i think barbara bush saw in laura bush the qualities of a great political partner, a great spouse for her husband as he embarked on a political career. >> jenna is an nbc correspondent and they gave george and laura their first grandchild. as we close tonight, i want to say thank you to our guests for helping us understand more about the life and times and the still unfolding legacy of laura bush. thanks to both of you for being here and taking our calls and questions throughout the evening. we're going to close with some thoughts about the memories of the bush family. the president and their two daughters on their mother, first lady laura bush. thanks for being with us. >> i do not want to steal barbara's -- i feel like i always steal her energy when i go first. >> you go first this time. >> probably her work for women. all over, really. we were so lucky because our parents took us to travel to africa, so we got to see clinics and schools and meeting people whose lives will be forever changed. i would say her work for women. and my dad, too, i am very proud of him for that. >> i woul

it says a lot about him and about barbara bush. it's a place for family and friends to be together. that is the atrks of it. >> you can see by his body action and his words how important kennebunkport maine is to him. it's important to us. it is important to the entire network of the bush family now because the joys he gets of watching his grandchildren blossom into adults and to see the success of his family i think far exceeds any success he has had in his life, which in my mind far exceeds anything else my family has ever done. >> my husband is brave in our 65 years. there's no dark side, truthfully. sometimes he makes me sort of mad, but i have never been ashamed or embarrassed, and i have always been proud of him. >> george herbert walker bush met barbara pierce at a high school dance in 1941 a few weeks after the december 7th attack on pearl harbor. >> george asked someone there, you know the girl in the red and green dress. >> beautiful girl. >> he didn't say that. yeah, i grew up with her. go cut in on her. then you can bring her over to introduce me to her. they played a wa

do you suppose the press and the public would be much more willing to accept the grandmotherly barbara bush, who was very steely, as opposed to hillary clinton who was quite a bit more vulnerable? >> i am not sure i understand the question. hillary was furious that george bush reputedly had a gennifer, too. when i did an interview with hillary clinton, she interrupted and raised this issue that she had been sitting with the head of the atlanta newspaper and she brought this up. this woman said, why doesn't the media investigate george bush's gennifer? they are just going to circle the wagons because that is what the republicans do. she planted this in my tape recorder. barbara bush slammed back and said, how dare she talk about my husband that way. hillary had to eat humble pie and she was depicted on the cover of the new york post saying, well, shut my mouth. it was just before the new york primary. they arrived in albany. bill clinton had to step in front of a very rare appearance apologizing for hillary. he did it with a slight smile on his face. hillary was beside herself that they coul

>> everyone said, are you hillary clinton or barbara bush? id, i think i will be laura bush, having grown up as her. >> you have had the opportunity to see these first lady's talking about the role. what you hear is the desire of the part of the public to typecast, and their desire to be themselves. >> they will always be competitive, are you going to be a more traditional first lady like mamie eisenhower or an activist like eleanor roosevelt? which one will you be? i think they all put their unique stamp on the role, and laura bush was no exception. >> her memoir, you have talked along the way about what a guarded individual she was. when you read her memoir, was it more -- >> i was interested in hearing from her in her own words what she wants to reveal about who she is and what she reveals about what is important. i think one of the keys to understanding laura bush is that she is a reader. that is an integral part. the gentleman david who called in from provo and wanted to know about whether she was more empathetic. i think that she finds p

it says a lot about him and about barbara bush. you know, it is a place for family and friends to be together. and that is the attraction of it. that is what you feel when you're there. >> you can see by his body actions and his words how important kennebunkport is to them. how important it is to him, the joys he gets of watching his grandchildren blossom into adults. and to see the success of his family, i think far exceeds any success that he has had in his life, which in my mind far exceeds anything that anybody else in our family has done. >> my husband is great. we have been married 65 years. and there is no dark side. truthfully. someti sometimes he makes me sort of mad but i have never been ashamed or embarrassed about him. and i have always been proud of him. >> george herbert walker bush met barbara pierce after the december 7th attack on pearl harbor. >> and george asked someone there do you know the girl in the red and green dress. >> beautiful girl -- >> no, he didn't say that. he said yeah, george said go cut in on her

it says a lot about him and about barbara bush. you know, it is a place for family and friends to be together. and that is the attraction of it. that is what you feel when you're there. >> you can see by his body actions and his words how important kennebunkport is to them. how important it is to him, the joys he gets of watching his grandchildren blossom into adults. and to see the success of his family, i think far exceeds any success that he has had in his life, which in my mind far exceeds anything that anybody else in our family has done. >> my husband is great. we have been married 65 years. and there is no dark side. truthfully. someti sometimes he makes me sort of mad but i have never been ashamed or embarrassed about him. and i have always been proud of him. >> george herbert walker bush met barbara pierce after the december 7th attack on pearl harbor. >> and george asked someone there do you know the girl in the red and green dress. >> beautiful girl -- >> no, he didn't say that. he said yeah, george said go cut in on her

i think that barbara bush says she doesn't want a bush dynasty. it's too late. already have one. >> on to hollywood where the kids, the famous people somehow get good roles themselves. actor will smith puts his kidslw in movies. >> never let somebody tell you that you can't do something. >> yeah, well. it's easier to do something if your father arranges it for you. >> hollywood is a kind of a family industry. there are not just in the actinw professions, but in directing, in stage craft --ng >> acting alone, drew barrymore the daughter of john.rym jerry and ben stiller, angelina jolie's father is jon voigt. the sheen family is interesting. martin sheen, charlie sheen, emilio essives. martin apparently was originally estevez, changed it to sheen. but martin and charlie are more famous than emilio. soou nepotism is work for them. >> nepotism works in hollywood.e americans are not an envious people. that is the hallmark ofat i americans. we're perfectly fine with michael douglas becoming a movie actor because he's talented. maybe the movie stars' kids have their pa

everything from barbara bush advocating family literacy to lady bird johnson advocating beautification or what we would call conservation. cutt ladies have had projects and social advocacy issues that they have championed. of everye the cover magazine. they are in front of the media and they travel around the country. we have seen the expansion of the social advocacy and this project role. is robertguest watson, the author of "the presidents'wives." join ouruld like to conversation, the numbers are on your screen. i want to ask you technically about the office of the first lady. how much staff is there and what the budget is like? guest: good. the first lady that hired someone was john tyler second wife, julia, back in the 1840's. she was very young. one of the youngest in the history. she was only 24 when she married the widowed president. she was very elegant and popular. she was a hostess in the mold of dolly madison. her events were so well attended that she hired a journalist to come in and help her write catchy lines, something that she could say in a toast or a greeting. that wa

>> the reporter said are you hillary clinton or barbara bush? always just that i think i will be laura bush. i do laura bush pretty well having grown up as her. >> host: you have had the opportunity to host some of the sessions with the first ladies talking about the role and what you hear is the desire on the part of the public and the press to typecast and also the desire of the role to be their self despite the enormous pressure to be someone else. >> guest: i think they will always be compared. are you going to be a more traditional first lady or activist first lady like eleanor roosevelt? which one will you be and i think they'll put their unique stamp on the role. >> host: we have read a couple of times from laura bush's memoirs spoken from the heart. you have talked along the way that would have guarded individual she was. when you read her memoir did you learn any more about her than you knew from your reporting and biography? >> guest: was interesting hearing from her what she wants to reveal about who she is and what she really feels a

going to be quoted, say it loud and clear that they are not to be trusted and hillary said to barbara bushad some experience with that. >> in the white house, the clintons squared off in the press over the firing of white house travel employees. investigations into white house counsel vince foster's suicide. the list went on. >> the clinton's felt they were being attacked over health care, over this so-called scandal in whitematt whitewater and in fact they hadn't done anything wrong in whitewater but they certainly handled it badly. and once again, this battle of noncandor was established. >> reporter: especially for hillary clinton, who was more guarded than her husband. in january 1995, after two years in the white house, she told her friend that she did not know how history could be written on bill clinton's presidency with media reports being so long. diane blair wrote, she said there was hardly a news story that she couldn't totally refute. and our chief political analyst gore yeah borger is joining us now. we sort of looked there at hillary clinton, her days in arkansas, her time in

barbara bush again says she hopes jeb bush does not run for president. how serious is he about running in 2016? guest: i hope he considers it. i got into politics because of poppa bush way back when he was running for president. i am governor centric these days. i would like to think the next president of the united states and future presidents will have been president. it is one thing to participate in the legislative process, and another to lead complex organizations. he has a tremendous track record as governor and great appeal to nontraditional constituencies. i have been at conferences with jeb as secretary. he is fascinated with people's ability to have a conversation to you and english and be bilingual and have the conversation and the spanish community. we'll be good politics. i do not know where his head and artist. they will have to align. he respects his mom, but i hope he considers it. i think he would be a welcomed candidate in the 2016. before you worry about the messenger in 2016, you have got to figure out what our messages and we have go

>> barbara bush talked about it very candidly. and frankly help to clear away this dickman, much as mrs. ford did with alcohol and chemical ependency. i suspect pat nixon's life was probably not a laugh riot. >> louisa catherine adams, when er husband was going through impeachment, she was a reluctant warrior into politics. i think that was a very difficult and depressing time for her. >> when louisa lost an infant, her intellectual husband, acting utterly in character, responded by giving her a book on diseases of the mind. so if she wasn't depressed, she had every reason to be. remember, she discovered chocolate. she became a chocoholic, which afforded some relief at least. >> chocolate is a great thing. i'm curious who the panel thinks is the most intelligent first lady. i know mrs. obama is one of our most educated first ladies through the series, i now know nd i am oppressed with how smart lou hoover was an mrs. kennedy. who do you think is the brainiest? thank you, susan, and everyone at c-span, this has been a phenomenal se

i noticed that barbara bush and her husband really enjoyed laughing at themselves. they did a couple of commercials for baseball and other things with the dog. did they feel that the first ladies have been shown well enough and the libraries they have been to? also, if you can make it to the first ladies in canton, ohio, please do. thank you. >> along with the estonian -- the smithsonian, the museum in canton, ohio, has been very helpful. i want to stay with the first part of his call. bush first. do they feel that first ladies are well depicted? library was the first host of the american university conference on the roads because we went to texas because it is the only state with three presidential libraries. edith was there with us. it is a terrific program. i would say, yes, they are doing their part to help tell the story of first ladies. >> i would say depends on which presidential library you go to. there have been several libraries now modern residential couples that have redone and updated the segments on the .irst ladies as women's history has become more i

census all the performances and played in the blackest on what the bnp to music classes at the barbara bush school. for that mix a bit uneasy since he looks to have my ears. he said the study of viennese status not meets there. he also draws his inspiration from the paintings and life of mine seagull. for the next own life is full of prominent names as he has worked with celine deon be a gabrielle and george relevant. let's do a clue. the noble proportionate core. mostly they are vocalist in hopes someone posted a new moon which will go most of it for the with many of the status performers. he's very enjoyable and easy. working with celine deon was easy. he was a highly processed our collaboration. her entire team was made out of skilled experts including the sound engineers and lighting the stands peter gabrielle and georgia girl in our outstanding pop musicians and singers. i enjoyed working with them as well go to the people who become fearful mote that is suing you for someone to somalia through a dealer. the success of violence or the dentist and is not the only try of the musical dyna

say benjamin smith threatened to kill former president so that he could go out with his daughter barbara bush. police arrested smith in new york yesterday morning while he was sitting in a car with a loaded rifle, machete and a container of gasoline. the man's mother called police when she found a threatening note. >> this morning police are trying to figure out how razor blades got into packages of butter in new jersey. customers say they found the blades in kerrygold butter. the supermarket pulled the kerrygold from its stores. >>> nasa face a lawsuit this morning because of a recent discovery on the surface of mars. last week nasa released pictures after finding mysterious rock. a california man claims it's actually a living thing and he's suing the space agency for failing to investigate it. he calls it negligent nasa didn't take any close up photos. nasa believes it's just a rock that the rover turned up out of the ground. >>> a closely watched trial on a defamation trial on yelp. a jury found a virginia woman and d.c. contractor defamed each other. the contractor sudden for writing a on

eisenhower, barbara bush are first ladies who could have done more.clearly eleanor roosevelt stands out. abigail adams, dolly madison, really before the era of partisan politics took place as we know it today, but there is a small bias that we can perceive amongst these historians and political scientists. >> one other thing is that a lot of these first ladies on the top 10 list are within our lifetime beginning with jacqueline kennedy, hillary rosalynn, betty ford. is there another bias for contemporary first ladies? >> these first ladies are better known to all of our historians but they also had a much more wider and important role in the modern era than some of the early first ladies. still, it's north wotey to see some of the early first ladies, be a game adams, dolley madison clearly played important roles. martha washington makes the list. so we're not without the early first ladies, but many of the first ladies and some of the ones who fall in the bottom line during the civil war era with the notable exception of mary lincoln, are little known

you think john is a danger here of americans as barbara bush has pointed out getting tired of the clintons and the bushes yes i think there's a danger of that of course that there's less danger from the perspective of either of the candidates of jeb bush runs against hillary clinton they sort of cancel each other out that way terms of the. terms of the voter fatigue of the people be angry about it but somebody is going to win that race you know we talk a little bit before about the use of bill clinton is a as a surrogate on the trail it's something we really go into in depth in the book we talk about some of the possible republican candidates as well i think you know chris christie's recent troubles in new jersey may have opened up for jeb bush and i think jeb bush is a candidate that the clintons fear a little bit but is jeb bush's difficulty going to be amy the tea party if he wants to run the he's not going to get their support. i think that for a little part of it definitely i think they you know if they if they need to come to an agreement about what kind of candidate they want i thin

i think it is interesting barbara bush says she doesn't want a bush dynasty, it is too late.>> on to hollywood the kids of famous people get good roles himself. >> actor will smith put his kids in movies. >> don't ever let somebody tell you you can't do something. >> yeah, well, easier to do something if your father arranges it for you. >> hollywood is a kind of family industry. they are not just in the acting professions but in directing, in stage. >> acting alone. there are the dru bare -- drew barrymore, angelina jolie's father is jon voight. the sheen family is interesting. martin sheen, charlie sheen, emilio estevez. martin was originalliest vez changed it to sheen. martin and charlie are more famous than emilio. nepotism is working for them. >> nepotism works in hollywood. americans are not an envious people. that is the hallmark of america. we are fine with michael douglas becoming a movie actor because he's talented maybe the movie star kids have their parent's acting genes. >> maybe they really are good actors. >> the today show used to be a big deal job he had to ea

and hillary said to barbara bush, i've already had some experience with that. >> reporter: in the whiteer the firing of white house travel office employees. investigations into white house counsel vince foster's suicide. the list went on. >> the clintons felt like they were being attacked over health care, over this so-called scandal and whitewater and, in fact, they really hadn't done anything wrong. in whitewater, but they sure had handled it badly. once again, this pattern of noncandor was established. >> reporter: especially for hillary clinton, who was more guarded than her husband. in january, 1995, after two years in the white house, she told her friend that she did not know how history could be written on bill clinton's presidency with media reports being so wrong. diane blair wrote, "she said there was hardly a news story that she couldn't totally refute." brianna keilar, cnn, washington. >>> let's check in now with cnn's john king in washington for a look at what's coming up this morning on "inside politics." morning, john. >> good morning, guys. a lively conversation about th

2016 george's grandmother has recently taken on the role of family naysayer. >> your grandmother, barbara bushlking about other bushes but not the texas land commissioner and she clarified her statement after the fact was to say i think you would make -- my dad jeb bush would make a fantastic president but there are other great people. >> but she also said she hopes he doesn't run. >> as well as that. >> we would like to see a strong conservative voice rally together like my father. >> there's one side to running for downside now time away from his eight-month-old son prescott. >> how long will it be before he's out here? >> sooner than later. start them young. >> now one factor that bush will have to consider if or more likely when he decides to run for higher office is the fact that polls show the nation is still suffering from bush fatigue. one republican analyst who's following the bush family closely for years told me it could be another decade or more before that ceases to be a factor. charlie, norah, and gayle? >> all right, chip reid. i remember him at that convention. it's nigh to see

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>> now, governor bush also addressed comments that were made by his mother, former first lady barbara bushis. >> yeah, she promised me she wouldn't keep saying this. but she's 89 years old. if you have elderly parents or grandparents, you know that -- they speak their mind. >> all right, here with reaction. mayor rudy giuliani. what does this look like to you? >> to me like dreamland. i remember this place before i was mayor in, '92, '93, '94. >> i remember, porn, heshookers drug dealers. >> now disney behind us. >> crossroads of the world. where people come more often. the center. and, it's fabulous. you should have this set every night? >> you know what, i hope they're listening. i'm with you. we had a lot of fun down with joe theismann throwing the football. is jeb, does he have difficulty because his dad and brother were president? >> first let me say he is a remarkably well qualified. if you had asked me would i be comfortable with him as president of the united states. wow, yeah. i know him for a long, long time. everybody has difficulties. we could go through all ten candidates on e

everything from barbara bush advocating family literacy to lady bird johnson advocating beautification or what we would call conservation. cutt ladies have had projects and social advocacy issues that they have championed. of everye the cover magazine. they are in front of the media and they travel around the country. we have seen the expansion of the social advocacy and this project role. is robertguest watson, the author of "the presidents'wives." join ouruld like to conversation, the numbers are on your screen. i want to ask you technically about the office of the first lady. how much staff is there and what the budget is like? guest: good. the first lady that hired someone was john tyler second wife, julia, back in the 1840's. she was very young. one of the youngest in the history. she was only 24 when she married the widowed president. she was very elegant and popular. she was a hostess in the mold of dolly madison. her events were so well attended that she hired a journalist to come in and help her write catchy lines, something that she could say in a toast or a greeting. that wa

>> now, governor bush addressed comments made by his mother former first lady barbara bush who said sheon't keep saying this. but she's 89 years old if you have elderly parents you know they speak their minds. >> here with reaction is former new york city mayor, rudy giuliani. what does this look like to you? >> dreamland i remember this place before i was mayor in 91, 92, 93 filled with porn, drug dealers. >> now it's fabulous. it truly is the cross roads of the world thchl is the center. >> you should have this set every night. >> i hope you're listening and i'm with you. i'd love to do it. we had fun with the football. is jeb, does he have difficulties because his dad and brother were president? >> he's remarkably well qualified. if you had to ask me would i be comfortable with the president of the united states? yes. i known him a long, long time. everybody has difficulties. we can go through all ten candidates on each side they have pluses, minuses. >> i don't think there is one on democratic side she has some of the same problems the name, been around a long time. >> i mean jeb is

had gone wry viral, and i didn't expect it, but if it did, i was willing to donate $1,000 to the barbara bushd, maine. >> oh, you big softy. talk to me about pink. why was it pink that was chosen? >> well, i tell you what. the brothers at that i rode with, with the combat vets motorcycle association in bangor, had a bet if the patriots lost to the broncos, they were going to shave their heads. and it was minus 20 degrees down here in portland, and there was no way i was losing anymore hair. i said, i'll go ahead and dye the beard for them. and they wanted me to die it orange. for the broncos. >> that's a good look. >> huh? >> orange would be a good look. >> that's the broncos colors. >> that was the broncos' color and i really didn't want to wear a broncos' color. i would rather dye it pink. so -- and that's how i came to choose pink. it's just one of those colors, and it's kind of kitchcatchy. >> steve, are you sure it grows out? >> it's going to be quite a look when it grows out. >> this is going to be fantastic. right now i'm wearing a washable dye. >> okay. >> it comes off with just soap

>> barbara bush was 11th and her daughter in law laura bush was 12th and nancy reagan was 15th. >> 15thans that look back and try to make the determinations. as you say based on these various factors? a lot is so subjective. >> they had a separate set for ranking just the modern first ladies. on effectively managing family life in the white house, michelle obama won by a lot. she doubled up on jackie kennedy who got 22% for doing that. other categories like who had the best legacy and best service. eleanor roosevelt won, but hillary clinton was almost second in every category. that was interesting. one other is who can you most see as president and guess who won. hillary clinton. eleanor roosevelt had 39%. not a ranking of how much in each case abu , but 69%. >> the girls are in college, maybe it's time for me to -- harvard law grad. maybe she will run. >> she said she doesn't want to run for office, but she wants to do something. >> coming up, a very different subject. online dating always had critics out there, but the tide seems to be turning right now. taking a closer look at the su

barbara bush has said it is time for someone outside the bush family to run for national office.our, there are signs that her son, jeb, might be generally interested in a presidential bid in 2016. >> he has been a bit coy in the past. he has never said outwardly outride no. sources tell our john king he is making calls to republican movers and shakers asking questions that serious candidates ask. bush is speak at an event today in long island where presidents and candidates have spoken including his own father and brother. our national prit political reporter, peter hamby is here. >> could it be that bush is thinking, chris christie is not looking so terribly hot. is this a good time to strike while the iron is hot? >> that is certainly part of it. they are looking around for a different, quote, unquote, establishment, alternative. in republican politics, there is nobody who knows how hard it is to run for president of the united states more than jeb bush. his father did it, his brother did it. so this could be read as him doing due diligence. this doesn't mean he is going to run

. >> besides barbara bush, what other first ladies have you studied and have adapted their style or not adapted their style? >> you really do study all of the first ladies when you live there. you live with their decorating choices, their furniture, the effects of their lives at the white house. certainly, in times that are tough, like hours after september 11, you think about the other families and how they coped with what was happening then. certainly, lincoln is the one you think about the most, the worst time in our countries history, when brother fought against brother and mary todd lincoln was very unhappy. her brothers fought for the confederacy and she wished them dead and they did die. and then they lost a child while they lived there as well. you can imagine what it was like for her to have those tragedies and you knew what it was like for him as well. time when ourat a country was at war with itself. things that is comforting about living there with all of the history that you live with is that you see how we have overcome, in our country, the challenges that we face. you thi

i think the great thing about jeb bush, i just keep thinking about barbara bush and her comments, there. the reason i just think that comment so interesting is because that's how a lot of the public feels, too. they look at clintons and the bushes and say really? is that it? >> hold on. his mother's comment about not wanting jeb to run i don't think is quite prohibitive. i think it actually lets jeb bush say, ha-ha, i even have to convince my mom. second of all and more subtly, it underscores the fact this is not some sort of inside family deal to restore the bushes to power but there are in fact folks in the family who don't want this to happen. >> i've heard also over the last week that as this christie scandal has unfolded, that people on jeb's team have been quietly reaching out to donors, having these conversations that christie really isn't having right now. he's not doing as much as he should be perhaps to reach out and feel what's going on. >> the problem for jeb bush is that he of all people knows that actually running for president is not joyful. also think about this. we cove

you may not find that in the laura bush or barbara bush policies.ey were worried, she was worried that the cbo might, quote, screw them. this administration has gone through that. every administration goes through that. we've never had a candidate in the digital age who has everything about her. her husband administration and the records are available. she's never been a candidate we think we know so well, yet there's a huge resource of information that we may still learn things. >> a.b.? >> i think it's interesting what it reveals about the health care debate because it really goes through the tension with congress, the fact that you're not really going to keep your doctor or the fact that corporations are going to go up, not down. and it's interesting timing because this week she actually came out, which surprised me, earlier than i expected, early in 2014, before the midterm election when she's apparently going to be making a decision about the presidential run, to start bucking up president obama's health care law. i thought it was very interest

. >> this it is barbara bush's point. if it's clinton busch again how are you going forward?hing developments around hillary clinton, you know, i hope the message that they got from the '07 and '08 was we didn't do inevitability inevitably enough. >> that's pretty good. >> i spent time thinking about it. >> he's just riffing >> i didn't write this. what i mean by that is, democrats and americans want to see not that you can get a super pac to align with you and not that you can get big donors aligned with you, but do you have an american vision, a vision for how america fits into the world and what the role we want to see ourselves play. >> all right. >> at home and abroad. i think that's the reen onus on her. >> we're going to take a break. i've got an interesting conversation about the future of football coming up. coming up next here, the investigation into the bridge scandal. will new chajs by a one-time close christie ali be a game changer? i'll speak with a man leading the investigation. and the threat to the future of america's most popular sport on [ park sounds, soun

no first lady is a runway choice as for those who could have done more, but laura bush, barbara bush are all mentioned as first ladies who could have done more. clearly eleanor roosevelt stands out. a couple of the early first the era oflly before partisan politics took place as we know it today. a small bias that we can perceive amongst these historians and political scientists. >> one other thing is that a lot of these first ladies on the top 10 list are within our lifetime, beginning with jacqueline kennedy, michelle obama, hillary clinton, lady bird johnson, roselyn carter, betty ford. bias in thereer for contemporary first ladies? >> >> i think so. these first ladies are better known to historians. also, they had a much more wider and important role in the modern era that some of the early first ladies. it is noteworthy to see that abigail adams, dolly madison clearly played important roles. watch washington -- martha washington makes the list. many of the first ladies and some of the ones who fall in the bottom five during the civil war era, with the notable exception of mary l

no first lady is a runway choice as for those who could have done more, but laura bush, barbara bush are all mentioned as first ladies who could have done more. clearly eleanor roosevelt stands out. a couple of the early first ladies, really before the era of partisan politics took place as we know it today. there is a small bias that we can perceive amongst these historians and political scientists. >> one other thing is that a lot of these first ladies on the top 10 list are within our lifetime, beginning with jacqueline kennedy, michelle obama, hillary clinton, lady bird johnson, roselyn carter, betty ford. is there another bias in there for contemporary first ladies? >> i think so. these first ladies are certainly far better known to all of our historians. also, they had a much more wider and important role in the modern era that some of the early first ladies. it is noteworthy to see that abigail adams, dolly madison clearly played important roles. martha washington makes the list. many of the first ladies and some of the ones who fall in the bottom five during the civil war era