. >>> coming up next, richard engel sitting with steve bannon. on assignment with rich challenchaengel is coming up next coming up next . >>> tonight we're on assignment in rome, meeting the pope's most dangerous critic. >> nobody else has stepped up to do it. >> and we discover how russian trolls turned americans on each other. >> did you feel like, i got had? >> i didn't know what it meant. what happened? >> plus, we go to africa to meet a real life miracle worker. >> is there hope for congo? >> there is hope. ♪ ♪ >>> rome, the eternal city. seat of the most powerful religious figure in the world. pope francis is the 266th pontiff and he leads the church's 1.2 billion followers. but he's a new kind of pope, a humble latin american jesuit more devoted to the poor than the royal pomp and circumstance that comes with the thrown of st. peter. that's convinced some powerful critics that the holy father is a left wing liberal. and they're coming for him. led by, of all people, an american who loves upsetting the established order. >> the administrati

and how does bannon connect that cover up with liberalism? >> so bannon is focussing on this issue.t of the time that i spent with him, he wanted to talk about the abuse scandal and he says that the church isn't handling it, that the church has been covering it up and that is very legitimate criticism. you hear that all the time. you have been hearing that for many many years. and what people, however, who are critical of bannon and what he's doing is they say, yes, this is a real crisis, yes, it is something that francis is dealing with or maybe francis needs to deal with better, but that bannon and others around him are weaponizing it. they are using a legitimate issue and using it to hammer francis because they have other issues with him, which is that he doesn't like the populist movement that he's been reaching out to the gay community, that he's been reaching out to migrants, and that that is the real problem with him. >> well, that is a problem with him because that's why i like the guy. anyway, thank you. those will the reasons we like him. >> we didn't even mention the mona

of bannonism. he says this will be a school to teach judeo-christian values to a new generation of nationalis populists. and bannon says the pope is the owerful opponent to his plans. >> he's constantly coming back and tting all the faults in the world on this populist nationalist movement. >> reporter: maybe he's right maybe they are a problem? >> absolutely nonsense. >> reporter: bannon's ambitions go far beyond the u.s. there are people that are going to see this and think, oh, no. steve bannon, the guy who helped put trump in the white house, now has his sights set on the vatican. >> why would they think that? >> reporter: why can't you stop? because it's true because that's wh you're doing? you're trying to bring change to this institution. >> this institution needs change. this institution is in decline. i think people will say that. >> reporter: this is just t beginning? >> very beginning. this will take years. >> reporter: richard engle, nbc news, rome. >>> and you can see more of his repor

. >>> steve bannon -- is taking aim at pope francis. he considers the pope too liberal when it comes s to the scandal rocking the catholic faith. richard engel has an exclusive one-on-one interview with bannon. and richard is joining us now this morning. richard, you've got this exclusive interview. can you tell us why we believe bannon is doing this. >> reporter: sure. so he wasn't just an interview. we spent some time with bannon and this is a story about what he'sdoing, not so much about his opinions. bannon, who has considerable political talents, came up withb a pk to help president trump into the white house is now using the veryy same strat of bringing different people who have different grievances and energizing them and turning them into a political force and directing that playbook at the vatican at pope francis. s said that unl pope francis does more to address the sex scandal t vatican will go broke. now people who are critical of bannon and others around him say, yes, the sex scandal is absolutelyegitimate issue. but that b

it's a political movement as led by and exemplified by steve bannon. he of trump fame, long ago aimed his sights at destabilizing your peeb government and the nato alliance. so why not the vatican. that's where our chief foreign correspondent richard engel found steve bannon, having decided the pope is his next target. >> pope francis is a new kind of leader, who reaches out to immigrants, gay, and muslims. now is sail person who helped elect president trump is going after the pope. >> it had min straitive apparatus of the church has to be changed. >> that's president trump's former campaign chairman, steve bannon, now on a new crusade. are you feeling confident that after you helped bring pretty significant political change not united states you can also impact change here? >> absolutely. not doubt. >> bannon's goal is to save the catholic church from the pope, who he says is failing to deal with decades of sexual abuse. by priests. >> my problem with the pope today is about this crisis on p pedophilia, that they are not treating this as a crisis. >>

richard engel explored this with bannon. >> why is steve bannon now taking -- >> because nobody elseas stepped up to do it. >> reporter: his goal is to save the catholic church from the pope who he says is failing to deal with the biggest crisis facing the church today. >> my problem is about this crisis on pep fill ya, that they are not treating this as a crisis. >> they weaponize the sexual abuse crisis to try and undermine his authority, his leadership and the affection people have for him as pope. >> bannon says he's spending about a million dollars of his own money to restore this 800-year-old monostair. >> he wanted to change america first, now the pope and beyond. >> how big is this campaign? >> it's pretty big. it's worldwide now. they don't like lgbt people, people of color, they don't seem to like the poor very much even though jesus spent most of his time with him in the gospel. >> bannonism. joining me now, richard engel. we know that steve bannon was operating in europe and a lot of the right-wing anti-immigrant policies and parties are being supported by him. but i neve

so, this will take years. >> people say why give bannon any airtime?is happening, he's leasing this monastery, supporting nationalist movements around the world, gathering together people with grievances against the pope. they're connected online and as we saw in the united states with the election of president trump, that's a powerful recipe. >> richard, thank you. this is just some of the reporting from a special we're airing sunday even at 9:00 p.m. on this network. richard engel on assignment. that will do it for this friday night and for this week. have a good weekend. good night from our nbc news headquarters here in new york. >>> happy friday. you made it. today a federal judge handed down the most lenient sentence yet against any of the defendants charged in the mueller investigation or in any of the prosecutions that have derived from the mueer

they first met when bannon ran the ultra conservative breitbart news website. bannon is untrue z. asked dick about hard wells project i'm just honored he's asked me to help out and you know what i'm trying to do is add maybe a little organizational ability and and in bring in donors faculty people i would know throughout the world they can teach. bannan wants to bring together populist and identity tarion forces in italy and other european countries a patronage by conservative catholics suits his cause very well he also has a zion next month's european parliament elections. that's really serious because the populist nationalist sovereignty movement has great politicians a great message and now it is trash and that's what it's going to cause maybe it's the momentum peace through space in other nations a stunning victory. for bannon the academy should become an ideal breeding ground for his crusaders among its backers are all true conservative circles within the vatican who reject pope francis's liberal calls for inclusion and support of immigrants. the american cardinal raymond leo

richard engel caught up with steve bannon. >> why you?s the steve bannon taking on reforming the vatican? >> because nobody has stepped up to do it. >> reporter: his goal is to save the catholic church from the pope. who he says is failing the deal with the biggest crisis facing the church today. >> my problem with the pope today is about this crisis on pedophile that they are not treating this as a crisis. >> they weaponize the sexual abuse crisis to try to undermine his authority, his leadership and the affection that people have for him as pope. >> reporter: bannon said he is spending a million dollars of his own money to lease and restore this 800-year-old monostary. >> reporter: he wanted to change america first. now the pope and beyond. s >> how big is this campaign? >> it's pretty big. it has a lot of money and it's worldwide. they don't lgbt people. they don't like people of color. they don't seem to like the poor very much even though jesus spe spent time with them and they really don't like pope francis. >> he's not alone in his

bannon claims the pope is not doing enough about the sex abuse crisis in the catholic church.tics say bannon is weaponizing the crisis to target pope francis for his liberal views on homosexually, climate change and immigration. the pope last week kissing the feet of rival leaders of south sudan. richard engel sat down with the pope for a new report. >> reporter: the pope is a humble leader who reaches out to immigrants, gays and muslims. now the same person who helped elect president trump is going after the pope. >> the administrative apparatus of the church has to be inc. chaed. >> reporter: that's president trump's former campaign chairman, steve bannon, now on a new crusade. are you held confident after you bring pretty significant political change to the united states, you can also impact change here? >> absolutely, no doubt. >> reporter: bannon's goal is to save the catholic church from the pope. who he says is failing to deal with decades of sexual abuse by priests. my probl my. >> moi problem with the pope today is this crisis on pedestrian peel ye pedophilia. >> repo

catch richard's full interview with bannon on sunday at 9:00 p.m. on assignment with richard engel on msnbc. >>> let's turn now and get a check on your weather with our meteorologist. >> good morning. can you believe there's over 25 inches of fresh new snow in south dakota here and this storm system continues to make its way across the upper midwest. what you're seeing across the radar right now a little bit of bright banding that's happening. you see snow trying to fall but not making it down to ground level. we still have those winter weather advisories. blizzard warnings in place throughout the afternoon for the upper midwest. snow accumulation really isn't impressive but you're seeing that low spin out and that will cause very gusty weather for the afternoon. this entire system will make its way offshore causing the wind to spread into the midwest, the northeast. still local gusts from chicago to portions of new york up to 35 to 40 miles per hour. so expect some minor delays throughout your afternoon. now the other side of this system, we're tra

it's going to take years. >> reporter: people say why give bannon any airtime?g. he's gathering together people who have different grievances against the pope. they're connected online and as we saw in the united states with the election of president trump, that is a powerful recipe. >> richard engel in our london bureau tonight. this is some of the reporting from a special we are airing on sunday evening at 9 p.m. eastern on this network, richard engel on assignment. that's going to do it for our friday night broadcast and this week. thank you for being here with us. have a good weekend. good night from our msnbc news headquarters from new york. >>> rod rosenstein previewing parts of the mueller report. we have that story later tonight and a breakdown of donald trump's education chief betsy devos under fire for using kids at props while still trying to slash $200 million worth of programs for literacy. we begin with trump's power grab and a sign he knows some of his own orders are illegal. first there are new reports trump wanted to ploliticize border policies.

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vision has won the support of steve bannon the former advisor to u.s. president donald trump the two devout catholics have met frequently in rome. i'm just honored used as me to help out and you know what i'm trying to do is add maybe a little organizational ability in and in to bring in donors faculty people i would know throughout the world they could teach than and he's now trying to bring together right wing parties from across europe into a unified group called the movement he's hoping for a surge of support in the upcoming european elections this may because the party was national sovereignty movement as a great politician is a great message and now it is correct and that's what also maybe this will remain in the news groups say the nation's a stunning victory. some observers are concerned about the alliance between bannon's movement and the conservative training academy. was against east indian point that brings them together is an obsession with identity politics. yes it increased mission they say we are christians in the west and europe is base

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priebus, mcgahn and bannon. if you want to call at this time mueller effect, does that explain why stephen miller is not being allowed to testify some my understanding, my conversations with stephen miller suggests he would be eager to go have a fight with democratic members of congress in a televised manner. >> i think the stephen miller objection, that it has more to do with his policy positions. i don't think they're looking at him to add more fire and fury to what already appeared. i think it is about policy. >> why not go defend it? if mueller wants and it bannon and some of the other old guard would say, have a debate in congress. >> he's going to be asked about the policy making procedures in the white house. and more on the fact that this president has no impulse control. that he makes these decisions without consulting with anyone. that will come across. that will disturb the american people as well. that there is no system of government, really. >> i can think of two reasons you woman want stephen mill

we've got a pump price alert as we head into the weekend, and former white house strategist steve bannon blasting wall street and china in an exclusive sitdown. his kmends comments and reaction from beijing ahead on this friday, april 26th, as worldwide exchange begins right now. >>> good morning, good afternoon, and good evening. i'm brian sullivan yesterday was 3m today it is another dow component. that is the stock to watch today. that is intel. it is deep in the red. stock up 8% in the premarket companies slashing its revenue forecast last night. as cramer called it, 2m after that fwrb number the worst decline since 1987 intel likely going to be the story today. we're seeing a similar drop here, but the nasdaq yesterday hit a new all-time high intraday you pay attention to two things. the close, where we closes, and also the intraday move actually, we still have hitting many records on these indexes. we're not closing at them. once again today, it is all about earnings we have got a ton of big names that could move your money big-time we've got to start with this one. one of the bigg

bannon spoke to mr. kobach on july 14, 2017, is that correct? rep. cummings: i don't remember the -- sec. ross: i don't remember the date but sometime around that point in time. rep. cummings: you spoke to him on the july the 14th of 2017. mr. kobach emailed you and asked you to add the citizenship question. this is what mr. kobach wrote to you. he said he wanted it added " problem was a quote that aliens who do not actively reside in the united states are still counted for congressional enforcement purposes ." that was several months before any letter from the justice department, is that correct? it. cummings: -- sec. ross: is correct that that was before the census letter but it is also correct that i rejected the question mr. kovac wanted to ask. rep. cummings: you had nothing in your emails or phone calls with mr. kobach had nothing to do with your efforts to push the citizenship question? i have no control over what kris kobach or anyone else but it emails sent to me. as we evaluate the truth we often look to see whether the testimony is corrobo

bannon refused to answer almost all our questions.hen we pressed to hold him in contempt, the g.o.p. members of the committee would not go forward. they did not want to cross him to that degree. there were whole periods of time in which mr. bannon refused to answer question and when we asked if he was assert soming privilege he merely said he was not answering the questions. >> all of this event and all our coverage on the mueller report available at c-span.org. we'll take you back live to dubuque, iowa, to joe biden. ♪ >> good to be almost home.

and bannon and priebus think it's a shock collar. they think it's a shock collar. their own boss holding a shock collar on the sitting u.s. attorney general at the time. that's in the report. >> yeah. >> this is the president that we have operating in the white house and this is the way he operates. >> don't forget the fact that bannon and priebus were in that scene the human guardrails between the president and his instincts and behavior. so peter baker, the president lands tonight at mar-a-lago. as we said, he promptly tweeted out a promotion of the fox prime time schedule. he tweeted out the fact that russian interference happened under obama. and laura ingraham went on fox tonight to say where's the apology, mainstream media, to fox news. that's another way of me asking you, where do you think this is headed? >> that's a great question. i mean, brian, you and i were around 20 years ago when another report came down on another president. like the starr report in those days, we sort of knew the broad outlines before the report came in only to be shocked by the de

. >> after trump fired bannon, he acted like he barely knew him. >> he's got nothing to do with me and nye mie family. he not only lost his job. he lost his mind. >> it's almost as if the president doesn't know we've got records of what he said. perhaps he's already told us everything he needs to follow about his relationship with the truth. >> just remember, what you're seeing and what you're reading is not what's happening. >> and that's your "reality check." >> always good. don't go anywhere, john. it is a comeback for the ages. tiger woods' epic win. "new day" continues right now. >> here it is. the return to glory. >> this has meant so much to me and my family. >> for tiger to get back to the top, the greatest comeback in sports history. >> hard to comprehend right now. >> the public has a right to know whether their president is working in the interest of the country. >> i don't think congress are smart enough to look through president trump's taxes. >> like many of the arguments for this white house, it's chum in the water for their base. >> the whole house was shaking. we came

at bannon's home on the way back. >> exactly. the idea that this was a random happenstance absolutely strains credulity. >> and both erik prince and steve bannon say, i can't find any messages before a certain date. essentially admitting that they've -- well, look, they didn't say they've destroyed evidence, but it certainly seems like they couldn't access evidence. >> yeah, i mean, and that's not the only time. i mean, mueller mentioned, specifically, in the report, that, you know, there were instances, actually, he uses the word destruction of evidence. not specifically to bannon here, but that that seems to be a running theme, and i don't want to get us off this topic, but, again -- >> but i feel like -- >> -- it goes to the obstruction. >> i go back to this. it feels like the two are related. some of these charges didn't get brought on conspiracy, not because they didn't think it happened, but because the evidence was missing. fair? >> right. and that seems to be a theme of this report. i think mueller says it pretty explicit

of bannonism.ge america first, now the people and beyond. how big is this campaign? >> it's big. it's kind of shocking. this don't like lgbt people, they don't like people of color. they don't seem to like the poor very much, even though jesus spent most of his time with them and the gospel. >> excuse us, we're having a little bit of a fire alarm test here, which you might hear in the background. but this movement is happening. it is big, well funded and organized. and did you just see that monastery? it's incredible. bannon wants to turn that into a school to teach a new general race of populist, quote, judeo christian people. >> and that alarm there, we'll let you go. >> by the way, on assignment with richard engel airs sunday night at 9 a.m. eastern. >> is he going to blocks in the monastery and put as cid there, too? >> mika? >> yes. >> this is your church, this is my church. >> i know. >> this guy, steve bannon, he clearly so opposes doing anything to help the poor, the disenfranchised, the ot

our own brian sullivan speaking with former white house adviser steve bannon earlier today bannon making some headline-grabbing comments about china and its relation to corporate america. >> the high operation of the chinese communist party and what they're running in china is being funded by wall street, and corporate america. remember, pbs or npr had this thing the other day about intrusions into stealing intellectual property in american companies they talked to a treasury official that went around to like 200 companies not one company had been stolen from would press charges because they didn't want to be blacked out of china corporate america today is the lobbying arm today of the chinese communist party and wall street is the investor relations department. >> my guest is no stranger to dealing with the pressures of doing business overseas. international paper has a strong presence in china but has recently been divesting there. mark sullivan is president and ceo of international paper welcome. >> good afternoon, kelly happy to be here. >> tell us what you don't like about doing bus

bannon have apparently fled their devices. and so -- >> do you believe steve bannon has been candid with your committee? mr. schiff: well. when we have the opportunity to release his transcripts, you will see that mr. bannon refused to answer almost all of our questions. and when we pressed to hold him in contempt, the g.o.p. members of our committee would not go forward. they did not want to cross him to that degree. and so there were whole periods in time in which mr. bannon refused to answer questions and when we asked whether he was asserting some privilege, he merely said that he was not answering the questions because the white house asked him not to. >> could you bring bannon back? mr. schiff: we could. and we may. what we're doing right now is we are combing through the mueller report to determine what areas did mueller exhaustively examine? such that there's no need to re-invent the wheel. what areas did he not examine? what areas would the public benefit from the public airing of the testimony? we're looking through

according to bannon the president said the same thing each time. he told me three times i'm not under investigation. he's a showboater, he's a grandstander, i don't know any russians, there was no collusion. according to the report the following weekend at trump's golf club in bedminster, new jersey, trump said he wanted to remove comey as fbi director. and days later on march 9th indeed comey was fired. back with us tonight is eric tucker, justice department reporter for the associated press who has covered the mueller investigation since its original origins, and, eric, i don't know if you can put this into words, exactly how determined was this boss to get rid of comey and find fault at every turn? >> i think, brian, the one consistent refrain that we get from all of these witnesses is that there is one thing that the president is looking for, and that is some sort of claim of public vindication from the fbi director. he wants a statement from jim comey that we are not investigating the president of the united states. and that is not something t

vision has won the support of steve bannon the former advisor. for tied together there is also resistance interest ulti many residents don't want baron and his acolytes in the village the monastery is a place for tide to go there is also resistance in trees altie many residents don't want baron and his acolytes in the village the monastery is a pilgrimage destination and attract tourists opponents want the italian government to prevent it being turned into a right wing training camp. david sadie but if the law is a cultural location in our village being used for an ideological project to make it into the moderates terry interest is being used as the foundation for a movement but what are its ideals with whose money is it being funded to what end han world's plan is clear his center interests altie should become a launching pad for right wing populism across europe. he plans to open the doors to his first students this summer. so rebecca how is this center and balance plans to create this movement in europe being received by far right parties thei

that's what steve bannon and chris kobach wants. they want an under count and to receive fewer political representatives and less resources and we can't let them win. >> wow. what a day. thank you both very much. appreciate your time. thank you. up next, dnc chair on the troubling response to the mueller report. audible members know listening has the power to change us make us better parents, better leaders, better people. and there's no better place to listen than audible. with audible you get a credit good for any audiobook and exclusive fitness and wellness programs. and now, you'll also get two audible originals: titles exclusively produced for audible. automatically roll your credits over to the next month if you don't use them, and if you don't like a book just swap it for free. enjoy 100% ad free listening in the car, on your phone or any connected device. and when you switch a device pick up right where you left off. with our commitment free guarantee, there's never been a better time to start listening to audible. the most

and steve bannon. he was in the west wing during the early incidents known to be under investigation in the instruction probe. nadler's moves come as the latest poll show most americans don't think trump is in the clear when it comes to russia. an expert stressed that trump faces grave legal peril in terms of the yet unseen section of the mueller report. head of the office of legal council of clinton writes in "the washington post" this weekend, quote, the most damaging aspect of the report would be a thorough account of trump's efforts to obstruct justice. the known facts are bad enough. the report probably contains others. barr's letter said mueller included facts on, quote, both sides of the obstruction question. that statement does not rule out the possibility that the facts are strongly on the side of guilt. and that is where we start today with some of our favorite reporters and friends. chuck rosenberg, former u.s. attorney. aaron blake, senior political reporter for "the washington post." also