and that's how president baraka obama won re-election. and so if they can do that, it could make a difference. >>> i think there's a lot to overcome. what you are seeing, is unprecidented levels, and people are down and out about a lot of things. the economy, and all this unsettling news about ebola. and doesn't feel like, in talking to voters, that people are excited, about this election. and a lot of people, don't know. and so, they don't think it matters, because nothing gets done. so, those operations for democrats to overcome, all of that, plus the trends of the mid-terms, and the older, whiter voters, who tend to favor the republican party. >>> the polls don't show the ground game operation, and the difference, they underestimate the voter, that might come out. is that true in the past? >>> has the ground game made the difference in the past? >>> i think it did in 2012, and they were very wrong, and they had mitt romney winning states, and you saw it, and so, i think that does make me weary, that when you have polls, and that, i ten