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we do know that stone was communicating with bannon. that's an important fact for the bureau to fknow. >> exactly it 100%. it's clear this has gone up higher in the trump campaign and potentially the trump white house because a number of people went over. i think the bigger issue is when you run politics and run against the system and pack your campaign with, frankly, amateurs, who are sloppy and not careful about their potentially unlawful behavior, this is what you end up with. people making false statements under oath and trying to mislead americans. >> -- the campaign manager for the campaign at the time that it won, and she had been in politics for a long time, right? a lot of others around in that orbit. it was chaotic. >> it was chaotic. i think i'm going back to the idea that giuliani this morning conversation the president is safe. rudy is saying that and to me, having long conversations with rudy, he's saying to try to counter this messaging, the idea that the president might be wrapped up in this. it's an open question right

steve bannon physically fired me. when we had the conversation of where is this coming from because it came out of the blue two days after the election, steve said, as he put it, quote unquote, the kid. >> you were also about the intelligence briefing back in august 2015. you and mike flynn, the president's first intelligence briefing. you called flynn a russian lackey, said he was off the rails. isn't it fair to conclude, for anyone to conclude, from that briefing on the president did know that russia was trying to interfere in our elections. >> listen, i can't talk about the specifics of what went on, george, as you know in that briefing but the import of the briefing was that the then candidate, now president, came out of that with some concerns about mike flynn because his conduct in that meeting was completely outrageous for a staff person. he was uprating the folks briefing us. he was demeaning them, interrupting them. i felt like as a staff person for the candidate, you were there to take notes, listen and talk

in the cup what do you mean the money of bannon? look, bannon in europe has been tried to set up across national are, a multinational movement of european right-wing parties that once to change european politics in the coming european parliamentary election. there probably won't be a european parliamentary electioin in the united kingdom, but we're hearing all caps of things about bannon, the leader of the far right party for roche, and now some people like boris johnson. he's a right-wing member of the conservative party, but interestingly, in parliament this week, for the first time he used the words deep state. he is saying the deep state is stopping brexit. where does the rhetoric come from? it is the rhetoric of bannon, of the alt-right in america. society,ch in civil face-to-face, but in our social media, my goodness, we are inundated with the fake news and the rhetoric of the breitbarts .nd those info wars it is all over social medidia. and that will be unleashed if there i is a new brexit referendum. amy: what is hapappening

. >> se cupp our host of "se cupp unfiltered" with us now, steve bannon is saying that he absolutelyhored his time, but what did you think about him saying he was doing the lord's work? >> huh. i guess the charitable explanation would be that people working in and around trump at that time maybe thought they were giving a voice to the voiceless in a lot of what they were doing and sort of, you know, bringing in to the fold the forgotten man. that said, if you look objectively at what steve bannon's role was, both in the campaign and then in the white house and his work with brexit, it was very clearly to capitalize on division, divisions in the country, divisions among voters to sort of harness hatred and animosity and stir that up and ferment it and turn it into political capital. i'm familiar with all the gods of all the religions and i don't think that's generally what any of the gods in any of the major religions say that their job is. that's usually the other guy's job. >> sarah sanders has an opinion on this. let's listen to what she has said. >> i think god calls all of us to

it or prove it, would be bannon. and i just don't know if that is the case but i don't think it would be the president. because i -- again, i don't know you have to ask roger. >> what would you say to roger right now? >> tell the truth. because the special prosecutor, while i believe and had filed suit against them for various issues, including what i think is illegal electronic surveillance, i think it is leaking the grand jury information to the press on me, i think their techniques in interrogating me were criminally abusive and no american should have to go through what i went through and that is why i wrote the book "silent no more." at the same time roger should not underestimate the extensiveness of this investigation. the special counsel should be assumed to have everything i handed over everything >> right. >> and i'm sure they had more than i handed over. >> i finish with this. what was the second -- you said during your 40 hours it was roger stone, roger stone, roger stone. what was the second name that wa

sean spicer and sarah, the president and steve bannon said you are huge because of us. i was always there. people want to say i did this. you put the spotlight on me by saying stop shake my head. you put the spotlight on me when you told me to get the cdc together for a meeting. i didn't do that. you did that. i have been doing this for a long time. i have been out there. when it comes to cnn, we have been talking -- there were things going on prior to it. this happened at the same time. this president did not make me. i am morgan state made, baltimore made, april made. i was prepared for the times. >> host: presidents clinton, w bush, obama and trump. one story from each. >> one story, bill clinton, the race initiative. i put together with black journalists, talking about race. george w. bush, two stories. i toured the gallery, the corporate art gallery across the street from the white house, the first lady lost it and the exhibit, we watched the primitively crafted silk, viewed them internet space we saw old elderly women who still felt the state of slavery, oppressio

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i begged the president to not give him that job. >> reporter: steve bannon. >> he's the only guy i'veoth pretentious and like an unmade bed at the same time. i think that's the best way to describe steve. >> reporter: the trump adviser who comes in for the most sustained criticism in the book is still at the president's side, son-in-law jared kushner. is nepotism a problem for this president? >> i think it's hard to have -- it's hard to be objective about your own family, first off. you love them. it's hard to be objective about them. and if they do something really wrong, it's hard to fire them. becauseoff got to have thanksgiving with them. >> there is a narrative out there that jared kushner and ivanka trump soften some of the darker impulses and channel president trump to a good place. >> i think there are times when jared and ivanka play a constructive role with the president. and there are other times when they don't. >> reporter: christie recounts a bitter meeting in trump tower in which he says kushner took him to task for prosecuting his father, billionaire charles kushner, p

brad bannon is president of bannon communications research, a political polling and consulting firm.ur time. donald trump is offering a compromise of sorts on an issue very due to the democrats' heart. why shouldn't the democrats agree to a lease to talk about this? -- very due to. 1st of all, i don't think it isa due to. 1st of all, i don't think it is a compromise. the president gets what he wants, which is $6,000,000,000 to build a wall that americans don't want and experts think we don't need, and in return america gets very little —— $6 billion. all the president offered to do was to extend the deadline for deporting dreamers by three years. now the democrats have proposed a much more comprehensive measure to this problem, by offering to increase money for border security by billions of dollars and providing a path to citizenship, for a earned citizenship, for all documented immigrants. so the president wants what he wants, but he gives america very little and he does very little to solve this complex problem. very little and he does very little to solve this complex problemm th

steve bannon wasn't there yet. i agree that "was directed" is a precise way of phrasing it. >> it says a senior trump campaign official was directed. >> right. >> that means that the pyramid gets smaller for who could make that direction. >> in the previous paragraph it says that stone informed senior trump campaign officials, plural. this is again in the june, july time frame. more than one senior trump campaign official was somehow connected to this pursuit of the wikileaks information. if i'm a senior trump campaign official in the june, july time frame now, i imagine maybe you are a little bit nervous, jeffrey? >> absolutely. i tell you one person who may be breathing a sigh of relief this morning is steve bannon, of all people. there is a passage in here where stone says to someone else, i keep trying to call steve bannon and he won't call me back. i'm sure bannon is glad for that reference. if i could just talk about one thing about roger stone that i think all of us who -- maggie and all of us who covered hi

i know roger stone has said steve bannon is at least one of them. >> yes. >> brennan: but there are a lot of questions about who was i was struck by the fact that trump campaign officials -- bannon has been identified, when you tart to connect the dot, oh, one is steve bannon, but that is the question everyone else has. who are the other officials who were having some kind of conversations with rsq) stone to try to get wikileaks to do something. i think the thing that is clear, and susan collins said this to you, as well, everyone who has talked to the house intelligence committee, everyone who has talked to the nat intelligence committee is now thinking, maybe lying to congress is a bad idea since mueller is really using, that and he's used it with cohen, he's used witted stone. that is putting pressure on people, and if you are onethe ov talked to th committee, you hroughour testimony and woingse t num me's harderwi s t.thbar kl, there's in proof of criminal collusion by trump, by his campaign, and russia, whereas previously there was no cooperation at all, and that line keeps shift

that was in july so that would have to be somebody other than steve bannon ken, you just mentioned the previous indictment and the second to russia indictment where they are talking to the person and talking to guccifer you do know it is roger stone. >> yes, stone released the transcripts of those messages and they lined up. there is no mention of that whole exchange in this roger stone indictment i think it is a piece of evidence for those who want to suggest there is more to the sto story. >> i give a lot of credit to sam nunberg or anything. they know what questions mueller is asking and where the investigation is going as it is reported, those are the people i want to talk to more. >> ken dilanian and rosalind helderman thank you. >> you are sticking around after the break, we are talking about 2020 democrats and the field of contenders. senator harris is officially in. and al bid bid by a billionairs already angering a lot of folks, let's say. my life flashed before my eyes. (911 operator) 911, what's your emergency? (news anchor) in a freak traffic accident saturday, 19-year-old

michelle mudd reka man a corporate lawyer who's working with president trumps form a strategist steve bannon to try and coordinate those parties activities there and they say is to drive a stake through the heart of the brussels vampire but what does that really mean. michel gondry coming welcome to conflicts or thank you i put it to be here nobody is more identified with the populist nationalist movement than donald trump a man who's known as in many cases a serial liar who share his contempt for the truth not at all i don't think that is a lie i think he's a big disruptor i see indeed in conflict with the establishment in concert with the press and i don't i don't believe it is a lie at all but you don't know so he lied from day one in the white house about the size of his inauguration crowd you don't think that was and i was there i was there i was largest ever crowd he said the largest never group there is from time to time somebody the derision but it was a very impressive i was there exaggeration can also be a lie he lied about consulting several former u.s. presidents who told him app

but what do you make of this connection of bannon and abe? and bannon met with a member of the lower house and adviser to the president of the ldp party on foreign policy. so there's something going on here. >> a lot of people have talked about the fact that japan seems immune from this pop list wave that's gone around different countries around the world. i wonder if that will continue in 2019 or might there be. some change. >> i think that one of the elements which may play a role is employment. the japanese labor market is really good. but if we have some problem with employment, then i don't know to which direction it would move. but there may be some potential risk in japan as well. i'm from the newspaper so in japan there are lots of leaders. so people are reading the newspaper and is happening here in the u.s. on a roll. so we can have a problem probably as expanding or something like that and we would have the kind of problem. but so far we haven't seen that. but in the future i cannot. you raised the nationalists and abe was support

there is something about the steve bannon being called names. way he'll call his own people names, you know, tillerson became dumb as a rock and omarosa became a low life dog. >> he cried when i fired him. where did that come from? who made that up? it's a powerful image. >> yeah. i think in creativity, it's neck and neck. >> jason, i think he was talking to the iranians almost like you can imagine the ayatollah saying, he's talking our language. >> this is right from the iranian play book. look, i heard brave heart music. there was a level of rage. you talked about demented people and war we've never seen -- i was close between the iranian and then, of course, the rigged witch-hunt because i just see the president waking up from a fevered dream, cold sweat, rigged witch-hunt, then going back to sleep. i think it goes to the iranian tweet. >> do you think he remembers these tweets? >> he's constantly watching snl. >> i go with the all caps. it has the ripping of a bond villain. this is a line the bond villain would say, i will destroy you. i giv

in the beginning he had a group of people around him like steve bannon, rick dearborn, like omarosa.omebody like omarosa doing in the white house? >> we were going to have the best. >> we didn't because jared kushner, rick dearborn, and steve bannon decided it was more important for them to have control than it was for the president to get a well-prepared transition. >> what did they know? like, who among them has ever done anything impressive in. governmental life? >> none of them. and that's what i said to the president-elect at the time. and i think that's one of the reasons they got rid of me was because they didn't want to have somebody who had been an executive in government, was an executive in government at that time, who had run two transitions of his own, who could call bs on a lot of the stuff and the people they were suggesting. i mean, that's -- we talk about the transition. you know, our top pick for recommendation for him for secretary of health and human services, alex azar. now, he ultimately picks him, but we go through the mess of tom price. we should have never go

one was steve bannon, a chief executive of the trump campaign. stone was not charged with conspiracy. he faces one count of obstruction. they are related to the lies before the house intelligence committee. >> any error i made in testimony would be immaterial and without intent. >> he faces one count of trying to tamper with testimony. at one point, threatening to steal his dog. stone claimed that was his back channel to wikileaks, which he denies. stone said stone wall it. plead the fifth. anything to save the plan. amid references to richard nixon and "godfather" movies. stone urged trump to run for president. as the white house made this claim -- >> nothing to do with the president and certainly nothing to do with the white house. >> reporter: friday, stone doubled down on the loyalty pledge. >> there is no circumstance, whatsoever, under which i will bear false witness against the president. >> sarah murray, cnn, washington. >> let's bring in harry litman, a former u.s. attorney and contributor to "the washington post" joining us this hour. t

, were intent on keeping those kind of people away from him so they'd have greater control. >> bannonne. you always hear the same story about people who work with kushner. nice enough, smart enough, knows nothing about what he was doing. we don't know why he was here, had to tutor him on this. president keep putting him in those situations. let me ask you about one thing in the book without giving too much away. if you have the books page 535. so, context of when the president went to comey and said, be easy on flynn. okay? people say, well, you know, where was his mind? is that really obstruction? i'm not going to get into that with a seasoned prosecutor like you, but in context, you had had a conversation with him, it's in the book, at one point during the lunch, donald said to me, the russia thing is all over because i fired flynn. i started to laugh. sir, this russia thing is far from over. what do you mean? he said, flynn met with the russians, that was the problem, i fired flynn, that's over. that's right, jared piped in, firing flynn ends the whole russia thing. first of all, a

cnn identifyed that campaign official as then campaign ceo steve bannon. the coordination is of concern with the special counsel because of the organization's ties to russia. in 2016 the u.s. intelligence community said wikileaks released the hacked e-mails in a manner quote consistent with the methods and motivations of russian-directed efforts. the special counsel also indicted stone for witness tampering. this for allegedly attempting to sway radio host randy creditco, allegedly, a go-between before he testified to congress. the indictment alleges that stone said creditco should do a frank frantangeli. he said he e-mailed them to say are you a rat, a stoolie. stone then said he would quote take that dog away from you, referring from his pet. stone and president trump have been friends since the 1980s when stone first encouraged trump to run for president. >> trump is someone through the '80s who took enormous risks and succeeded. >> as exploerd in the documentary, get me roger stone. stone once again expressed his loyalty to trump. >> there is no circum

or steve bannon could be another. there was a smaller circle of people who would have been managing it at that point. ken is absolutely right, they go so far back, they had a political consulting firm together. these two were behind the scenes, pulling levers. i think roger stone would admit his sort dark arts of politics, he's said that before. so this is a long relationship. and it's important to realize that that relationship could have been at play in some things we're seeing in this indictment, particularly when donald trump wanted to know what was coming next from wikileaks. people in trump's orbit knew about roger stone but very few knew him like paul manafort did. >> cynthia alksne, you're a former federal prosecutor. this idea that roger stone is going to take to the podium there, roughly 20 or 30 minutes from now, in what universe is that a good idea? >> it's not a good idea. but it's what he's done all along. it wasn't a good idea to go on "meet the press" and lie. it's not a good idea to go to the congress

so he doesn't think about things actually in those nationalistic terms in the way bannon does. it's about the transaction. if he doesn't see the money coming in from u.s. allies, he's prone to say to his own advise otherwise, let's just get the heck out of nato and this has alarmed many within the administration, but, again, stunned but not surprised by those close to jeremy. >> this is going to be a major flashpoint, brian, between democrats and the white house. they're going to want to talk to the interpreter, see the interpreter's notes, talk to the rex tillersons and current secretary mike pompeo about all of these issues. this is an area where the president under our constitutional system has the most power and probably the most prerogative to say, hold it right there, congress, i'm not sharing this sensitive information with you, only i can dictate american foreign policy. here, brian, we don't have a real remedy for it other than the "i" word, impeachment. if the congress of the united states thinks that american foreign policy has been corruptly obtained, obtained for i

he acknowledges at least one of them was bannon. hard to tell from the indictment if those allegations evidence writing or not or some sort of verbal testimony. but we'll see. every step of this engagement brings us closer to the president of the united states. that's just clear. >> christi, can i make a quick point. >> ten seconds. go for it. >> you pointed out stone has not been charged with collusion or conspiracy. that's right. from the indictment, it is clear he was in touch with people in touch with an organization that laundered information on behalf of russia. it is a pretty serious issue when you look at it that way. >> grateful to have you both here. thank you. >>> the longest shutdown in u.s. government history is now over. but the border fights started and still going strong. we'd love some help with laundry. here's how you do it. spray and scrub anything with a stain. soak your nasty jersey. it stinks! wash the really dirty clothes separately. remember -hard work builds character! new tide pods with upgraded 4-in-1 tech

but if you look at the timeline of these various contacts, there were people before steve bannon cameonto the campaign who were having these discussions with roger stone. this was an ongoing conversation, an ongoing pursuit by the trump campaign to check in with roger stone to say, what's coming? have you heard anything that's coming? did you get information you can share with us? >> forgive me for interrupting, but a lot of new people came into the trump campaign. he didn't have a preexisting relationship with roger stone, but he had a previous relationship with steve bannon. he didn't really know paul manafort, he didn't really know rick gates. this is someone the president knew for decades. cnn has just learned that we do expect the president to address the border shutdown and what he calls the border crisis a little later today. david, actually, i can go straight to the white house to our kaitlan collins to try to bring that in. kaitlan, we know the president has been debating his options. does he have something new to bring to the table today? >> reporter: that's what we're going

steve bannon did get fired for shaping the story against the president's son-in-law. there is so much of that. he just hit the jackpot in sitting at her computer watching it, as you said so well, bringing the receipts. >> when i read kellyanne conway's response she says the people who really leak get more positive press than i do. is she talking about the president's son-in-law who had a glowing profile in "the washington post" today? >> could be. what struck me is that's a nondenial denial. >> she can't cross jared kushner for long and keep her job. sounds like she hasn't, but -- >> she can't cross him publicly on the record. the only reason we know about it is because of cliff simms' book saying she was leaking against him. if that's true and it gets to trump and he gets ornery, maybe she's not long for the administration. but she's proved she's a survivor. >> that's her super power. we'll have cliff simms on very soon. thank you all. great to see you. thank you very much for the insights. >>> a top house democrat is willing to give the president $5.7 billion now fo

michelle mudd reka man a corporate lawyer who's working with president trump's former strategist steve bannon to try and coordinate those parties activities there i may say is to drive a stake through the heart of the brussels vampire but what does that really mean.

steve bannon said almost nothing to congress.was refusing to testify about a wide variety of matters claiming executive privilege. he's going to have to do some answering in the weeks to come. >> here we go. happy friday, everybody. thanks, i really appreciate it, guys. thanks for walking through all of it and thanks for sticking with us this hour. >>> just to remind everybody, roger stone is expected to speak any moment after this early morning raid in florida of his home and his arrest and his first court appearance that just wrapped up, he is released on bail. stay with us. we'll bring you that. wouldn't it be great to have epix? this is it guys. you ready? absolutely. woooo! you'd laugh. oh, ow. [ chuckles ] you'd cry. look, look, look, look, look, look, look,. maybe even laugh while crying. what the fertilizer? sounds pretty great, right? riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight! just say, "add epix" and it can all be yours. it's easy to upgrade. and you don't want to miss out on everything epix. psoriasis or psoriatic arthritis, little things

he says steve bannon made clear to me one person and one person only was responsible for the faceless execution that steve was now attempting to carry out. jared kushner, still apparently seething over events that occurred a decade ago. he's talking about why he was ousted from the transition team that he put jared kushner's father in jail a decade ago and jared kushner holds a grudge and had knives sharpened for chris christie. >> there is no love lost between kushner and chris christie. there is no doubt jared kushner and steve bannon took over the transition along with mike pence who often doesn't get mentioned over that period when chris christie was fired almost immediately after the election. look, i think those two found a way to work together. chris christie and jared kushner did during the campaign. but jared kushner tried to block chris christie coming to lead the transition in the first place. there is no reason to doubt that account. while kushner and bannon aren't pals anymore, that was a period of time after the election when they were close, working in tandem. >> it doe

if you think about what that means and we know that bannon was involved because of what we're seeingnt. the real question is do you see bannon running alone in this issue and based upon what we have seen and heard, at least initially through this trump tower meeting, plus butina who was also indicted in this case, you're seeing a lot of these things start to come together. when you start to see them come together, this is how a good prosecutor works. they take the time and they work their way from low and they work their way up the chain through pressure, through -- i don't want to say intimidation, but what they have to offer the likes of a manafort and a gates and a papadopoulos and a flynn, et cetera, et cetera. what you have now is a lot of information where they know a lot and then you bring people in and say, what do you got in this particular case, what we found that stone said things that were simply inconsistent. if that's the case there, that's very likely to see the case for some of the others who are certainly in the targets right now including trump junior and kushner as

perhaps steve bannon. perhaps someone is bearing false witness against me.owing what's in my e-mail and my text messages, there is no corroboration whatsoever for this. >> so he's suggesting gates or bannon will be named. we know that gates is cooperating with mueller. what is your reaction? >> i think it is likely that gates has given some testimony or some information in the case. them low out another possibility. that is that little don might be the one that we are talking about in paragraph 12 of the indictment. we already know he has an appetite for trying to dig up dirt on clinton. we know that because they had a secret trump meeting, supposed to be about adoptions. there is an anonymous telephone number and a story cooks up that trump calls up to find out with the purpose of the meeting was. i think it may be the achilles heel of the president, his family. i think this tells us mueller is getting very, very close to that. this indictment to me reads like the classic prosecutor sort of hub and spoke conspiracy. that is that you have got this centerpiec

perhaps rick gates, perhaps steve bannon >> all right so anna, given that, you have this meter of peril here where does the needle fall when it comes to the president? >> that's a great question we just don't know the when it comes to the president but what our own nbc's own kristen welker reported yesterday is that that top trump campaign official was steve bannon steve bannon has said roger was trying to get in touch with me and i was brushing him off i didn't really -- we didn't really take him seriously. he was trying to seem relevant but the hinge is that mueller has all of these communications and so he has access to really know exactly what went on during that key time frame from august through november and during that time frame when the podesta e-mails were dropping starting in october, and so it remains to be seen, we just have to wait till the next document comes out because as you all know, there have been very few leaks of any coming out of the special counsel's office. so we all just have to wait and see. we were waiting for the roger stone indictment it came down friday.

same source had been told bannon has been told he's not a target. so the july contact and direction is the critical thing. trump better be hoping it's not paul manafort and second-tier operative. >> mike, let me ask you to pick up on that july contact and just fill in some of the details. this was the contact between roger stone and his intermediaries to wikileaks. what's the significance in terms of what was going on in the 2016 presidential campaign? >> obviously, that's a critical time because it's coming out that there had been the hacks. but i think more significantly as you sort of look at the president and look at this incident is these are questions that the president answered. the president when he turned in his answers back in november had to answer questions pre, when the election hand, pre-november. in that he had to answer about his contacts with stone and what he told stone. what we see today is mueller's understanding of what event. the real question is, did the president's answers line up with how mueller sees this played down? and o

folks like mike flynn, folks like steve bannon. what the hell was somebody like omarosa ever doing in the white house? >> there is one character who makes it out of the book relatively unscathed. donald trump. the former governor of new jersey chris christie joins me now live. thank you for being on the show. full disclosure. you were to be sitting next to me. you had some train troubles. i'm glad to see you in front of a camera. >> thank you hallie. the cold today broke up some rails on amtrak so sorry i was running late. >> that's what it sounds like. let me ask you about something the president tweeted about today. it seems like it may be aimed at you. so great to watch and listen to all these people who write books and talk about my campaign and so many other things related to winning and how i should be doing it. as i take it all in i sit back, relax and say, gee, i'm in the white house and they're not. is he throwing shade at you? >> no, i don't think so at all. in fact, i have been communicating with the president and other

so the two things i told bannon were public information, not the slightest bit controversial.s for the claim that -- >> tucker: when and how did you learn that wikileaks had these stolen emails? >> when julian assange said it on cnn on july 22nd, 2016, and then repeated it on fox on august 24th this was not a state secret. randy credico was the source who told me the material was insignificant, dynamite, a bombshell and so on and that it would be released in october. there is also, i think, a reference to dr. corsi in here. dr. jerome corsi no told me in an interview when he was in an interview august 2nd that the wikileaks disclosure would come thereafter and one immediately after that in august that all turned out to be incorrect. so there is no evidence that i received anything whatsoever from wikileaks, that i knew the subject or the content of this material. this is being used to silence me. >> tucker: that allegation is not even in here. the allegation as far as i can tell from reading it is that you lied to this congressional committee. have you spoken to the president

perhaps rick gates, perhaps steve bannon. perhaps someone is bearing false witness against me.ut knowing what's in my email and my text messages, there is no corroboration whatsoever for this. and as for my email exchange with steve bannon, everything i told him in the exchange was hepublicly reported information. politico reported that after assange announced on october 1st that he hadad nothing that day but would have releases every week for the next 10 weeks and that all information on the election, pertaining to the election, would be released in the weeks before the election. that was public information.ti and it had also been reported that assange had security concerns that day. so the two things i toldty bannon were public information, not the slightest bit controversial. as for the claim that -- >> tucker: when and how did you learn that wikileaks had these stolen emails? >> when julian assange said it on cnn on july 22nd, 2016, and then repeated it on fox on august 24th, this was not a state secret. randy credico was the source who told me the material was significant,

so who can boss steve bannon around and direct him to shake the tree and get roger stone to push on wikileaks? certainly if robert mueller is no teaser and it would be quite a tease if this were anyone other than the president. >> you think so. >> that's for -- yeah, that's -- certainly he knows that speculation will be there. the indictment, michael dreeben, the wordsmith and the team thought about this use of voice. they'll stitch it up in days all the focus has been if paragraph 12 where this passive voice is we'll hear about paragraphs 13 through 15 tomorrow where you really have -- i would say this goes a step farther than a coordination indictment. it's something of an affect situation indictment, that is, you really see stone about the business of pushing on wikileaks who now, by the way, we have to consider julian assange an avowed enemy of the united states working with him to really try to make this happen that is the stuff of conspiracy and whether or not he actually had the direct communication and contact with him, the attempts there are going to go farther than simply

steve bannon -- it's widely agreed upon that it's in. to get in touch with wikileaks. is something that is going to foreign entity, one that is lined with a foreign government before, asking for dirt on your political opponents. as andy said, it's smelly icky political stuff and you don't go to jail for that. that's one thing. but it brings more attention to don jr. and that meeting at trump tower. which we know there have been lies about. >> harris: also, to my knowledge, not mentioned in here is that -- as jessica is putting it -- the house select committee on intelligence is the venue that roger stone is alleged to have lied to. we have seen lying to congress, areas where people have been caught in investigations of mueller. talk to me about that part of the indictment. i believe it's on page 3. >> andy: harris, looking at this, i think we are going to have a harder time proving the false statements than they are proving the witness tampering. it looks based on the text that you have here, the witness tampering looks very strong. but i am very surprised that some of