barbara, we talked olitics in the primary. barbara, we talked politics and _ in the primary. and law, _ in the primary. barbara, we talked politics and law, what's _ in the primary. barbara, we talked politics and law, what's about - in the primary. barbara, we talked politics and law, what's about the | politics and law, what's about the public? this is simply fall into the category that american politics is hog hardly divided and partisan and you're either in one camp or another?— you're either in one camp or another? ~ . ., , another? yet, i think that it really will show up _ another? yet, i think that it really will show up again, _ another? yet, i think that it really will show up again, the _ another? yet, i think that it really will show up again, the deep - another? yet, i think that it really will show up again, the deep for. another? yet, i think that it really i will show up again, the deep for and divisions within the country. you did have a surge of support in the polls for mr trump from republican voters and those were measured against other republican primary

barbara, i know when i used to re ort leaving. barbara, i know when i used to report in — leaving., i know when i used to report in africa, us _ leaving. barbara, i know when i used to report in africa, us aig _ leaving. barbara, i know when i used to report in africa, us aig were - leaving. barbara, i know when i used to report in africa, us aig were big l to report in africa, us aig were big donors, particularly in the darfur region of sudan, so traditionally they have had some leverage in sudan, but the soundings we have had from the president and from the state departments don't seem to be having any effect. what is the white house saying about that, even to get a cease—fire to get their people out? a cease-fire to get their people out? ,, ., , ., , a cease-fire to get their people out? ,, ., , .,, out? the state department has said, first of all, that — out? the state department has said, first of all, that although _ out? the state department has said, first of all, that although that - out? the state department has said, first of all, that although that us - first of all, th

barbara chase—riboud, welcome to hardtalk. thank you. sitting here at a major exhibition of your work called infinite folds, and you started your artistic training at the age of seven. how on earth did you know at that early age that you wanted to become an artist? i didn't know i wanted to be an artist. it was my mother and my grandmother who decided that i was going to have something to do with the arts. they weren't quite sure what. you were 16 and you were the youngest person to ever have a work acquired by moma, the museum of modern art in new york. it was reba, which was a woodcut print of a young girl with a plant next to her. and you have said that "success as a child came easily to me," and that "i grew up as a confident, curious child, "not willing to settle for anything but the best." were you always very ambitious from an early age? i wouldn't call it ambition. i didn't know what it was. i knew that i wanted to do something, you know, significant, but i had no idea what and i had no idea how. and i had no concept of the world

what happened was that barbara was extremely successful. she had attended harvard business school and she used objective based manager principles to find qualified women for high-level government roles and mid-level government roles by using talent based -- talent bank of women. it would also identify women for lower levels women's whose names we may not know but changed history all the same. female forest rangers, tugboat captains, and fbi agent. without the support from the president and from mrs. nixon and the two daughters behind-the-scenes, barbara told me she did not think the advances that were made as barriers that were broken for women could never have happened at that particular time in our country. that was all going on behind the scenes with this is nixon, julie eisenhower and tricia cox pushing for these things and supporting our bread and the other women in the west ring -- supporting barbara and the other women in the neck -- west wing. i wanted to comment on mrs. nixon and the east wing west wing operations. she was fully in

barbara, is there a sense amongst _ to say. barbara, is there a sense amongst any - to say.ers that this case could hurt his political future, that this case could hurt his politicalfuture, that that this case could hurt his political future, that it might affect his presidential ambitions?— affect his presidential ambitions? ., ambitions? no, quite the opposite- _ ambitions? no, quite the opposite- a _ ambitions? no, quite the opposite. a number- ambitions? no, quite the opposite. a number of i ambitions? no, quite the - opposite. a number of people said they miscalculated. i they, they mean the people who brought the case. they believe it's politically motivated. they think this is going to strengthen mr trump. they point to already the boost in his numbers. those are short—term, we don't know how that will play out. their belief is that this is actually going to be a benefit to him when it comes to his political campaign. certainly, the campaign is seeking to capitalise on it. it has already raised quite a lot of money, using the indictment. mr trump put of money, using t

that is barbara bush for the biography that i wrote of her. and i asked her if she ever considered not going to wellesley because of the controversy and she said no absolutely not if it never went through my mind. i was a little nervous but no never and by the way the same speech was also given at the university of pennsylvania during their commencement, but they're really wasn't that level of interest at that point, you know, that was one second. i had a teaching colleague who was in the audience in beijing when hillary clinton gave the speech and she said and you folks may remember this the location of that speech was moved. the day of the speech so that the news media couldn't cover it. and she recalled seeing news media being shunted away from even this secondary location. my third point too is because of my my work on betty ford betty ford also ends up saying some things that her husband could have never said. yeah, and i think she's a good example, too, but i i enjoyed all of your comments. i i think there are spot on and i i would welco

barbara, thank you. anna. take us _ this violence. barbara, thank you.- this violence. barbara, thank you. anna, take us through the latest i anna, take us through the latest european efforts, france is at the forefront but dutch are part of the airlift in the last 24 hours? absolutely come up right up until the last_ absolutely come up right up until the last few hours. we've had an update _ the last few hours. we've had an update from the foreign ministry here, _ update from the foreign ministry here, another dutch plane has departed, they are hoping for more flights— departed, they are hoping for more flights today. they say they're not sure how — flights today. they say they're not sure how long this evacuation window will stay— sure how long this evacuation window will stay open, that's the real concern — will stay open, that's the real concern here. in the early hours of this morning, hercules transport plane _ this morning, hercules transport utane left— this morning, hercules transport plane left sudan, evacuees from various— plane left sudan, ev

. >> reporter: barbara wilson spent most of her life in this apartment, where each day she makes timeread the bible. she'll turn 80 this year and can't wait to celebrate with her community in hayes valley. but for decades now, barbara and her neighbors have never lived close enough to an affordable grocery store they can easily walk to. >> we know we need a store in this community because it's going to drive this for many years. >> reporter: barbara worked regularly on this issue with other community members like jim to get a store in this space. and they say they were promised one when condos were approved to be built here. >> you're talking about hundreds and hundreds of families that live here. many of them are low income. and they really need an affordable grocery store. >> reporter: and people are already living up above. but no tenant is operating the market below. barbara says the construction of this building was a nuance for neighbors like her, but they said it would be worth it once the grocery store arrived. >> there will be a grocery store here one day. but how soon? we do

barbara let's go riaht to record that. barbara let's go right back _ to record that.ight back to basics _ to record that. barbara let's go right back to basics for - to record that. barbara let's go right back to basics for people | right back to basics for people watching all around the world. we got there over the hush payments but explain why this is so significant and important. tt is explain why this is so significant and important.— explain why this is so significant and important. it is it significant because this _ and important. it is it significant because this is _ and important. it is it significant because this is the _ and important. it is it significant because this is the first - and important. it is it significant because this is the first time - and important. it is it significant because this is the first time a l because this is the first time a former us president has ever been charged with criminal activity. it is also significant because he is running for president again. so it crosses a thundery or a threshold in us history and it also means th

with barbara first because she is there at mar—a—lago awaiting that speech, let's see if we have barbara on the line. ok. we don't have barbara at the moment, we're going to speak first of to our guests here in the studio. first of all, katty, what do you think we can expect after the remarkable process today.— expect after the remarkable process today. you never quite know what _ process today. you never quite know what donald _ process today. you never quite know what donald trump - process today. you never quite know what donald trump is - process today. you never quite i know what donald trump is going to come out and say when he decides to speak on these occasions. has lawyers will want him to not say anything that mightjeopardise his case but they have made it pretty clear that they don't think there is a valid case against there is a valid case against the former president, they think this is a politically motivated case by a democratic district attorney in new york who was looking for a crime to fit the bill of managing to charge donald trump and i suspect that is what donald tru

barbara, many thanks for joining us- _ barbara, many thanks forjoining us.eetjournal reporter evan gershkovich as �*wrongfully detained�* by russia. mr gershkovich was detained late last month. moscow has accused him of spying. a state department spokesperson said today that �*journalism is not �*a crime�*, and condemned the kremlin�*s actions. the united states is still seeking consular access to gershkovich, who has been detained since march 29 on espionage charges. staying in the us, and president biden has once again called on congress to ban assault—style weapons, following a mass shooting in louisville, kentucky. four people were shot dead and nine others were wounded after a man opened fire at a bank in the city. officials have identified the gunman as 23—year—old connor sturgeon, who died in a shoot—out with the police. kentucky�*s governor, andy beshear, knew one of the victims, and paid tribute to him at a press conference. today, i�*m hurt. and i�*m hurting. and i know so many people out there are as well. we lost four children of god today. one o

and barbara, “ust one more question _ plate. and barbara, just one more question before - plate.ust one more question before we letj plate. and barbara, just one - more question before we let you go. what are the been like the last two days there reporting from mar—a—lago? to last two days there reporting from mar-a-lago?_ last two days there reporting from mar-a-lago? to put it into mrtrump's_ from mar-a-lago? to put it into mr trump's words, _ from mar-a-lago? to put it into mr trump's words, it _ from mar-a-lago? to put it into mr trump's words, it has - from mar-a-lago? to put it into mr trump's words, it has been i from mar-a-lago? to put it into mr trump's words, it has been a | mr trump's words, it has been a little bit surreal because it was a weighty time and we had heard that he and his and rises were taken aback by the advisers, they hadn't expect it to happen now and they thought it was going to be happening much later so they were kind of taken aback by it and had to digest it, so to speak, but then they started to present it as this, part of their campaign that coul

. >> so barbara, one of th expeditious things that is now coming out as the wire fraud piece.t why this could b significant or a big part of this probe that the specia counsel now has into forme president, donald trump? >> yes you may remember during the january six hearings, we heard so lofgren the congresswoman from californi talk about this a little bit and one of the hearings. and this appears recently base on reports to have picked up some momentum in the jacks mit investigation. and this is based on fundraising that donald trum did it after the election an before january six for a defense election fund, on th basis of false claims of a stolen election. he raised money so wire frau is a federal crime the statute requires proof tha someone used a wir transmission, so could be in a melee website, as part of scheme to defraud others and so if it was based on a lie, based on a lie of a false frau and an election or based on ho they intended to use the money at the end of the day, the were raising money for something called the electio defense fund, which apparently did not ex

. >> reporter: barbara wilson spent most of her life in this apartment, where each day she makes time to read the bible. she'll turn 80 this year and can't wait to celebrate with the community in hayes valley. for decades now, barbara and her neighbors have never lived close enough to an affordable grocery store that they can easily walk to. >> we know we need a store in this community because it's been a dry desert for many, many years. >> reporter: barbara worked regularly with other committee members to get a store in this space. they say they were promised one when condos were >> we're talking about hundreds and hundreds of families that lived here. many of them are low income. and they really need an affordable grocery store. >> reporter: people are already living up above, but no tenants are operating the market down below. the construction of this building was a nuance for neighbors like her, but they said it would be worth it once the grocery store arrived. >> there will be a grocery store here one day. how soon? we don't know, but we're looking forward to one coming here. >>

but as barbara mentioned donald trump's tactics hav always been to delay and the appeal, and that roade run out. if that is the case, we have seen donald trump when he' back into the corner, there is absolutely no way that he will try to get pence on his side appease certain conciliatory and by the law and sit in front of a possible grand jury, but it is not that president trump will ever reac out an olive branch and anyway shape, or form that's not wh we is it's not who he's been, and we can't expect new behavior from a man who has no. shame >> barbara, put yourself in jack smith's position her for a second here with the lin of questioning that you woul want to go after mike pence, because as i mentioned generally speaking, obviousl mike pence has a lot of insigh into the thinking of donal trump from election day up until january the 6th. specifically, if you are the special counsel, what are yo probing at here? what are the questions that ar actually seeing mike pence t try and find, out specifically if a law was broken? >> well i would want to as mike pence about the conversations h

we'll find out at some point >> yeah, barbara, i mean, after taking the fifth 400 times back in august, i think, you know, the natural thought would be, well, how much is he going to talk about today, but his own statement, his lawyer's statement seemed to indicate maybe he is answering some questions. what do you think is going on in there? >> well, it's hard to say. what donald trump says publicly is likely to bear very little resemblance to what he says in the deposition under oath. and so i imagine that what the attorney general's office wants to do is make sure they have asked him every question they need to ask because they need to lock people into a story, and that is often the strategy of the prosecutor because what you don't want to happen is to have a trial down the road and he takes the stand and says things of recent fabrication that you never asked him about before, and say, well, you never asked me the truth is x, y, and z even if his m.o. today is simply to take the fifth or even to say something that's not true or something that minimizes his behavior, it's important to

today a push for the longtime bay area representative barbara lee.thered at the african american complex in san francisco this afternoon. the event was called united for barbara lee and included speakers from several nonprofits among those there was sf mayor london breed. >> people like barbara lee they look into the specifics of legislation. and they pick it apart so it does not disproportionately impact communities that tend to get the short end of the stick. and that's why we need barbara lee. >> congresswoman lee is running against fellow representatives adam schiff and katie porter for the seat. senator feinstein is set to retire next year. >>> the brooklyn fire department wants to bring more women in fire fighting. this weekend it's hosting the first in fire camp. camp teaches young women of the basics of the profession. that includes using hoses and ladders and giving medical aid and captain noticed some of the teachers this weekend used to be students themselves. >> it's a -- a job that is unknown till you are actually doing it or you know so

attorney, barbara mcquade. this is incredibly convoluted, everything that's taken plac over the last 24 hours and wha it all means if you, welcome start us off here and, what can you tell us about these rulings and what comes next when we are talking about the availability o mifepristone >> so, this is some of the consequential news when it comes to abortion access tha we have seen since the overturning of roe v. wade let's not forget, this came in essentially at the end of th business day on good friday. so that is some importan context to think about let me turn with the texas reeling, this is a case that we've been watching for months now. abortion rights advocates have been raising the alarm sounding the alarm for month saying that this could have massive impact the judge in this case did i fact decide with the plaintiff for the most part. let's take a step back and explain the basics of a lawsui here a group of antiabortion loss - in this case sued the fda, essentially saying that the fd did not adequately

bÁrbara lee es una representante popular . >> hay que pensar en el otro lado de la polÍtica.Ómo movilizar a la comunidad latina, afroamericana pero creo que a veces con los partidos republicanos y los candidatos republicanos quieren hacer cosas o se ponen en una plataforma que va en contra de lo que muchos californianos apoya, ahÍ tienen oportunidad pero no creo que puedan estar tan a la derecha como un republicano en otros estados. >> sabemos que experiencia es muy valiosa pero deberÍa existir una edad lÍmite para los polÍticos? ¿deberÍa existir tal ve la oportunidad para que polÍticos mÁs jÓvenes pueden ascender a una posiciÓn y no esperar a que una persona de 90 aÑos, sin desearle el mal a nadie cree que sea una posiciÓn tv para que pudieran existir o tal vez gestar cambios en la directiva? >> creo que es importante que pueda seguir postulÁndose en esas posiciones hace que deseen que no pueden seguir los votantes caminando. la senadora a sus 90 aÑos tal vez piensa que cree que puede seguir su posiciÓn pero vemos que con una enfermedad que le va a durar bastante tiempo para

barbara nichols police for help in trying to remove the giant animal from her small atrium, where itwas munching on her plan, so no police tried to frighten it off with the sound of a taser, not an actual, you know, they didn't taste it. okay but the moose totally unfazed big it is. that would be a little scary in your house. for says eventually the moose backed up just enough to be able to get out the back door, but not before his, barbara says. it took a salad to go, however, it's still lurked outside. casing the house refusing to vamoose. finally to another big story from the sunshine state. we gotta go with florida cross zilla has been caught on camera chilling in the sun in florida everglades national park. there it is. the croc is estimated to be about 14 ft. long £2000 and believed to be the biggest crocodile in the sunshine state . look at its mouth. look at those teeth, the belly my and the kayakers there. awfully close. i'm just saying, all right now, this croc may look fierce. but american crocodiles are actually quite timid even when it looks like they're being aggressive

barbara: we are.g crisis really gave the central banks an opportunity to reassess. they have muscle memory on what a systemic crisis looks like. the fed raised rates in his last meeting. we think this gives it an opportunity to slow down some of the hawkishness. we are only talking about 50 basis point hike to month ago. bailey did 25. you are's -- they only did 25. you are seeing really fun inflation. tom: jamie dimon, i will read the whole thing tonight over a beverage of my choice. he says maybe with svb we have some form of -- these are my words -- paradigm shift. how do you shift your equity investment given the shock we had systemically? barbara: the big rally off the bottom was to spaded on strongly by the international equity markets. developed international, europe, emerging markets were some of the big gainers off the bottom of the october low. what we saw in march is an important shift. the u.s. are performed the rest of the world, and pretty strongly. we think the 700 basis points of the i

justin jone will be my guest more on the saturday show, along wit california democrati congresswoman barbara lee, for whom he interned that's at 9:00 am eastern here on msnbc i will also see you again on sunday at 9:00 am eastern fo the sunday show. that is tonight's last word. thanks for watching. the 11th hour with stephanie ruhle starts now >> tonight, nationwide outrage is growing after two black members are expelled from th tennessee legislature, and how this moment is so much bigge than nashville then, that long-awaite abortion pill ruling from th texas judge is in. what it means for access acros the country and what comes next and our friday night cap i here with other major storie of the week, and they're mvps, as the 11th hour gets underway right now. good evening once again. i'm stephanie ruhle. it is friday and our nightcap is standing b to break down another historic newsweek so, don't go anywhere. but we are going to start this broadcast again back in th city of nashville, where two black state lawmakers were expelled from the tennesse legislature after peacefully protesting aga

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attorney barbara mcquade, so those are the two charges stated on these documents, barbara.hese charges mean >> they're both very serious charges. the first one, the espionage act charge is the most serious it brings with it a ten-year penalty. it makes it a crime for someone to willfully remove or transmit national defense information the other one is a five-year penalty. that is the one that makes it a crime to remove classified information. by charging both of these, it strikes me as a wise choice because strategically it will cover everything that he may have possessed and then shared some things are classified but don't relate to the national defense. some things are national defense but are not classified by charging both of these, they will cover the universe of everything that he might have shared these are steep penalties, up to 15 years in prison for this. of course a judge doesn't have to sentence someone that high if there are mitigating factors, but no doubt this is a serious crime. >> so we're talking about potentially hundreds of documents, right, and other re

. >>> the show of support in san francisco for long time representative barbara lee. gathering at the african- american art and culture complex this afternoon. an event called united for barbara lee. including speakers from several nonprofit. that mrs. kammerer was also on hand. >> this is how we come together and this is what barbara lee does . she builds bridges, not just the golden gate in the bay where you cross to come into these different neighborhoods, but she really truly builds bridges. with people. >> diana bakhtin also spoke at the event and congresswoman lee is running against fellow representatives for the seat permanently held by retired senator dianne feinstein. >>> taking you outside with a live look from a couple of our traffic cameras across the bay area. you can see a lot of sunshine and we are tracking changes ahead. meteorologist, rob mayeda. >> cooley it and breezy. you see the clouds in san francisco and more about tonight. a cool and breezy finish to the weekend, number 70s tomorrow. in the 60s any daily chance for showers could involve a sligh

barbara: mr. blinken mentioned that.rned about the wagoner group, these russian mercenaries who are active in sudan. he said that they would risk aggravating the conflict. he did not say how, but there are reports that they have offered weapons to the paramilitaries. >> thank you very much for that. the un security council is responsible for maintaining peace around the world, and the u.n. charter is designed to prevent wars. today, it's security council meeting was chaired by russia's foreign minister, sergey lavrov. it was a contentious session. . the u.n. secretary general took direct aim at russia, accusing the nation of inflicting great suffering through its invasion of ukraine. lavrov offered a counter argument, putting the blame on the west. the u.s. ambassador to the united nations was in the chamber as russians foreign minister was speaking. linda thomas-greenfield spoke to my colleague. >> ambassador, is -- it is great to have you with us. i want to ask about survey lavrov -- sergey lavrov's comments today. >>

barbara robbins. barbara was only 21 years old when she was over in saigon during, the vietnam war, a truck carrying explosives from the vietcong exploded in front of her at the us embassy and killed her. she is the youngest on our memorial wall and the first female officer die in the line of duty. president johnson sent her family a telegram, a condolence letter, and we now have that on display, along with a posthumous medal that was given to her family. they donated to us just this past year, thanks to her brother. we were able to get these artifacts and have them on display here at headquarters. so it's something we're very honored to have. we're glad we can show the sacrifice and the heroism of barbara robbins. so it's the story of barbara robbins, been known for a long time, was at a classified story or deaths of cia officers declassified over years on our memorial wall you'll notice that there are many names that are not actually in the book of honor and every year the director of cia looks at t

barbara robbins. barbara was only 21 years old when she was over in saigon during, the vietnam war, a truck carrying explosives from the vietcong exploded in front of her at the us embassy and killed her. she is the youngest on our memorial wall and the first female officer die in the line of duty. president johnson sent her family a telegram, a condolence letter, and we now have that on display, along with a posthumous medal that was given to her family. they donated to us just this past year, thanks to her brother. we were able to get these artifacts and have them on display here at headquarters. so it's something we're very honored to have. we're glad we can show the sacrifice and the heroism of barbara robbins. so it's the story of barbara robbins, been known for a long time, was at a classified story or deaths of cia officers declassified over years on our memorial wall you'll notice that there are many names that are not actually in the book of honor and every year the director of cia looks at t

the of diversity organizers say united for barbara lee's mission is to show multi cultural unity andwho write your election will be held next march. it's important that we stand here in san francisco and oakland and all over the bay area and up and down the state of california. >> to make it clear that barbara lee speaks for each and every one of us lee is one of 3 current democratic house members running for senator dianne feinstein's seat, including representatives katie porter and adam schiff, the big all kron 4 news. >> happening tomorrow, yosemite valley is set to reopen with limited services. this after a forecast of flooding because of snow melt from the winter storms. park rangers say rivers did not rise as much as expected. yosemite valley will open at 07:00am and close at 08:00pm for day use only it will fully reopen on monday morning at 7, the national park does warn, however, that rivers are running very high and are extremely dangerous. so they urged guests to not go in or even approached them. >> with that, we do want to seed things over to meteorologist rodriguez takin

here is such a santa barbara. here is such a santa barbara.e really have raised here many times. and we said, and i, frankly, i am amazed that the president comes to discuss military issues. yes, that is, so, along the way, i made such a number of conclusions that i have now voiced a significant part of them. we voiced here in this studio. we spoke, and to be honest, when we raised the issue that the border had been removed at the yes crossings. yes, they removed, like customs, but there are hundreds of cars standing there and i must say that i know perfectly well this bukov crossing through which the president was driving. i know, but it's literally every post there. i know what he looks like. i have to say that this is probably one of the quietest crossings and really has the least queues in other crossings. the situation is even worse, but some are not allowed here. some have tried to change the situation really change. she tried on the owe tried to change, but she didn't level out. she is not she did not succeed in removing it. and here, y

if you then barbara, is the nadia verified, he owns both the exporter and the importer. it's designed this way to enable him to launder money. the scheme to wash mister stanley's cash would involve putney receiving the dirty money, plus a 10 percent commission patent. he will silva gold him ports from zimbabwe and pay the proceeds into a due by bank account set up for mister stanley euclid for money. yes, the trash from home. from you to the boy? it for the while you took it to her? yes. mister stanley's dirty money in the form of us dollars, cash will be sent to zimbabwe, arriving in harry. it will be declared as the proceeds of gold exported by pat. nice company, susan general, trading with to the wall in the glacier. she said was rough. cuz bobby's wanting to buy it will be declared clean ins in bob white. and mr. stanley will have clean money in a dubai bank accounts. everything will appear legal. all that which is this is only somebody christian with the gold from zimbabwe will be sent to a do by refinery to be melted down. again. the balls will be stamped with the

attorney and an msnbc contributor barbara mcquade. barbara, great to see you again this morning we know some of what donald trump will be charged with today, about 30 counts or so what is the likelihood we will in the hours ahead learn about the entirety of the charges. will we get a full break down of all the accounts >> i think we will, jonathan, but typically the indictment is not unsealed until the arraignment occurs itself. i think around 2:15 or so we'll actually see that document typically what happens is the defendant is given a copy of it even an opportunity to have it read in open court most defendants waive that because they just want to get it over with. typically they just get a copo of it. but at that point it becomes a public document. it'll be filed in the public docket, i imagine we'll all see it at that time, and we'll be hearing a lot of analysis of what's in it >> so those in trump's team believe the former president won't even be in the courthouse for two full hours he thinks it may be less than that walk us throu