there have been reports, talking to reporters after stories, but listen, these are people that steve bannon hired for a specific reason, and they're still in maplace doing the job hired them to do. so sure, i think largely, they're helping push the trump agenda. i do think that they're, they're sort of attacks on paul ryan and reince priebus aren't helpful to steve. i think steve likes having reince priebus as chief of staff in the white house. i think he does have a lot of respect for him and what, and what reince brings to the table. >> what did you learn about bannon though? >> my reporting on the story is focussed on his upbringing and his father, and, you know, i joked on twitter today that the story essentially confirmed that steve bannon was born of human parents, righ

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bannon, bob does. but i think it's a mistake to underestimate him for the simple reason he has a world view. some of us think it's pretty dark, but it's a view that certainly was attractive to donald trump in the campaign, and when the crunch gets on, if there are problems, failures, if things go south, i have at least a suspicion that mr. bannon may be more persuasive in that environment than gary cohen. >> rose: the question is not whether he's more persuasive than gary cohen, but jared kushner. >> again, let me yield to bob, but when i read stories about kushner i see kushner is on bannon's side and then the open side. cashner has managed to get good press, from what i can tell because he's the president's son-in-law, he hasn't deeply offended either side. >> rose: maybe because he's a shrewd political player. >> he is. he's a cagey player inside of the white house, speaking of kushner. we got the scene and the story which we thought was telling is kushner almost acts as a psychologist for the two w

bannon said another candidate would have to do it and two months later bannon heard trump speak at cpacn part, quote, trump had been a marginal figure at most to that point. possibility he might be all suitable host body for bannon's world view had not occurred before he spoke, but grousing references to chinese's economic and manufacturing sector were right out of bannon's play book. reporting it on bannon as larger profile of what's next for the trump white house and congress after the health care debackable and help us later this morning. >> let's turn to business. mostly negative following a week for the trump administration. joins us live from london. had the worst week in quite a while. can we expect more of the same this week? >>> well, if you look at tokyo, the answer might be yes. nikkei trading down in tokyo. looking at things like the dollar is dropping to two month low. we're looking at u.s. index futures down to six week low. positive economic data out there, but not listed by investors. of course government bonds rise in price. seen the gold price up to one month high. jap

bannon joined the navy the same month carter took office. in six months, he got promoted, an accomplishment he elects to point out he achieved on merit. >> i am a naval officer. a real naval officer. >> bannon spent half of his career on this decommissioned destroyer. as a junior lieutenant, he was in charge of engineering, overseeing maintenance of the ships water purifiers and propulsion engines. bannon move topside where he became ship navigator. >> i understand one thing, mathematics. >> how did they train you guys to think mathematically? to go the whole process involved in lot of mathematical disciplines from geometry to trigonometry. >> bannon was at the home of the foster. operation eagle claw, the doomed rescue mission of the iranian hostage crisis. >> this was a symbol of military humiliation and some say it changed the way steve viewed president carter. >> very much so. he lost confidence, as a lot of the nation did. >> a few months later, bannon was on the pentagon. serving under captain jay arnol arnold. carrying messages and wr

the white house sent reince priebus, steve bannon and kellyanne conway on the hill to lobby the vote. at a meeting with trucking company executives, the president talked about the vote later today but he was unaware while he was speaking that it had already been called off. he was already blaming politics for the trouble the bill was in. >> they know it's no good. everybody kno it's no od. only politics because we have a great bill and think we have a very good chance but it's only politician. >> i'll speak with two republican house members on either side of the debit. first let's get the -- kelly, where does this stand tonight? >> reporter: the white house simply got fed up. the president discovered that in negotiating with lawmakers even of his own party, to try to please one you would lose others from the most conservative to moderate. he really reached a point and said if not this vote, if not a passage or repeal of obamacare, then on to other things and he used that pressure to sort of say to republican members if you don't stand with the president, with the leadership now, it wi

this comes back to the bannon influence.do you make of the continued association the white house is making with andrew jackson? david: i guess donald is no jackson to me. jackson wasn't the greatest thing, either. but what trump's nationalism strikes me as is much closer to the nationalism we are seeing in the rest of the world, in the netherlands, austria, the u.k. that is not a typical american nationalism. the trump nationalism is the good simple folk of the company , have the purity, virtue, and wisdom. it is very backward looking and historicist. it existed in the past, it was in the peasants, as they said in russia being corrupted by immigrants,rces -- terrorists, etc.. that's not how americans have defined their nationalism. bob: you have written for years about how you would like to see the politics move toward national greatness and the idea of american greatness, but you are saying there's a difference between john mccain style, the republican of a few years ago, and what trump is doing? david: the first thing to s

i think steve bannon has thought of a lot about these issues. reader, grew up talking about politics at the table, and his interest in this sort of latest political revolution, tea party uprising is rooted in a lot of ways in his richmond blue collar upbringing. his dad worked at at&t for 50 years with a high school education. his grandfather worked at the same company for 48 years. and then -- put a lot of savings, a lot of work into buying company stock. that stock was lost a lot of value in the collapse in 2008. for bannon who had been thinking about these things for a long time, it crystallized the viewpoint here that the institutions that his father put his faith in, not just wall street, but also washington, d.c., to prevent something like this, congress failed him. >> steve bannon described his father to you as, quote, the back bone of this country, the every man who plays by the rules and essentially gets screwed over. then his father told you the government created this crisis, the elites got bailed out. interestingly then his son, stev

you used to work at breitbart, you know steve bannon. i want to throw up this steve bannon quote. it's element one and then we'll go to element two. this is a quote about the health care fallout. the hill article was reporting on the report, bannon apparently had a conversation with the freedom caucus in the eisenhower executive office building when some members visited the white house. he said guys, look, this is not a discussion, this is not a debate. you have no choice but to vote for this bill. here's the responses quote, which i love, according to the report. one of the freedom caucus members said about what bannon said, one of the members replied, you know, the last time someone ordered me to do something, i was 18 years old, and it was my daddy, and i didn't listen to him either. is this the steve bannon you know, the person who walks in and just says you will do this or else? >> yeah. i've said before steve ran breitbart very much like a dictatorship. it was his way or the highway. he had no appetite for dissention, no appetite for pushback, no dissent opinions. he had no

apparently bannon likes him.ley: because he's an ultra conservative. >> and here's the thing about bannon. bannon ran breitbart. breitbart hates ryan. considers him -- i mean, i always knew paul ryan to be very conservative. ashley: he's more moderate compared to -- >> he's more moderate compared to not just meadows but the main line conservatives. he's -- and trump conservatives. he's for some sort of immigration reform. you know, he was for the bank bailouts, which bannon hates and is hates immigration reform. so that's where this pressure is coming from. it's dual. coming from the house conservatives members. ashley: so does paul ryan become the scapegoat if this thing goes down? >> knowing what i know about donald trump, i don't care what he said today, he will point the finger at somebody, and it's going to be paul ryan. ashley: isn't that the joke when the owner of the team says we have the full support of the manager. you know that man is going to get fired? >> yeah. the most powerful man inside that white

and bannon has this world view that trump has in many ways adopted. but bannon, he is a comfort dante of president but it is always trump himself making decisions, reacting. this idea of bannon or priebus being the influence, it never bears out. it is trump alone re. styles taking their council but really running on his gut instincts. >> up next, we hear from one of trump's closest friends the president is not a happy camper these days. that friend is with us tonight. imagine if the things you bought every day earned you miles to get to the places you really want to go. with the united mileageplus explorer card, you'll get a free checked bag, 2 united club passes... priority boarding... and 50,000 bonus miles. everything you need for an unforgettable vacation. the united mileageplus explorer card. imagine where it will take you. ...you need to eat this special. kellogg's special k... ...made with whole grains and fiber to help a body thrive... folic acid and vitamin d... ...to make a body feel this good. start your day with 150 nourishing calories...

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and bannon has this world view that trump has in many ways adopted. but bannon, he is a comfort dante of president but it is always trump himself making decisions, reacting. this idea of bannon or priebus being the influence, it never bears out. it is trump alone re. styles taking their council but really running on his gut instincts. >> up next, we hear from one of trump's closest friends the president is not a happy camper these days. that friend is with us tonight. >>> welcome back. it was saturday morning with question, are my teeth yellow? ...have you tried the tissue test? ugh, yellow... what do you use? crest whitestrips crest 3d whitestrips whiten... 25 times better than a leading whitening toothpaste i passed the tissue test. oh yeah. crest whitestrips are the way to whiten >>> welcome back. it was saturday morning with president trump fired off tweets accusing president obama of wiretapping his phones during the 2016 campaign. a charge he made without evidence and won his own fbi director has said to ignore. his own filibuster director said

>> you've got bannon, ryan and trump, the "new york times" said marriage of convenience.. but paul ryan said on thursday, we have a president in the oval office who likes doing deals, who likes making deals, you could ultimately make a new book about writing the art of the deal. on thursday a pivotal day with this vote. >>> coming up, a long time trump advisor, the victim of a hit and run that he believes was deliberate. why roger stone thinks someone doesn't want him to testify in the russian hacking probe. i don't want to pry... dad. but have you made a decision? i'm going with the $1000 in cash back. my son... ...a cash man. dad, are you crying? nah, just something in my eye. the volkswagen 3 and easy event... ...where you can choose one of three easy ways to get a $1000 offer. hurry in to your volkswagen dealer now and you can get $1000 as an apr bonus, a lease bonus, or cash back. what would help is simply being able to recognize a fair price. truecar has pricing data on every make and model, so all you have to do is search for the car you want, there it is. now you'

a think he would've gone for steve bannon.uld have honed in on steve who revealed himself yesterday as a semiliterate and erotic when he said, every morning president trump tells -- re and i just rants ince and die, he meant and me. he is a neurotic windbag. >> exactly. think christopher would have said look to the language. first was trump, incredible poverty of his language. his attack on the press, we remember the nattering nabobs of negativity. that is what is coming out of bannon and trump now. to the language is what he would have said. think we would've learned a lot from that. i grew with you martin, the idea that bannon is the intellectual heavyweight and ideologue of this supernatural must wing of the -- super nationalist wing of the republican party is laughable. >> what you think the state of the american system would be right now? >> christopher said, totalitarian is my enemy. not the person who tells you how to live or makes you pay taxes, it is the person who wants to control how you think. he would be very conc

there is bannon, and bannon wants to delegitimatize the mainstream media because he -- bannon wants to multi-cultural america and the institutions that protect a multi-cultural america other than the courts are the free media, the press. and the press is the one that goes after president trump. so bannon wants to delegitimatize so he's not going to give any space to the regular media. but yet trump, the conflict is, trump on the other hand can't exist unless his name is in print, whether it's twitter, whether it's the tabloids. trump needs to see his name every single day. so his view of what the media is, is the -- either the tabloids or pop culture media, whether it's z or whatever it is. he can relate to that. that's his w to get to the people to see his name in print every day. but the mainstream media, he wants nothing to do with because their idea is to do away with mainstream media, to delegitimatize it, to make people not believe it. >> you know, the interesting thing about what you say there, because there was all those studies during the campaign that showed that fake news si

steve bannon made his own way down to florida. he'll be having dinner tonight with the president and the attorn late meeting with them. not here is the chief of staff, reince priebus stayed in washington. make of that what you will. tom. >> david wright with the president tonight in palm beach, florida. david, thank you. >>> turning now to abc news chief political analyst, matthew dowd. the president started off the week strong with that rousing speech to congress. are these new tweets about to derail his focus? >> pivot to a more presidential way on tuesday. as you know in basketball you have to have that pivot foot firmly planted. his pivot foot seems to be in quicksand. it's going to make it much more difficult to accomplish his legislative agenda in short term. and not only that, his unprecedented attacks on a former president, saying that former president wiretapped him is going to make it very difficult for him to unify the congress. >> matt dowd, thanks. >>> and much more on these breaking political developments coming up t

bannon is all about force. all about showing everyone what the consequences are, if you don't fall in line. and i think that as we turn the page to potentially tax reform and the debt ceiling showdown that is about to happen, you might see a much more forceful president in engaging some of these republican detractors. >> greg and kurt, thank you so much. you are watching the point on msnbc. you can tweet your questions, comments at the #thepoint. more next hour. and that's whene're going to have the report we promised on ivanka trump and government nepotism. we'll be right back. fe's beauti. flonase allergy relief delivers more complete relief. flonase helps block 6 key inflammatory substances that cause all your symptoms, including nasal congestion and itchy, watery eyes. flonase is an allergy nasal spray that works even beyond the nose. so you can enjoy every beautiful moment to the fullest. flonase. 6>1 changes everything.

it's built in steve bannon's image.'t know how much he's involved in the coverage anymore, he says he's not. reports of stories after -- but people he hired for a reason and still doing the job he hired them to do. so largely helping push trump agenda. i do think that their attacks on paul ryan and reince priebus are not necessarily helpful to steve. i think steve likes having reince priebus as chief of staff in the white house. i think he does have a lot of respect for him. and what reince brings to the table. >> what did you learn about bannon though? >> my reporting on the story was focused on his upbringing and his father. and i joked on twitter that i the story essentially confirmed that steve bannon was born of human parents. right? this is the guy characterized as angel of death on "saturday night live," in new yorker cartoon as knocking devil off trump's shoulder and saying i'll take it from here. it is a little more complex than that, more nuanced. so i spent some time in richmond with steve's dad. he's 95 year

it is day 54, the first 100 days topping our agenda, is it bannon versus ryan? >> i am not going to defend donald trump, not now, not in the future. >> it's not the ney released audio of paul ryan from last fall that's raising eyebrs today, it's who released it. we'll tell you about that. also on the agenda, the health care bill on life support. >> cbo coverage estimates are consistently wrong and more importantly, do not take under consideration the three -- the comprehensive nature of the three pronged plan to repeal and replace obamacare. >> the administration still trying to push the bill through congress despite that report from the congressional budget office. some republicans saying, it would not get through if it were put to a vote right now. and also the northeast right now digging out as snowstorm stella continues to make it's way up the atlantic coast. two feet of snow, schools closed, thousands of flights cancelled, travel plans all over the country interrupted, disrupted, because of this trip. is spring ever going to get here? we're going to predict

bannon, wet to steve were quite alarmed when steve bannon was announced as the new chief strategist. breitbart,eadership, in his own words, he chose to position it as the platform for the all right. -- alt right. anyone who traffics in those doesn't ideas don' belong down the hall in the white house. whenever anti-semitism appears, the president and vice president and the people around him will continue to call it out. host: is it fair to call steve bannon a white to premises? -- white supremacist? guest: the complexity of having the moral complexity of someone who accretive breitbart is incredibly troubling -- who created breitbart is incredible troubling. host: a new report in "usa today." guest: governor cuomo has been great on these issues. and theye been jcc's schools and our offices targeted -- day schools and our offices targeted. they are targeted jewish cemeteries in st. louis -- the jewish community has dealt with anti-semitism for ages. we have seen cemeteries metallized in the past. we have seen synagogues defaced in the past. we've never seen a pattern like this. whether

josh, you've profiled both bannon and stephen miller and there was talk that this wasn't a bannon/miller speech but i think maybe rhetorically it wasn't but substantively it seemed to be. >> that's exactly right. if you look at what trump did in ways large and small, it was clear he was hewing to his economic nationalist positions. the very first thing he did was welcome citizens of america. not my fellow of america, citizens of america. i don't think that was an accident and if you went on to listen to what he said in the speech, everything from the props he had, the people whose relatives have been killed by undocumented immigrants and the policies he laid out which were very protectionist this was as the white house source told me, nationalism with an indoor voice, with the volume ratcheted down for a congressional audience instead of a stadium audience but fundamentally the same kinds of things trump has been saying all along. >> we get to the immigration part, it's really important for people to note -- i want to play this clip of bannon and miller talking about immigration. there's

but i think bannon is the dominant force in trump's brain. think that's a major problem because bannon, i think, lives in an alternative universe. >> right. and that's where you see this overlap on the idea that information, allegation and fact, it is all just grist for the mill. there is a real -- a real lack of interest in what is ultimately provable or true. erin, take a look at the report here in abc with bannon, president donald trump summoned some senior staff to the oval office and went ballistic. senior white house sources told abc news. we saw bannon gesticulating rapidly in the pool camera and the feeling was that something isn't working in there. we don't know what the conversation was. >> yeah. i think it is interesting after an election where, like, the first major party female nominee for president was defeated, but it is really right now men are being very emotional in donald trump's white house. but i also think right now the situation we're seeing is, like, a study in you played yourself. either donald trump was getting tappe

i think the reason trump was attracted to bannon was bannon gives voice for a lot of what trump has beennd the notion america can go back to being a manufacturing country and a country organized in a way that will help the middle and working class. the challenge is to find policies working with the republican congress that make that sensibility about america into a reality and i think that is where the short-term challenge continues to exist because you can want those things and feel those things but how do you actually pass things to make them a reality? >> david ignatius, what do you make of this relationship and do you think bannon has a great deal of influence over the president? >> i think bannon is the intellectual heart of this white house. i think we keep seeing his influence over the president and saw that when rex tillerson wanted to hire elliott abrams as his deputy and bannon said i don't think that is the right one. we have seen it in other key policy issues. i think bannon is a radical conservative. but he wants to take down the structure of, as he calls it, the administrat