. >> barb mcquade, when the federal judges evaluating mark meadows behavior, is it worth noting thatef of staff in history as ever done any one of those things after a presidential election? >> i suppose it's worth noting, but i don't know how far that goes. i think instead the real question here is, as you say, in the motion filed by mark meadows he describes all of these acts as the kinds of things that are chief of staff does. i made phone calls, i arranged meetings, i was acting as an emissary. those facts on their face are fine. but it was the purpose of those acts that is what makes them criminal and beyond the scope of his duties as the chief of staff. if he is arranging a meeting with the president and someone else and his cabinet, that's part of his duties. what he was doing instead was trying to tamper with an election. this is a game the defense attorneys play in all white-collar cases. the acts them selves are not, per se, illegal, it's the purpose of the attempt to defraud that makes those crimes illegal. with that same game going on here with mark meadows and i think th

. >> barb mcquade, big surprise at 1:45 pm. kenneth chesebro, the lawyer who may have originated the idea that to the vice president of the united states gets to decide who the next president is, he is filing for a speedy trial. what does that do to this case? >> it's a really interesting move. it reminds me of the motion was filed by former alaska senators ted stephens. he demanded a speedy trial. it's very rare. so often defendants want to delay the case. reasonably, i think, they need some time to digest all of discovery and to file appropriate motions. so prosecutors generally assume that finally have an indictment is going to mean many months before the case goes to trial. in the tenth stevens case, he demanded a speedy trail. he got one. as a result he was able to trip up the government in their case and with a lot of discovery miscues resulted in his case being dismissed. so it may be the chesebro is saying i would put the heat on fani willis. i don't know if she has the resources to try the case in a speedy fashion. my

and barb mcquade, a university of law school -- she's an msnbc analyst.im heaphy, let me -- only getting to do that now, finally. he says the first time i heard about this, in early december, i said i rejected it, refused to accept it. the very first time. and then the last time of course was 11:44 pm on january 6th. >> yeah, he did ask a lot of people after december if it was true. i think he was doing some diligence and calling people, he called dan quayle, he called paul ryan. he didn't talk to judge looted big luttig -- asked greg craig jacob, his lawyer to research the situation even before december. but what he said there in the clip in indiana today's consistent with what marc short and greg jacob told us. which was, he was consistent that he did research and asked for advice. he was pretty convinced all along that -- he did not have such authority and diligence, to only confirm that. i don't know, lawrence, if he is the star witness. he is an important witness. but -- star witness in this case, in my view, there are so many important voices who co

barb mcquade joins us once again barbed one of the things that we've been going through this and doing this live on television, it's always dangerous, i feel like i'm finally getting a bit of closure on this indictment and some of the real human drama that we saw later particularly in the january six investigation in congress. i'm thinking critically about ruby freedom freeman and shaye moss, two election workers in georgia who work and i mean specifically who were terrorize, including having people storm into her home, people caused her neighbors, they had to go into hiding at one point before people want to make a citizens arrest of her all while donald trump and his allies have demonized these women, portraying them as having headed up some effort to defraud the electorate. we've got multiple charges now, multiple felony criminal charges against people will actually try to intimidate ruby freeman, who went to her home, talk to their neighbors, who banged in the door, who told her that they were there to help or when they absolutely were not. i wonder if you'd be able to clean any im

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they took part in different alleged predicate acts, which would be actual criminal triggers which barb mcquade was talking about. those acts you'd have to prove two of which to establish the conspiracy, the criminal enterprise. if you have the former publicist who shows up in this bizarre dystopic turn to try to bully ruby freeman and mark meadows doing a lot more than that, are they sitting there side by side? i don't think i quite understand how these people -- how their individual calculations of their defense interests are going to start to make themselves known and what that's going to mean for how this plays out. >> yes. and i think that's for a huge indictment like this where 19 people are all alleged to be part of the same criminal conspiracy and that criminal conspiracy had ten different plots in it and she wants to try them together, but if we'd known the abstract of what happened, and this is someone who knows what he's doing. while it seems daunting to us and i'm sure it seems dopting to the defendants right now, it seems the prosecutors set it up this way on purpose. the last thin

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. >> barb mcquade, big surprise at 1:45 p.m. kenneth chesebro, the lawyer who may have originated the idea the lawyer gets to decide who the next president is. >> it reminds me of a motion filed by former alaska senator tedas stevens. he demanded a speedy trial. it's very rare so often defendants want to delay the case. they reasonably i think need some time to digest all the discovery and followal approprie motions, and so prosecutors generally assume the filing of an indictment is going to mean many, many months before the case goesth to trial. ted stevens case he demanded a speedy trial, he got one. and as a result he was able to trip up the government and it ended up in a lot of case misskews that the case ended up being ultimately dismissed. my guess is fani willis would say game on. we took our time indicting this case because we wanted to make sure we were ready for trial in case anybody needed a speedy trial. i imagine other defendants would be moving their trial because they want more timeth to prepar. it seems that's p

. >> barb mcquade, a federal judge today officially ruled that rudolph giuliani did indeed lie about election workers in georgia. that's in a civil case where they are suing him, successfully, now for defamation. the only thing left in that case to decide is how much should the financial damages be against rudolph giuliani. we all saw, on the day he was arrested, that he was peppered with questions about this very matter. and he kept saying that it's irrelevant, this is nothing to do with the criminal case. this admission that he made, that he, in effect, in this civil suit he admitted that he lied about those women, that that has no effect on the criminal case. what is your view of that? >> it's not binding in the criminal case in that jury is not going to be instructed that he has admitted this and you can use it. i think he is entitled to a finding that he attacked them, harassed them in other ways. but for the same reasons that came in in the civil case, it's going to come in in the criminal case, and so i don't know that his lot is going to fare any better in a criminal case. an

laura jarrett, chris hayes, barb mcquade, and joyce vance, thank you so much. just hours before donald trump officially turned himself into atlanta authorities, completing his fourth criminal arrest, house republicans launch another effort to rescue him. house judiciary committee chair congressman jim jordan has opened an inch work worry a default and county d.a. fani willis. in a letter to miss willis, john accused her of leaving a politically motivated prosecution of the former president. the congressman questioned whether willis worked with the justice department and it's special counsel, jack smith, and demanded that willis turn over all documents and communications between her office and federal officials, including anything related to the use of federal funds. now we have seen republicans in congress circle their wagons around mr. trump before it happened after mr. trump was indicted in manhattan, republicans demanded testimony and records from manhattan d.a. alvin bragg's hush money investigation. the d.a.'s, the a bragg's response to all that was basica

our friend barb mcquade a believes available to us. barb has made a bill to look at the details of the indictment is this is come out. again we're, looking at 41 felony counts, 19 defendants in a district attorney who just said she wants to trial and six months and actually try all 19 defendants together. andrew weissmann believe she will not try all 19 defendants together. barb, was jumping at you in terms of what you see today what you've read? >> i think this indictment is a very impressive piece of work and i think fani willis is a very impressive prosecutor. one of the things it is mentioned in the indictment if she did into in their her remarks that the prosecutor only has to prove to racketeering crimes. so not those predicate those over acts, all of those are listed, those are really more evidently than anything, but the various predicate acts are the crimes. the perjury, the false statements, the solicitation, the violation of an oath. a jury only needs to find the two of those were met to get a rico conviction. when we charge

. >> barb mcquade and dick gregorie, thank you for your analysis. appreciate it.- earlier this year, ron desantis was tied with donald trump for the republican nomination. so, what happened? the latest on the implosion of diet trump. but, first, you just wanted to find 11,000 more votes, when georgia investigators could be the next to indict the former president. the next to indict the former president. next scene might take a while. for a great low rate, go with the general. i need it cool at night. next scene might take a while. you trying to ice me out of the bed? baby, only on game nights. you know you are retired right? am i? ya! save up to $500 on the new sleep number® smart bed. plus, 60 month financing on most smart beds. shop now only at sleep number®. every business that's why comcast business de is launching theal. mobile made free event. with our business internet, new and existing customers can get one year of unlimited mobile for free. it's our best internet. powered by the next generation 10g network and with 99.9% reliability. plus one line of free

joining us now, msnbc legal analyst barb mcquade, co-host of the hashtag sisters in law podcast, nbce reporter, ryan j. reilly, his new book about january 6th broke the justice system hits bookstores october 17th. and special correspondent for vanity fair, molly jong-fast. barb, it laura for eastman says his legal team should decide by this weekend if he can seek a speedy trial. talk about the tension when you have trump trying to delay. >> it is interesting. most fans prefer delay their trial date. they want to delay the day of reckoning. they hope that maybe the case will get better for them. the evidence will grow stale. witnesses were to get the details. sometimes what does even die. but from time to time, we will see a defendant assert their right to a speedy trial. it may be an effort to get the prosecutor flat-footed and catch them before the righty. it may be because they want to put some time -- maybe they want to provide a -- for donald trump. so whatever it is, i'm sure that fani willis did not indict this case until she was ready to go to trial. so my guess, she'll be rea

our friend, katie barb mcquade reminded me yesterday of a cartoon with a man holding a phone up to hisnd saying, never! how about never? that's what this trial dates make us think of. this is trump's effort to put things off and definitely. the judge won't let him get away with that. >> just to remind our viewers, judge tanya chutkan in the election interference case, august 28th, will actually be setting the trial date. we'll actually have some clarity to that as it comes up. there were some reporting, joyce, i happened yesterday. and -- she's, roee could be wrong, but i like that name. so, kenneth chesebro, there's actually video of him on january six outside of the u.s. capital. he is one of the architects of the big lie election fraud scheme that donald trump deployed. you know, he's an unindicted coconspirator and that election interference indictment. there were six of them we know about, joyce. now that we're seeing stuff like him being present on january six, do you think that actually nudges him closer to being actually charged and not remaining as just an unindicted coconspir

. >> barb mcquade, there seems to be credibility questions from mark meadows in this. newspapers that he claimed that he went to georgia when he visited the cop county for the vote audit that was going on out there and it was turned away. he said he was there, he was in town because was visiting one of his children. he wasn't there because of the election, just happen to decide to go to atlanta that day to visit one of his children and then decided to turn to the spot to audit votes and see if he could illegally get in the room where the votes were being audited. this is one of those things where, when you get on the witness stand like this, the credibility of every question affects your overall credibility. >> it does, lawrence, and again he's locking himself into these stories so this idea of why he went to georgia or this thing about this was all about settling litigation it may come out later from other witnesses that those things are true, or that those things are absolutely not true. so if he tries to take the stand again and testify in any way that's inconsisten

. >> barb mcquade and dick gregorie, thank you for your analysis. appreciate it.g up -- earlier this year, ron desantis was tied with donald trump or the republican nomination. so, what happened? the latest on the implosion of diet trump. but, first, you just wanted to find 11,000 more votes, when georgia investigators could be the next to indict the former president. i learned i can stay undetectable with fewer medicines. that's why i switched to dovato. dovato is a complete hiv treatment for some adults. no other complete hiv pill uses fewer medicines to help keep you undetectable than dovato. detect this: most hiv pills contain 3 or 4 medicines. dovato is as effective with just 2. if you have hepatitis b, don't stop dovato without talking to your doctor. don't take dovato if you're allergic to its ingredients or taking dofetilide. this can cause serious or life-threatening side effects. if you have a rash or allergic reaction symptoms, stop dovato and get medical help right away. serious or life-threatening lactic acid buildup and liver problems can occur. tell

mcquade. we also have with us on set msnbc legal analyst danny cevallos. barb, let's start with you and quite simply get your initial raebz after reading the 45-page indictment and hearing from special counsel smith. >> no surprise in light of the target letter we got. what was surprising to me was the inclusion of six coconspirators without naming them and without charging them. that says to me jack smith is laser focused on getting this case tried as soon as possible. it gives them one last opportunity to become witnesses and cooperators instead of defending because eventually he'll get around to charging them if they don't get onboard. i think strategically really a brilliant move by jack smith to charge the way he did. >> danny, as we just read the indictment lays out trump was repeatedly told that he lost. he knew that he lost. how important is establishing that exact? and is that something that trump and his team is going to try to -- how would they push back to say their claim would be, no, maybe he did believe he won, he did believe it was stolen? >> to

mcquade, former u.s. attorney for the eastern district of michigan. melissa, joyce, barb, it's great to have the three of you with us. melissa, let me start with you. talk to me about georgia's speedy trial law here. it's obviously now being front and center with what we've seen. what does it mean, that both sidney powell and kenneth chesebro want to move up their trial? and is there any benefit to them in doing that? >> right, i think that for these particular defendants, they have a lot at stake. they are both practicing attorneys. you have to imagine that their livelihood is in limbo. based on these charges. they do have a reason to want to get them resolved as soon as possible. it also means that their case will be severed from the remaining codefendants who, although these two have requested a speedy trial, the judge can't force all 19 to go to trial in two months. those cases would be severed out. that also means that those cases, which are severed out, get kind of a sneak peek, right? at the evidence that is going to be presented in this case. although most of the