who is also, by the way, like barbara bush, a devoted reader. all of the bushes were voracious readers, but barbara bush and laura bush loved a good book. and barbara bush being a librarian knew the power of the book. books have a way of speaking to us in ways that other mediums simply don't. >> mark up the growth, how did you get in the presidential historian business? mark: it is a fair question. i had been on the business side, i had risen up through the ranks at time magazine on the business side for selling advertising space and i would go from the west coast to toronto to run the independent canadian operation initiative. but principally on the business side i had editorial. i oversaw editorial as part of my responsibilities. and then i went back to new york where my career had begun to be the publisher of newsweek. left newsweek for mtv, of all places, and it was not a particularly satisfying chapter in my career. and in order to just devote myself to something that i thought be more meaningful, began writing a book on presidents after the

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bush and barbara bush for 11 1/2 years. and that's what the book is about.owing them and getting to know them and getting to watch them, which inspired the title really. it's my witness box moment for 11 1/2 years of watching the way in which they lived their lives, lived with others, and treated others. and really i think really born of their true and ernest faith which carried them all the way to the end. which is, as you just pointed out, kaitlan, i was there for both of them as they died and was able to plan their funerals with them. but they were wonderful, dignified, decent, godly people. not perfect, quick to say, nobody is. that's my boss' job. but everybody around them, particularly the last several years, got to watch really them grow in their faith such that when it came to the end they were at peace and charity with everybody around them. >> you know, it's interesting, because presidents have to deal so much -- deal with so much when they're in office, with world affairs. so they have to make really tough decisions. but think, you can tell me if

bushesti had an incredible relationship with their secret service detail treated them like family barbara bushnging food leftovers from a party even to the point of telling the detaild that she wanted him to wear her husband's hat and mittens because it was cold outside very motherly attention and welcomed but when the clintons arrived they sure about these agents looking out for them and within the first few weeks us to really in the papers about hillary clinton throwing a lamp that her husband in an argument so after that it turns out these agents like the bushes better than us and we don't want them on the second floor of our house they downstairs spent the issue withhe the clintons and deference comes to a head during the starwh investigation with the question whether they will tell what they saw on the lewinsky matter had not occurred to me put in a position to play that role that your book in extraordinary detail is such a compelling story so let's get into the presidency obviously the kennedy assassination is what think peoplee think about and everything that happened on that day and af

. >> jimmy: you and barbara bush, i think. [ laughter ] >> well, she did a good job with her roots because saw them, so i'm impressed with her hair person. >> jimmy: you must be so psyched to be in that ferrari movie, right? >> it was great, a dream job. >> jimmy: you love car racing. that is really what you love more than anything. more than your family, even. >> no, no, no. they asked me that question last night, snuck it in, my boys. >> jimmy: they did? >> "do you love us more than racing?" >> jimmy: they did? >> i'm like, "of course i love you." they're like, "dad!" "i'm joking, i'm joking, i'm joking." i got their attention. my sons, you know, both of them are getting ready -- they're at that age they start to learn how to drive. >> jimmy: are you going to teach them? >> i have been, they've been driving, they're doing a great job. >> jimmy: do you tell them they're going too fast? >> all the time, constantly. "slow down." "dad, stop." >> jimmy: you can't say that to them. >> not when my behavior isn't really an example. >> jimmy: as a kacar lover drivg a ferrari, i guess there's no k

bushes had an incredible relationship with their secret service details, treated them like family, barbara bush always bringing in food from leftovers from the parties. even to the point of telling a detail leader for her husband she wanted him to wear her husband's hat because it was cold outside, very motherly attention and welcomed but when the clintons arrived, they were not so sure about these agents looking out for them and in the first few weeks the story leaked in the papers about hillary clinton throwing a lamp in an argument so after that, okay, turns out these agents like the bushes better than us and i don't want them on the second floor of our home, they need to stay downstairs. >> the issue of the secret service's relationship with the clintons handed deference and all that comes to a head during the star investigation when the question of whether the secret service will tell what they saw on the lewinsky matter, it hadn't occurred to me the secret service would be put in a position of having to play that kind of role, maybe i knew it at the time but forgot but your book's extraor

today, amy car she has served as the national chant for democracy interim chief of the george barbara bush foundation president of franklin pierce university acting dean of the bush school of government of public service at texas a&m university and senior roles under three u.s. president under george w. bush, secretary of transportation under george h. w. bush. and we have andrew s. natsios, a executive professor at the bush school at texas a&m university and director of the institute of national affairs. he has been a distinguished professor at the university of george brown. a veteran who served in the gulf war, u.s. special envoy to sudan during the door for crisis and now, go today they have edited and produced transforming our world. president h. w. bush and foreign policy. a collection of foreign policy essays from well-known practitioners who participated in the unfolding of international events as part of that bush administration. as we get going i want to make sure everyone knows we will have your audience questions right at the end of our program. if you have questions please sub

i think laura bush did not expect to be married to a politician and barbara bush was terrified of public speaking. and the way she developed -- i'm a communication person, so i really study a lot about what they do about their public speaking -- she would do slide shows when she would go back to texas. she would take her children all around all the monuments when he was in congress and she developed her public speaking skills from doing slide shows back in texas, so that she had a crutch and they weren't looking at her. lady bird johnson sabotaged being valedictorian of her high school graduating class. she purposely got a b in a class, so that she wouldn't be, so that she wouldn't have to give a speech. she took a public speaking course with a group of other senate wives, and that was how she got over it. and she was not excited when she married lyndon johnson. many of these women's came into this reluctantly and then saw, because they had a public service commitment, that this was something that was very important to the country and that they could make a real contribution. they overca

bush land. it's still gonna be maga, just with a different figurehead. >> very good point there. i'm skeptical like you at the desantis phenomenon. barbara, let me ask you this. elizabeth warren from massachusetts has been on the airwaves. today, she was on meet the press. she's got a piece in the new york times, she's been on twitter, and our message right now is, do not waste time in the slammed accession. don't even call it a lame duck session. there's a lot democrats can and should get done before the new year, especially removing that that ceiling, codifying roe, but of course, you still haven't mentioned sinema. how do you see this playing out as a former senator is off? >> i think she makes a good point. i served with five presidents. i've been in the majority, very happily, and in the minority, not happily. and since we still have the majority, in the house, and who knows, you know, i've got -- in my district where i'm waiting to see what happens. we don't know. but right now, until the new congress gets sworn in, she's right. let's get a lot done. do it. this president will sign. and you know, it does depend upon a couple of tou